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[Piku_Ringo]

Coolers revenger is non cannon. And the laser thing in Resurrection F is beyond stupid and inconsistent given Goku's past feats.

No shit. As well as him being put in critical condition for half a movie run time due to being hit with one in the back, is just as beyond stupid and inconsistent canon or not. Regardless, that's the gag. Laser > Goku.

 

[Manmademan]

Who is Gog for 5 thousand Alex?

the outright comedy of a panel of superman being taken out by Gog as proof of a "low end showing" is just....I can't.

 

[Slayven]

the outright comedy of a panel of superman being taken out by Gog as proof of a "low end showing" is just....I can't.

Come on it is right on the cover

 

[ReiGun]

It should be noted that Geoff Johns era Green Lanterns are like Iron Man level characters. The nerf bat hit the power ring HARD.

Except for Kyle Rayner da gawd living in dat white light.

For reference, each of the guardians of the universe is as powerful as the entire GL Corps.

Kyle floored a whole room of them.

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

Him having SSJ3 doesn't matter if he wasn't actually IN SSJ3 form. Vegeta was able to knocked him out when his guard was down because they where both pretty much dead even power wise in SSJ2 form.

Someone weaker hitting him at that moment wouldn't have had the same effect.

There're plenty of other instances such as Fat Buu gets knocked around by SSJ Kid Trunks surprise attack and also with Freeza getting knocked pretty far by Piccolo in his 4th form after he was already drained from giving energy to the spirit bomb.

The fact is if your guard is down almost anything can take you out if you're not prepared for it, especially if it's aimed at a vital organ.

 

[Stage On]

LOL. do you know who that is standing over superman

Gog. But the point is that Superman was knocked out by a blast that wasn't even strong enough to blow up the entire city.

The idea he goes around regularly tanking stuff that can blows up entire solar systems is greatly exaggerated since he get's koed by far far lesser force all the time in the comics.

Here a gas station exploding is enough to knock Superman out

Of course the gas station exploding being enough to actually knock a non depowered Superman out is about as silly as as the henchman's laser actually being able to hurt Goku

 

[Imperial Bishop]

The Daizenshuu confirms that Cell is a solar system buster.

Actual feats have always trumped baseless claims. It's a faulty fallacy to assume a character can do this or that without any prior action or similar feat to back up the claim.

For example, if we saw another character destroy a solar system before the Cell Saga or if we saw some cutaway visualization showing Cell blow up a solar system when he made that statement, then it wouldn't be as questionable.

 

[Manmademan]

Gog. But the point is that Superman was knocked out by a blast that wasn't even strong enough to blow up the entire city.

dude. Let me remind you of who Gog is.

wenty years after the events of Kingdom Come, a survivor of the Kansas disaster is granted power by the Quintessence (Shazam, Ganthet, Zeus, Izaya Highfather, and the Phantom Stranger), who dub him Gog. The power drives him mad, and he takes out his anger on Superman, killing him and carving his "S" shield on the ground.

Gog has power granted by all five members of the quintessence. Superman has a magical weakness. Any ONE of those would beat the unholy hell out of him without trying. The only reason the city is still standing is because Gog didn't feel like knocking it down.

No one that actually read that story would have posted that scan, because it defeats the very argument you're trying to make.

edit: as for the gas station incident, you know he was fighting Doomsday in the middle of that, right? something tells me that had more than a little to do with it.

 

[Slayven]

hell they ever defined the Phantom Stranger

 

[Ecotic]

I want to see Goku wish for immortality and then have a rematch.

 

[Zolo]

edit: as for the gas station incident, you know he was fighting Doomsday in the middle of that, right? something tells me that had more than a little to do with it.

If Superman can tank a supernova, then why would he even be concerned about a gas station explosion (Pretty sure the others have tanked worse too.)?

 

[killatopak]

Didn't supes get knocked out by a truck or bus being smashed into him or something? How is that supernova tanking?

 

[Manmademan]

If Superman can tank a supernova, then why would he even be concerned about a gas station explosion (Pretty sure the others have tanked worse too.)?

That version of superman wasn't strong enough to tank supernovas. (edit: superman was "rebooted" and powered way down after crisis on infinite earths in 1986-1987). THAT superman was killed by doomsday later in the arc (death of superman was a few years later in 1992), because doomsday was so difficult to fight he drained himself entirely trying to stop him.

