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[zhixson]

ah, you think that all the outrage about the "scantly dressed ladies" that the twimblr likes to vent is gonna bring fanservice for everyone? it's only gonna bring fanservice for no one.

Yeah, probably. I was just hoping that evening the amount of fan service by adding rather than cutting/censoring would help keep my beloved exposed mammaric juggernautresses intact.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

I wouldn't call it outrage. I would call it disgust that they're marketing products which primary selling point is sexual content and that some people are content and happy that it includes minors.

I'm just calling it out as it is, you don't need to make an excuse or just slap a different number on her bio, just agree that you like underage cartoon gravure and be done with it.

Ahahah, are you for real ?

Ps : sorry for the reaction, but no, please, no. If you are going to troll at least try to be less caricatural, please.

 

[Kandrick]

I wouldn't call it outrage. I would call it disgust that they're marketing products which primary selling point is sexual content and that some people are content and happy that it includes minors.

I'm just calling it out as it is, you don't need to make an excuse or just slap a different number on her bio, just agree that you like underage cartoon gravure and be done with it.



Are you suggesting I have no idea what is included in a Senran Kagura game unless I play it? I have watched videos of it, you know. And it's not like there isn't games like Bon Appetite which are basically shallow spin-offs interspersed with food fetish scenes of the girls lying in giant deserts while only covered by whipped cream, because I know for a fact that is a thing in that brand.

I'm not an idiot, or misrepresenting the game, i'm just talking about a prominent aspect of it that I find really gross.

I don't know, the character in your avatar looks quite young too.. and the piece of art where it's from actually features nudity as in breasts and nipples too!

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Ahahah, are you for real ?

Man, the user admitted that didn't know that there was a character like Mirai when she has been in every single Senran Kagura game.

 

[cerulily]

You didn't knew what that character was...

SHE IS IN EVERY SINGLE GAME.

Not knowing every character does not mean I don't know anything about the game

I don't know, the character in your avatar looks quite young too.. and the piece of art where it's from actually features nudity as in breasts and nipples too!

You're absolutely correct, but there is a difference between media that has some sexy content and media that's made primarily for its sexy content..

 

[Producer]

Not knowing every character does not mean I don't know anything about the game.

It means you actually have never played the series, that tells alot.

 

[mollipen]

dress like a child

Japanese children don't dress like that, and that's not the intent behind the Gothic Lolita fashion trend.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Not knowing every character does not mean I don't know anything about the game.

She is a main character.

Japanese children don't dress like that, and that's not the intent behind the Gothic Lolita fashion trend.

This too.

 

[-Horizon-]

There's actually already a 1000 year old demon in DOA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_687Wm6CPxI

And thank god for that, probably my favorite character design in the game.

 

[Khrysler Jerikho]

I don't know, the character in your avatar looks quite young too.. and the piece of art where it's from actually features nudity as in breasts and nipples too!

Not DOA related, but wasn't it implied at the beginning of Diebuster that Nono (lady in avatar) was a minor?


This discussion kinda brought back that Taiwanese McDonalds store clerk for some reason for me...

 

[Banana Aeon]

I wonder what they'd have to adjust. As of DOA5 every character is over 18, even stupid Marie. It's hard to imagine it being that much more risqué than the other DOAX games.

I hope that it's more of a business adjustment, rather than a content adjustment.

If it's the latter, I can always import. I'll rather not, though.

Just make the game fun again. DoAX2 was so bad.

 

[Shig]

That's crap
Just because some people appear young, doesn't mean they are young. I pretty sure that's why many people bring ID with them to buy products or to get served in bars.

Honestly its your issue.
If you wanna view this computer game character as a child, that's nothing to do with me buddy.

Whether she *is* underage or just *looks* underage... Why are you so steadfast in your desire to play bikini dress up with a character that fits either classification? It's kind of a gross impulse in either case, regardless of whether a number has you covered on technicalities.

 

[system11]

Friend of mine has been running the change.org petition.

Sounds like that needs to be 'adjusted' to also request no 'adjustments'.

 

[cerulily]

It means you actually have never played the series, that tells alot.

What does it tell at all? Only that I haven't played the series or know it well enough to know all the characters.

The funny thing is, I was making a positive statement about the series until someone proved me wrong and confirmed there is a very young looking loli character. So I guess the joke is on me for trying to defend the series in the first place.

So what you're saying is, character's clothes coming off is NOT a large part of senran kagura?
Are you suggesting I can't watch a gameplay video of bon appetite (NSFW) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUL_7rTdRPk (NSFW!) and understand what kind of game it is? What nuance am I missing from this brand that makes it not gross to have a majorly underage loli character in it?

