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Death Battle - Batman VS Captain America
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Screaming Meat
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Has Batman ever fought anyone comparable to the Captain (apart from the crossover)?
PhoncipleBone
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Deathstroke.
……forgetit
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Well super power beat down is fan voted, whoever is more popular wins. Death Battle uses "science."
Manmademan
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Prometheus dismantled him in H2H also. That dude had no superhuman stats, but did have the skills of DCs top 12 martial artists, one of which was batman.
IIRC Prometheus also did the same to Shiva, making her look like an amateur.
gutter_trash
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Cap is enhanced human, while Bats is just athletic human
Cap wins
Cap wins
That usually goes poorly for him
He tanked temporal acid,
Manmademan
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I always found this one more impressive:
The infection had nulled out the Super soldier serum at that point. Cap was no better than human there.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
He tranes ufc, bro.
Well you got the hugely disproportionate power levels right.
im suprised there hasnt been a prometheus vs taskmaster battle yet.
Escape Goat
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Is that a gay joke or...? He was going to rescue Damian's body.
And I remember someone at DC saying Batman will always be 32. He'll always be drawn like hes 32. But with Nu52 I think everybody's a few years younger.
Manmademan
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Taskmaster tears that guy apart with little effort, come on now.
true, but the hoop jumping for those defending prometheus would be worth it
It was the fake Prometheus all along.
Manmademan
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oh man. talk about nerfed to shit.
What did prometheus do to piss off ollie that badly
Blew up star city, cut off Roy Harper's arm, and killed Roy's daughter.
The fallout lead to that drugged out Roy Harper page where he beats people to death with a dead cat.
With "the Winner beaing clear" hand to hand I was referring to Cap
Manmademan
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With "the Winner beaing clear" hand to hand I was referring to Cap
And with "it isn't" I was referring to the phrase "the way he killed cap in the video is plausible".
It's not. Cap's damage soak is far too high for that fight to turn out that way.
edit: there's a lot of things I could post to prove that, but scrolling up a few posts to "cap carves out a square foot of his own chest with no powers, then single handedly beats the hell out of an army of super mutants mere hours later" is probably sufficient.
Stood in the way of Justice, they cried for Justice.
Taskmaster took that time to study Ghostrider and Madcap. Madcap!!!
Stood in the way of Justice, they cried for Justice.
Taskmaster took that time to study Ghostrider and Madcap. Madcap!!!
i wasnt aware that ghost rider had any real hand to hand skill to imitate
Probably nothign worth writing about, but he probably picked thing or 2 for handing a chain.
If we're counting with a Batman that kills, we're counting with a Batman that will use any crazy weapon. It's the surprise factor what counts here.
Schweinehund
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Dick Grayson
FE Spoilers:
Batman thinks Lex killed Dick, so Batman loses his mind and almost chokes luthor to death, then Lex ressurects Dick, during all this Lex pickpockets batman.
Escape Goat
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Ohh, I did not read that one. I was referencing an issue or two ago. I may have tuned out during that crossover because I dont remember anything like that.
Manmademan
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Batman doesn't walk around with "any crazy weapon", only his utility belt. If you want to have Bruce run back to the batcave and search his closet, Steve drops a fully equipped SHIELD helicarrier on him. A "lets see who has more resources" fight does not go well for Batman. SHIELD is simply too OP- lest we forget, they've got a blank check from the US government to manufacture an endless supply of mutant killing sentinels and Life Model Decoys totally indistinguishable from real people.
Out of what's typically on that utility belt, nothing batman has gets past that shield. It's not just durable, whatever it's made of (vibranium/steel/uru/mystery substance) nulls out energy AND nulls out force. The video also has him throwing it randomly into the end of a dark alley at...nothing at all and disarming himself, which is so mind bogglingly out of character it's a mystery why it's in the video.
Steve is also substantially faster than batman is and can casually dodge batarangs all day every day. in a H2H fight Bruce gets dominated, and badly. Winter Soldier is peak human (with a superhuman arm) and roughly estimates steve rogers is three times stronger, faster, and more durable than he is. Cable said the same thing, tossing "endurance" on top of that, and cable has cybernetic enhancements. Batman fighting someone TRIPLE his physical abilities with more experience is akin to a third grader trying to outfight the captain of the high school football team.