It was in later arcs that you find superman getting back to pulling off some of the feats he was doing pre-crisis.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

I want to see Goku wish for immortality and then have a rematch.

Won't stop Supes from throwing him into a black hole. Or worse, the Source Wall.

 

[GravityInsanity]

I want to see Goku wish for immortality and then have a rematch.

If that was the case then Vegeta would've had that wish a long time ago!

 

[Parallax]

I want to see Goku wish for immortality and then have a rematch.

hed end up getting stuck in the source wall somehow

 

[Chaotic-Strike]

Actual feats have always trumped baseless claims. It's a faulty fallacy to assume a character can do this or that without any prior action or similar feat to back up the claim.

For example, if we saw another character destroy a solar system before the Cell Saga or if we saw some cutaway visualization showing Cell blow up a solar system when he made that statement, then it wouldn't be as questionable.

The Daizenshuu isn't some "baseless" speculation though. They are about as close to official as you get outside of AT saying it himself.

Herms from Kanzenshuu explained it better than I ever could, so I'll just post it here.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=29406

Joking aside, they’re official guidebooks published by Shueisha. Toriyama gave them his full approval and contributed various things like cover illustrations, a series of interviews, a series of short comic strips detailing his daily life now that DB’s serialization was finished, “character secrets” and other in-universe stuff, etc. There’s also interviews with Toriyama’s editors, anime staff like Takao Koyama, the voice artists, etc. There’s an awful lot about the making of the series that we only know about because of those guides.

They also feature lots of pretty pictures.

As for in-universe stuff, besides the whole “approved by Toriyama” spiel, various things introduced in the daizenshuu turn up in later guides and other supplemental material. The map of the DB cosmos Toriyama created for it has been reprinted many times and even used in one of the Kai title cards, and the map of the DB Earth has formed the basis for world maps in numerous DB games. The timeline’s likewise been reprinted a bunch, and the dates it assigns the events of the series are featured in DB Online, Heroes, and now Xenoverse. The battle powers for characters like Super Saiyan Goku introduced in Daizenshuu 7 turn up in everything from video games to T-shirts. The “Tenshinhan is descended from aliens” thing is still kicked around, getting mentioned in the Dragon Box booklets and the Sparking! games. Part of the revisions made for the Kanzenban editions of the manga include changing Vegeta’s battle power against Recoom to match what Daizenshuu 7 said it was, and changing the date Cell announces for the Cell Games to match what the Daizenshuu 7 timeline said.

So long story short, love them or loathe them, they’re valuable sources of real world information on the series, and much of the in-universe material they introduce has had considerable staying power. Shueisha even saw fit to create those updated “chouzenshuu” versions of them to go along with the release of BoG. Arguably just sheer laziness on their part, but I think it just goes to show how all the guides that had been released following the daizenshuu mostly just felt like less impressive versions of them. 

 

[Stage On]

dude. Let me remind you of who Gog is.



Gog has power granted by all five members of the quintessence. Superman has a magical weakness. Any ONE of those would beat the unholy hell out of him without trying. The only reason the city is still standing is because Gog didn't feel like knocking it down.

No one that actually read that story would have posted that scan, because it defeats the very argument you're trying to make.

*raises eyebrow* Any one of those? I seem to remember Superman going toe to toe with Shazam before and doing just fine most of the time. Of course Shazam's has managed to knock him out with a sucker punch.

It's been a while since I read that Gog storyline. I mostly remember Superman punking him at the end and the more recent encounter from Superman/Wonderwoman where they beat Gog pretty easily.

Of course that's new 52 gog so he's a different character, but there is way way more superman material then dragon ball so it's harder to keep it all straight.

Someday's Superman flying into a moon is enough to knock him out.

Other days he just cleaves a moon in two like it's nothing.

 

[Manmademan]

*raises eyebrow* Any one of those? I seem to remember Superman going toe to toe with Shazam before and doing just fine most of the time. Of course Shazam's has managed to knock him out with a sucker punch.

In this thread we find out who doesn't know the difference between the wizard Shazam and Captain Marvel.

This is especially odd given that Captain Marvel being killed in Kingdom Come was kiiiiiiiinda a plot point that was tough to miss.