 

[lifa-cobex]

Man, I was getting ID'd well into my late twenties... I know all about looking younger than most would guess. However people being unsure if I was 18 or 23 isn't like if people were unsure if I were 18 or 13... If an adult gets ID'd because on top of just naturally looking younger, they're also wearing a child-like dree, have their hair tied in little ribbons and all their body language and mannerisms appear to have stalled since primary school, then there's a lot more than their natural body causing people to perceive them as a child. Marie Rose is all of those things in one... it's not coincidental. They could have given a larger more endowed character all of her other traits, but they didn't. Why? Because Helena prancing around all childlike, dressed as such would look ridiculous... the rest of her character doesn't look the part.

That means they must be trying to attract pedophiles.
Well point proven, case closed.

It really really doesn't matter. If you think it looks ridicules, out of character, strange body shape, face, hair etc etc it's completely down to your own perception.
It's fake.
It's not real.

Japanese culture has always been around this sort of thing. Honestly you could cry bloody murder till you were blue in the face but that is simply the way the character has been designed to look like.

 

[Jawmuncher]

If they just add male characters it's all good.

 

[YianGaruga]

You're absolutely correct, but there is a difference between media that has some sexy content and media that's made primarily for its sexy content..

really? Now we're getting kind of technical.
DOAX is still just sexy poses and swimsuits. It's not porn.

 

[BocoDragon]

Not knowing every character does not mean I don't know anything about the game



You're absolutely correct, but there is a difference between media that has some sexy content and media that's made primarily for its sexy content..

Who is drawing these lines? You? It really begs the question of where you got your criteria for acceptability from.

In my world it's okay to have content intended to titilate. You'll have to explain why sexualized content is wrong. It does NOT go without saying.

 

[Led_Zeppelin]

Well the thread when to shit really fast, again. Why are people so up in arms at what other people decides to admire/fap/fantasies/whatever and even more when we are talking about freaking polygons on a screen. Why are people so easily triggered about almost everything.

 

[AnkiRendan]

Hey Japan, Honoka better be in the top 10.

 

[cerulily]

Who is drawing these lines? You? It really begs the question of where you got your criteria for acceptability from.

In my world it's okay to have content intended to titilate. You'll have to explain why sexualized content is wrong. It does NOT go without saying.

You are aware that Hollywood movies and pornography exist, right? and that both of them have sex and nudity, but both of them are distinct from each other, yes? I don't have to create this distinction, it has existed for decades.

You are aware that creative intent is an actual thing that exists, yes? And that the debate about where the line is drawn between pornographic and artistic is a debate much older than my posts here in this thread.

Because it really seems like you are just grasping at straws to derail the conversation about animated children

You clearly know nothing of me if you think I am anti-sex, especially in games. 10 minutes in any of my streams and you would know I can be quite the pervy letch. I am not apologizing for drawing the line at children, however.

 

[Synth]

Japanese children don't dress like that, and that's not the intent behind the Gothic Lolita fashion trend.

I don't feel like going picture surfing... but I assume we are both well aware that the character has an extensive wardrobe of outfits by now, and they're generally rather unique compared to the rest of the cast. So even disregarding any individual outfit, the point still stands for her wardrobe in general.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

What does it tell at all? Only that I haven't played the series or know it well enough to know all the characters.

The funny thing is, I was making a positive statement about the series until someone proved me wrong and confirmed there is a very young looking loli character. So I guess the joke is on me for trying to defend the series in the first place.

Really?. because you were pretty fast to say "disgusting" and getting defensive to the point of saying "I watched a lot of videos".

 

[YianGaruga]

You are aware that Hollywood movies and pornography exist, right? and that both of them have sex and nudity, but both of them are distinct from each other, yes? I don't have to create this distinction, it has existed for decades.

You are aware that creative intent is an actual thing that exists, yes?

I'm not sure where you're going with this

 

[lifa-cobex]

Whether she *is* underage or just *looks* underage... Why are you so steadfast in your desire to play bikini dress up with a character that fits either classification? It's kind of a gross impulse in either case, regardless of whether a number has you covered on technicalities.

Snow ball effect.

I'm kinda sick of the outrage culture where everything is being over analysed.
We have it with the bro team FF15, MGS5 Quite, gender depiction in the witcher 3.

It just seems to go on an on.

 

[-Horizon-]

If they just add male characters it's all good.

More like this, Dead or Alive Xtreme. More like this.

Jaw pls

 

[Ryan_MSF]

Importing PS4 version day fucking one.

 

[BocoDragon]

You are aware that Hollywood movies and pornography exist, right? and that both of them have sex and nudity, but both of them are distinct from each other, yes? I don't have to create this distinction, it has existed for decades.

You are aware that creative intent is an actual thing that exists, yes? And that the debate about where the line is drawn between pornographic and artistic is a debate much older than my posts here in this thread.