Here's a recap:
Issues 1-4: Lex Luthor has a new solo title!
Issues 5-7:
Batman: I need your help, but we do things my way!!!!
Villains: *laughs*
Oh, and the Crime Syndicate gets demolished in short order.
Escape Goat
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Oh, so is
Dick dead? I know his identity got exposed so I assumed he got better and is laying low somewhere
Can Kingpin run a 3 minute mile? Cap is suppose to be as strong, as fast, etc as a human could possibly be, before being considered superhuman.
Manmademan
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Peak human is a phrase that kind of got made up by people writing the old marvel handbooks. it's not an official designation.
Generally it means you're at the strength limit of someone who works out constantly with intensive exercise, or an elite athlete. Batman would be somewhere around here- able to compete with the best pro athletes in a variety of areas.
Kingpin might be in the strength area, but definitely not when we're talking speed.
Cap is well past both of these, with routine demonstrations of strength and speed that are at minimum double to triple that of the best athletes that have ever lived. Cap can sustain 60mph speeds on foot while carrying others, jump out of helicopters sans parachute while breaking the concrete on landing, bench 1500 pounds while training, and has carried around trees, telephone poles, and steel I-beams on one shoulder.
He's enhanced by the super soldier serum, but marvel has declined to say just how strong he is because editorial gets a lot of mileage out of Cap exceeding expectations.
Whether Batman wins or not depends a lot on prep time. If Batman has the prep time he could win like any fight.
Captain America wins hands down if they are riding in the batmobile: http://youtu.be/d-O_RzwrZPw?t=22m50s
People always say that to make Batman sound impressive. It does the opposite. A normal person can solve a lot of shit with unlimited freetime and billions of dollars.
Manmademan
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The prep time argument tends to rely on batman's opponents doing nothing and scratching their ass while Bruce looks up everything about them on wikipedia.
Are we to assume Cap doesn't get prep time? or does nothing with it? Infinity established Captain America to be one of if not THE best combat strategists in the galaxy, even better than the Kree Supreme intelligence- and he has the full resources of SHIELD backing him up. Cap, it should be emphasized is not a lone vigilante but a commissioned officer of the planet's most powerful defense organization.
Also. No one else gets the preptime clause. Reed Richards has beat Galactus with prep time, but no one is suggesting he wins all these one-on-one fights.
Yup. This is why I always find these discussions amusing.
Anyone with a passing comic-based knowledge of either character knows that Cap only looks 'normal' when compared to some of the other Avengers and 'Batgod' only exists in team books because most writers are too poor to handle Batman in that context.
Not to mention Batman live in a universe where damn near everyone has an specific but easily to use weakness.
In big events, they often come up with some subplot for Batman to handle while Superman and Green Lantern smash dudes across the galaxy.
While I didn't say anything about it being impressive, Batman's intellect is kinda a big necessity in how effective he makes prep time. If you're a normal person having time and billions of dollars won't mean much if you don't have the intellect to make proper use of them. Batman would like get a DNA sample and reverse engineer the super soldier serum and make some for himself or make an antidote or something.
Anyway, the point was to post the video. Watch the video.
And even preptime feats are not that impressive. I mean Pym wrote a computer that eventually evolve to a new form of life while pretty much having a gun held to his head. Reed had only an hours notice and he created a room that was impossible to cross. Spiderman created a suit that warps light and sound almost on the fly.
Smarter men then Bruce have tempted to decipher the SSS but they have mostly fail.
batman wouldn't try to kill him. Batman would try to make him kill himself.
Manmademan
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The greatest minds of the marvel universe have NEVER been able to replicate the super soldier serum, and you expect batman to do so with a DNA scan?
Please, tell me more about how Batman is a better scientist than Reed Richards and Dr. Doom.
LumpOfCole
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Batman has way more plot armor than Captain America
Funny enough they faced similar ordeals. Omnipotent Korvac tried to break Captain America, Omnipotent Joker tried to break Batman. Batman broke like a bitch. He had to mindwiped or he would have been useless. On the other hand Korvac gave up because he could not get Cap to quit fighting the good fight after thousands of tries.
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