 

[Hikari_Ryu]

What about that time Catwoman saved all the Justice League including superman

Seems I wasn't clear with my argument:

1) In order for a good guy to win, the story needs to be worked so they can use their abilities to defeat the bad guy.
2) Superman works different than any other good guy, because his abilities can be written in a way that they can adapt to defeat anything he faces, not the other way around.
3) The only reason Superman isn't the one that saves everyone all the time is because you can't sell batman comics if anytime anyone is going to kill him, Superman appears and punches the bad guy.

Of course you're going to have other people saving the day in various stories, but superman is the only one that can beat any obstacle, instead of just select ones.

I will admit that if there's something that superman can't do, is running as fast as flash, but that's about it.

When I said that about the last DC Story, do you really think that even if every other hero does something to help saving the world, the one that will save everything in the end is not superman? I mean, for me that is as like not having the main character defeating the last bad guy in any story, be it a book, movie, manga, etc.

 

[……forgetit]

*raises eyebrow* Any one of those? I seem to remember Superman going toe to toe with Shazam before and doing just fine most of the time. Of course Shazam's has managed to knock him out with a sucker punch.

It's been a while since I read that Gog storyline. I mostly remember Superman punking him at the end and the more recent encounter from Superman/Wonderwoman where they beat Gog pretty easily.

Of course that's new 52 gog so he's a different character, but there is way way more superman material then dragon ball so it's harder to keep it all straight.

Someday's Superman flying into a moon is enough to knock him out.

Other days he just cleaves a moon in two like it's nothing.

Not that Shazam, this Shazam

 

[Ishida]

Actual feats have always trumped baseless claims. It's a faulty fallacy to assume a character can do this or that without any prior action or similar feat to back up the claim..

Isn't Daizenshuu pretty much "word of god"?

Word of god statements override seen "feats" or events. So if the Daizenshuu or Akira Toriyama himself state that Cell is a Solar System buster, then he is, regardless of what we actually see him doing on the manga or Anime.

 

[Toxi]

I gotta laugh at all these people saying "Superman is boring because he's so overpowered."

And Goku isn't?

They can both blow up a planet with a flex of their gonads and they both face challenges and foes appropriate to their powers.

 

[Hikari_Ryu]

Isn't Daizenshuu pretty much "word of god"?

Word of god statements override seen "feats" or events. So if the Daizenshuu or Akira Toriyama himself state that Cell is a Solar System buster, then he is, regardless of what we actually see him doing on the manga or Anime.

The problem with DB feats is that no one of the good guys can fight in space, so fights are restricted to fighting inside a world. With the earth being so small and fragile, and also the good guys not wanting to have people die when they fight, the series has very little chance of having showings just how much they can destroy in one move.

 

[ryūkotsusei]

the outright comedy of a panel of superman being taken out by Gog as proof of a "low end showing" is just....I can't.

I'm guessing the image came from here.

Yeesh.

 

[Welfare]

Actually, I'm still not convinced Post Crisis beats Toei/Anime continuity of Goku, given fillers add some cosmic feats in DB.

Anime Dragon Ball is amazingly stupid when it comes to inflating characters feats and stats.

Goku and Frieza were FTL in the Namek arc, Kid Buu is way stronger than what he is in the manga, and Yamcha. Fucking Yamcha.

Alright, so you know Pikkon, that dude that embarrassed Frieza and Super Perfect Cell? You know, the Cell that SSJ2 Gohan just killed. He fought against Olibu in that Otherworld tournament, and Olibu was basically on par with Pikkon, and only lost due to a ring out. Yamcha went to Otherworld and fought not just Olibu, but another fighter at the same time, and was winning. In fact, neither of them even landed a blow on Yamcha. What the fuck is that?

 

[Manmademan]

I'm guessing the image is from here.

Yeesh.

Comedy Gold

 

[Shamrock7r]

Won't stop Supes from throwing him into a black hole. Or worse, the Source Wall.

A big difference between the two. Superman would find and inventive way to win as he has. Goku would be considered Solomon Grundy levels of stupid in the DC universe

 

[Hikari_Ryu]

I gotta laugh at all these people saying "Superman is boring because he's so overpowered."

And Goku isn't?

They can both blow up a planet with a flex of their gonads and they both face challenges and foes appropriate to their powers.

The difference is that Goku earns the power he has. When some new and more powerful enemy appears, he and his friends have to find a way to finally be stronger than that enemy. Also, people like him because of his personality and design, not only because he can destroy a planet.