Because it really seems like you are just grasping at straws to derail the conversation about animated children

You clearly know nothing of me if you think I am anti-sex, especially in games. 10 minutes in any of my streams and you would know I can be quite the pervy letch. I am not apologizing for drawing the line at children, however.

Its factually not pornography. There is no depiction of nudity or sexual acts.

It seems entirely reasonable for a game that is rated M for mature, to be purchased only by those who are actually interested in the content. No one will be forced to consume this entertainment without opting in.

 

[Ferrio]

Whether she *is* underage or just *looks* underage... Why are you so steadfast in your desire to play bikini dress up with a character that fits either classification? It's kind of a gross impulse in either case, regardless of whether a number has you covered on technicalities.

Does it really matter? So what if they do?

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

Whether she *is* underage or just *looks* underage... Why are you so steadfast in your desire to play bikini dress up with a character that fits either classification? It's kind of a gross impulse in either case, regardless of whether a number has you covered on technicalities.

Because you are not his psychologist and he is playing in his private time a digital game with a bunch of polygons.

 

[Eolz]

Well the thread when to shit really fast, again. Why are people so up in arms at what other people decides to admire/fap/fantasies/whatever and even more when we are talking about freaking polygons on a screen. Why are people so easily triggered about almost everything.

It's always the case for Marie Rose since she has been announced, and the other argument since *the movement thou shall not name*. Always the same arguments in every thread, it's just like those wanting Monster Hunter on home consoles with the argument that it'll sell millions. Ignoring those with poor arguments is the only way to have an interesting thread

Hey Japan, Honoka better be in the top 10.

Of course she will, she had ton of fanart and was already high in the popularity poll just for her "attributes" alone (wasn't revealed then).

edit:

Whether she *is* underage or just *looks* underage... Why are you so steadfast in your desire to play bikini dress up with a character that fits either classification? It's kind of a gross impulse in either case, regardless of whether a number has you covered on technicalities.

What if I just don't like censorship and wouldn't mind if there was an option to not use her, as long as everyone could if they wanted?

 

[RedEther]

Adjusted? I guess I'll be importing this game then

 

[NoKisum]

Wait, isn't there a Koei Tecmo rep here on NeoGAF? We should get them to clarify what "adjusted" means.

 

[system11]

Snow ball effect.

I'm kinda sick of the outrage culture where everything is being over analysed.
We have it with the bro team FF15, MGS5 Quite, gender depiction in the witcher 3.

It just seems to go on an on.

Seems like people should spend more time playing games and less time complaining about the ones they don't like really, doesn't it?

I actually do play DOA a lot, I spend time on FreeStepDodge, I watch a lot of DOA streams. And you know what? Nobody even cares what she looks like anymore, in fact compared to some of the other additions she's actually pretty decent with some unique footwork - a respectable entry on the roster. People mostly seem to dress her in the big floofy dresses. Some of the female players use her as their main. The only people who have a problem with this are people who don't like the game anyway.

 

[Tohsaka]

Whether she *is* underage or just *looks* underage... Why are you so steadfast in your desire to play bikini dress up with a character that fits either classification? It's kind of a gross impulse in either case, regardless of whether a number has you covered on technicalities.

Do you think the millions of people who look at porn of real 18 year olds in every country every day are gross too?

 

[cerulily]

Its factually not pornography. There is no depiction of nudity or sexual acts.

It seems entirely reasonable for a game that is rated M for mature, to be purchased only by those who are actually interested in the content. No one will be forced to consume this entertainment without opting in.

I didn't say this game was pornography, I was talking about the existence of the distinction that people were attributing to me actually existing far before my post here on gaf today. It is not some new debate, it has existed for a long long long time. I am using film vs porn as a representative example.

You're aware that any content created to be marketed for sexual appeal that features minors is illegal in most of the world, yes? It doesn't have to be straight up porn to fit that definition.

Again, I am sorry that I think it's gross to have children (fake or not) prancing around in string bikini's, as is in other DOAX games. How is that so controversial? if you slap an "18" on her bio, I am just going to roll my eyes. you know what it is, I know what it is. So why are people so steadfast in denying it?

 

[AlucardGV]

Adjusted for the west

 

[YianGaruga]

I didn't say this game was pornography, I was talking about the existence of the distinction that people were attributing to me actually existing far before my post here on gaf today. It is not some new debate, it has existed for a long long long time. I am using film vs porn as a representative example.

You're aware that any content created to be marketed for sexual appeal that features minors is illegal in most of the world, yes? It doesn't have to be straight up porn to fit that definition.

Again, I am sorry that I think it's gross to have children (fake or not) prancing around in string bikini's, as is in other DOAX games. How is that so controversial? if you slap an "18" on her bio, I am just going to roll my eyes. you know what it is, I know what it is. So why are people so steadfast in denying it?