Superman, in the other hand, has every tool he needs to defeat anyone he faces, and the only thing he needs is to be near a sun of a certain color. That is his core and how he was created. Besides that, Superman doesn't have any power that really stands out, he haves so many that all of them just seem generic.

 

[Redd]

In this thread we find out who doesn't know the difference between the wizard Shazam and Captain Marvel.

This is especially odd given that Captain Marvel being killed in Kingdom Come was kiiiiiiiinda a plot point that was tough to miss.

God I love the Kingdom Come series. Even enjoyed The Kingdom sequel. I need to get around to reading it again.

 

[pseudocaesar]

I think the thing with Superman is, he has been around a hell of a lot longer than Goku, so he has a lot more versions, and stories, and all sorts of things that may make him appear stronger or less depending on the issue and the writer. The video explicitly states that this is the best of the best Superman and the best of the best Goku. In this scenario, Superman is untouchable, he really is, and for the reasons they put forth in the video, I agree with it 100%

 

[WrenchNinja]

*raises eyebrow* Any one of those? I seem to remember Superman going toe to toe with Shazam before and doing just fine most of the time. Of course Shazam's has managed to knock him out with a sucker punch.

what are you talking about

 

[WolvenOne]

*raises eyebrow* Any one of those? I seem to remember Superman going toe to toe with Shazam before and doing just fine most of the time. Of course Shazam's has managed to knock him out with a sucker punch.

It's been a while since I read that Gog storyline. I mostly remember Superman punking him at the end and the more recent encounter from Superman/Wonderwoman where they beat Gog pretty easily.

Of course that's new 52 gog so he's a different character, but there is way way more superman material then dragon ball so it's harder to keep it all straight.

Someday's Superman flying into a moon is enough to knock him out.

Other days he just cleaves a moon in two like it's nothing.

Superman is absurdly inconsistent, which makes him really annoying to use in VS match-ups. Now personally, I tend to disregard certain high end feats of Superman, if they look they would require more energy output than the Sun to pull off. Other people take any feat at face value. The net result is that VS match-ups involving Superman get testy fast, since the character is practically open to interpretation.

 

[params7]

I want to see Goku wish for immortality and then have a rematch.

That's not really needed. Just make the rules so filler and movie feats count. Non canon or animeverse DB characters have plenty of planet busting feats at early saiyan saga level, with mid level (Ssj1/2) performing some ridiculous FTL feats, and Buuhan ripping apart space-time.

 

[Slayven]

Man I remember when Cameron Hodge wished for immortality, Archangel said fuck your immortality cut off his head. Man was the X-family fire back then

 

[params7]

Anime Dragon Ball is amazingly stupid when it comes to inflating characters feats and stats.

Goku and Frieza were FTL in the Namek arc, Kid Buu is way stronger than what he is in the manga, and Yamcha. Fucking Yamcha.

Alright, so you know Pikkon, that dude that embarrassed Frieza and Super Perfect Cell? You know, the Cell that SSJ2 Gohan just killed. He fought against Olibu in that Otherworld tournament, and Olibu was basically on par with Pikkon, and only lost due to a ring out. Yamcha went to Otherworld and fought not just Olibu, but another fighter at the same time, and was winning. In fact, neither of them even landed a blow on Yamcha. What the fuck is that?

Yeah, Yamcha vs Pikkon is stupid and really inconsistent. We're gonna have to chalk feats like that up to SMvsFL.

On the bright side, at least Toei look out for Yamcha Thanks to fillers, Yamcha doesn't always get his ass handed to him. He beat the Ginyu force too.

 

[manfestival]

I laugh every time I read someone saying that goku would win

 

[shoreu]

Yeah, Yamcha vs Pikkon is stupid and really inconsistent. We're gonna have to chalk feats like that up to SMvsFL.

On the bright side, at least Toei look out for Yamcha Thanks to fillers, Yamcha doesn't always get his ass handed to him. He beat the Ginyu force too.

Isn't manga considered cannon over the anime?

 

[params7]

Isn't manga considered cannon over the anime?

It is. My statement didn't apply to canon Yamcha, but to Toeiverse Yamcha, if you will.

 

[Welfare]

Isn't manga considered cannon over the anime?

Yes but the anime is considered a different version of DB when it comes to versus debates. This is also how GT is so absurd in how strong characters get, as it goes off the anime version.

 

[The Silver]

ya'll don't want to use anime Goku, dude could barely lift up a buidling, their durabiility stops around the heat of the surface of sun(kiddy shit to Supes). and he gets cut by glass at SSJ4.

 

[Astarte]

Superman Prime isn't a transformation. It is a transformation in a sense, but it's not instantaneous like all of Goku's Super/God forms.

If they changed the timeframe so that Goku is on Earth while Superman is waking up from his 15,000 year nap in The Sun, regardless of whether or not Goku was at his maximum canon power level, Superman Prime would eradicate the Saiyan.

At the height of both their power levels would be a good place to fight. Superman would promptly eradicate him, yeah.

I knew this bullshit would come up Superman Prime ain't shit

Flash is the master of speed, he can control kinetic energy itself.

It all depends on the writer. Superman Prime could rearrange spacetime itself with The Source before Barry/Wally could even think, or Flash could dropkick Superman Prime before he reaches his moment by travelling thousands of years into the past.

 

[Lethe82]

I don't really get this 'but Superman has no limits' yes he does. We've seen them time and time again.

 

[Hidden One]

Here's some feats and scans on DBZ


DBZ DC:

Saiyan Saga Vegeta is a confirmed Planet Buster
https://plus.google.com/107500522637193049886/posts/NbLkEevCvuN
And Cell is a Confirmed Solar System Buster
Image from http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/206651-cell_viz_super.jpg.
Also More info on how hes a Solar System Buster
https://plus.google.com/115407775212556162893/posts/dyfDF2vC9ui
Image from http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/kinasin/DBZ120.jpg.
Suppressed Nappa causes a Big Explosion
Image from http://i.ytimg.com/vi/QUBYcr4qBhY/hqdefault.jpg.
King Cold states that they could destroy Earth with a small Blast
Image from http://i.imgur.com/F6mT584.jpg.
Whis states that when Beerus is mad a Galaxy disappears instantly
Image from http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111119340/3143937-3996549391-27401.jpg.
Omega Shenron is a confirmed Universal Buster

Image from http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/scale_super/12/124813/2740160-omega_shenron4.jpg.
Omega Shenron Negative Energy was so great, that it would reach the Kaioshin realm

DBZ is faster than Light:
https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/6BhndHjmrbm
Kid Goku dodges a Solar Flare, that's is confirmed Light Speed
https://plus.google.com/118393079397492299761/posts/LjxNH2QPFcg
Even if you lowball Goku as Lightning Speed, he's still FTL
(Here's some feats)
Image from http://static.comicvine.com/uploads...784-256507-kid_goku_vanishing_speed_super.gif.
Goku completely disappears
Image from http://media.animevice.com/uploads/0/9491/243027-kid_goku_bulet_timer_super.png.
Kid Goku (RR Army ARC) dodges Bullets
Image from http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/6/60860/1152642-db_v27_079.gif.
Ssj Goku dodges Frieza death Beams
Image from http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/124813/2458610-goku_goes_ftl___copy.jpg.
Image from http://comic.dragonballcn.com/list/.../0.jp_Kanzenban/DRAGONBALLvol21/152-poyzr.jpg.
Goku breaks out of Frieza Light Attack, the instant it exploded
Image from http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net...speed_1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140224194942.

Image from http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net...speed_2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20140224195043.
Goku gets to the Battle scene almost instantly
Image from http://media.animevice.com/uploads/3/33346/707623-CmIRZ.png
Ssj Gotenks (Pre-HTC) circles the Globe a few dozen times and even had time for a nap (Dozen=12, Few= 2-4, he circles 24-48 times)
Image from http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/214/19-008.0/compressed/DBZ_107.jpg?v=11192793438.
Goku completely dodges Nappa punch
Image from http://i.imgur.com/7PN1nO3.jpg.
Raditz catches a Shotgun bullet at point blank range


DBZ Durability:

https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/Dkso3FuZ4Kk
A Kamehameha that was superbly powered up due to Goku's training. It repelled Piccolo's attack and pulverized it.
https://plus.google.com/102683655307828907556/posts/GJ1GX3mWHXN
Vol. 16 / Chp. 185
An extra-strength version of the Kamehameha, which shatters even the moon.? (This Describes Goku Super Kamehameha against Piccolo Jr.)
In one of the Panel's you see Piccolo Jr. Tanking the Super Kamehameha,which is confirmed a Moon Level