We already have Marie Rose in a swimsuit and sexy poses in DOA5LR. I don't think the game is illegal last I checked

 

[Eolz]

Wait, isn't there a Koei Tecmo rep here on NeoGAF? We should get them to clarify what "adjusted" means.

I think there's one from KT America, but like most japanese companies, you won't get an answer on a complicated topic before a while.

 

[Hubb]

I disagree. The intention was to make Marie Rose look clearly like an underage girl. They plastered "18" into her bio last second to swat down any criticisms they knew they'd get. Not unlike 12 year old flat chested girls in anime doing sexy stuff but with the excuse that "she's actually a 300 year old demon".

Bullshit.

I like the sexiness in DoA but I hate Marie Rose. Give me more Honoka. She at least looks like an adult.

Honoka is Marie with breasts. They used the same face/model and everything.

 

[Shig]

That means they must be trying to attract pedophiles.
Well point proven, case closed.

It really really doesn't matter. If you think it looks ridicules, out of character, strange body shape, face, hair etc etc it's completely down to your own perception.
It's fake.
It's not real.

Japanese culture has always been around this sort of thing. Honestly you could cry bloody murder till you were blue in the face but that is simply the way the character has been designed to look like.

Japan has pretty big problems with real life exploitation of minors, too. But yeah, I'm sure the normalcy of fetishizing young fictional characters has no bearing whatsoever on perpetuating those tastes, none whatsoever.

 

[TheBaronOfNA]

I didn't say this game was pornography, I was talking about the distinction that people were attributing to me creating out of thin air actually existing far before my post here on gaf today. I am using a representative example.

You're aware that any content created to be marketed for sexual appeal that features minors is illegal in most of the world, yes? It doesn't have to be straight up porn to fit that definition.

Again, I am sorry that I think it's gross to have children (fake or not) prancing around in string bikini's, as is in other DOAX games. How is that so controversial?

I'm sorry but she is not a real person and the reason that law is in place is to stop child exploitation (a huge IRL problem) not just because "is making pedos". And nobody has any problem that you don't like her,

Japan has pretty big problems with real life exploitation of minors, too. But yeah, I'm sure the normalcy of fetishizing young fictional characters has no bearing whatsoever on perpetuating those tastes, none whatsoever.

Well, UNICEF truly was more interested in the spotlight of fetizhing while there were crazy loopholes in child pornography laws (like not getting arrested by possession) that were probably more concerning than a shitty manga about a loser shitty family relations.

 

[cerulily]

We already have Marie Rose in a swimsuit and sexy poses in DOA5LR. I don't think the game is illegal last I checked

It's not, as far as the government is concerned (so I don't get why people are so pissed that there is some sort of cultural censorship at foot). But that doesn't mean it's beyond criticism.

I'm sorry but she is not a real person and the reason that law is in place is to stop child exploitation (a huge IRL problem) not just because "is making pedos". And nobody has any problem that you don't like her,

There is plenty of commenters here who do seem to have a problem with that. "she is not a real person" is a bullshit excuse, it's still children of a kind.

 

[batrush]

Well the thread when to shit really fast, again. Why are people so up in arms at what other people decides to admire/fap/fantasies/whatever and even more when we are talking about freaking polygons on a screen. Why are people so easily triggered about almost everything.

Seriously.

 

[FlyingSaucer]

Man, the user admitted that didn't know that there was a character like Mirai when she has been in every single Senran Kagura game.

Yes. I suspect the user is either a clever troll who try to disrupt the thread in order to kill the conversation, or a fool with an irrational hatred for a franchise he know nothing about.

 

[BocoDragon]

I didn't say this game was pornography, I was talking about the distinction that people were attributing to me creating out of thin air actually existing far before my post here on gaf today. I am using a representative example.

You're aware that any content created to be marketed for sexual appeal that features minors is illegal in most of the world, yes? It doesn't have to be straight up porn to fit that definition.

Again, I am sorry that I think it's gross to have children (fake or not) prancing around in string bikini's, as is in other DOAX games. How is that so controversial?

It's not illegal though. Beauty pageants happen in plain sight. Soft-core gravure doesn't even get pulled from YouTube.

Totally cool to be disgusted and all that. Just as I understand those who are disgusted with the murder in most videogames.

You're free to criticize it and not buy it.

 

[Kandrick]

Adjusted for the west

 

[Platy]

I love how everyone automatically assume it is clothing, when, knowing Team Ninja would probably mean more like gameplay changes and increase in breast size =P

 

[cerulily]

Yes. I suspect the user is either a clever troll who try to disrupt the thread in order to kill the conversation, or a fool with an irrational hatred for a franchise he know nothing about.

What "conversation"? I'm trying to have a conversation, but people seem to demand that I have an encyclopedic knowledge of senran kagura in order to think lolicon characters are gross.

 

[Peltz]

I'm "adjusting" myself right now in anticipation.

(Sorry I'll see my way out now).