Goku is seen overpowering Vegeta Galick Gun (Which is confirmed Planet Level) and Vegeta tanks it with Moderate Damage

Image from http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/966/960/67f.png.
SsGodSs Goku was off guard and has a habit of letting his guard down
As Whis states this https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/DvtacRZeW2p
Image from http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/batman-vs-goku-37031.jpg.
Kid Goku tanks a RPG missle with no damage

Image from http://z.mhcdn.net/store/manga/214/01-004.0/compressed/gimg013.jpg?v=11354781283.
Kid Goku tanks Bullets
Image from http://img.mangastream.to/manga/dragon-ball/Db08ch10/db08pg143.GIF.
Goku tanks a Sniper Rifle to the Face/Neck
Image from http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3091799-6282125034-25712.jpg.
Image from http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/11111/111114806/3091801-5537300316-25711.jpg.
A Battle Wore Goku tanks a Island Level attack



DBZ Ki Powers:
https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/BtV1Vfod2QY
https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/3Cra8Fsb16x
https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/Ws8bqwqPRnU
Image from http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m156/kinasin/goku-versus-nate-grey-x-man-6994.jpg.
Goku charging up to go Ssj3 shakes the Earth
Image from https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-.../AAAAAAAABXg/xXKy_ut5vF8/w1044-h248-no/26.jpg.
Goku explains how Kaioken works

Toribot Creator of DB/Z Omnipotent:
https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/hvLDnrSFWmq
https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/6Kaugz3GLWsy


DBZ strength:
Image from http://img362.imageshack.us/img362/5677/img0015nq1.jpg.
Kid Goku moves a Boulder
Image from http://img.mangastream.to/manga/dragon-ball/Db01ch03/db01_02_18s.jpg.
Kid Goku crushes a Small Boulder
Image from http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/8/87693/4138499-hulk-vs-goku-4731.jpg.
Teen Goku (23rd Budokai) picks up Giant Piccolo Jr.
Image from http://i55.servimg.com/u/f55/13/72/36/40/jaco10.jpg.
Jaco picks up his Space Ship with no difficulty
Image from http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4200/13wi6.jpg.
Kid Goku picks up Bulma Car and throws it
https://plus.google.com/111360070266915769819/posts/7txHT8DC1Eh
If Vegeta weighed 132.2 pounds (60 Kilos), He would of weighed 18 Tons in 300x Gravity
https://plus.google.com/107500522637193049886/posts/Tdh9UmHbJqd
Ssj3 Goku in the fight with Beerus punches through King Kai Planet (Which is dense)

The speed one was interesting, lol.

 

[Host Samurai]

What I didn't like about it was that going into this rematch, Goku knew of Supermans weakness and should have teleported him to another planet where he is weak. Goku is a smart fighter than doesn't lose rematches. Also they should have just used Animated series Superman. Comic Superman just seems too confusing.

 

[Sephzilla]

Goku would stomp Superman

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

What I didn't like about it was that going into this rematch, Goku knew of Supermans weakness and should have teleported him to another planet where he is weak. Goku is a smart fighter than doesn't lose rematches. Also they should have just used Animated series Superman. Comic Superman just seems too confusing.

Why would goku intentionally handicap another fighter? Don't you remember him giving a senzu bean to Cell? Fighting is his life

Comic superman isn't confusing at all as long as you're clear about which one you're using. They went with nu52, who would probably kill goku with one punch if the "hero's killing restrictions lifted" rule was true tbh.

Goku would stomp Superman

Maybe in an eating contest

 

[Reuenthal]

What about Superman in the DCAU instead of the comics? Now, I don't closely calculate power levels and shit, but Goku in the anime seems stronger.

 

[Sir_Crocodile]

What about Superman in the DCAU instead of the comics? Now, I don't closely calculate power levels and shit, but Goku in the anime seems stronger.

DCAU supes withstood the omega effect, so he'd still win.

Would take a looooot longer though, as he doesn't hit as hard. But if he really had no killing restraints, he could just lobotimise goku(although there's the question as to whether anyone would notice if goku was lobotimised).

 

[SaviorX]

Superman was simply written to make anything seemingly impossible to imagine, possible.

Writers kept one-upping themselves on what they believe Supes should be able to do, to the point where he can have God giving him compliments. He is a product of irresponsible writing.

Goku would lose as a result, but at least his growth is relative to set moments and achievements in one consistent arc.