Manmademan
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That one ALSO has H2H training. Depowered here IIRC.
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Death Battle: Son Goku vs. Superman 2
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That one ALSO has H2H training. Depowered here IIRC.
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That one ALSO has H2H training. Depowered here IIRC.
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You know how Wildstorm was in the 90s, they just threw shit through a Madlibs and just drew pretty pictures to go with it.
He destroy 2 suns when he was sleepy , it is stated by whis that solar systems go missing when he get piss off, all of those thing is when he using very little of his power. You also have destroy half a planet with just one finger poke.
Okay, was gone for a few hours. The comic in question was from a good long time ago, and had a depowered superman losing a boxing match. Don't remember too many details beyond that, like I said this was from awhile ago.
Also, to touch on something earlier. While Goku being a galaxy buster is based on speculation, being a sun buster is entirely cannon. While many people dismiss this as a boast, Cell states near the end of his story arc that with his Ki he can now destroy whole star systems. This is later confirmed by Akira Toriyama in supplimentary material. Specifically, it is confirmed that Cell can destroy stars using a fully powered Kamahaaha.
Almost immediately after this statement is made Cell gets into an energy blast dual with Gohan, who had recently ascended to Super Saiyen 2. During this dual, in which both parties are going all out and both are using a Kamahaaha, they are shown to both be roughly equal, with Gohan attack eventually being able to overpower Cell.
Now, yes this is Gohan, but it is also only Super Saiyan 2. Even if Goku couldn't match the same feat in Super Saiyan 2 as well the Ki multiplication effect of transforming into Super Saiyan 3 would easily get him there, and that's not even getting into the Super Saiyan God multiplier.
So again, Goku being a star buster is a safe bet. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find a reason why Gohan could do this in SS2 form, and Goku couldn't in SSG form.
This is why Superman casually stepping through Goku's Kamahaaha bothered me so much. The amount of force necessary to destroy a star is utterly massive, and even Superman would have to feel that somewhat. Granted, with all the eye rolling feats under Supermans belt he still likely to win a match-up, buts he would probably have to work at it a bit.
Also, to touch on something earlier. While Goku being a galaxy buster is based on speculation, being a sun buster is entirely cannon. While many people dismiss this as a boast, Cell states near the end of his story arc that with his Ki he can now destroy whole star systems. This is later confirmed by Akira Toriyama in supplimentary material. Specifically, it is confirmed that Cell can destroy stars using a fully powered Kamahaaha.
Almost immediately after this statement is made Cell gets into an energy blast dual with Gohan, who had recently ascended to Super Saiyen 2. During this dual, in which both parties are going all out and both are using a Kamahaaha, they are shown to both be roughly equal, with Gohan attack eventually being able to overpower Cell.
Now, yes this is Gohan, but it is also only Super Saiyan 2. Even if Goku couldn't match the same feat in Super Saiyan 2 as well the Ki multiplication effect of transforming into Super Saiyan 3 would easily get him there, and that's not even getting into the Super Saiyan God multiplier.
So again, Goku being a star buster is a safe bet. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find a reason why Gohan could do this in SS2 form, and Goku couldn't in SSG form.
This is why Superman casually stepping through Goku's Kamahaaha bothered me so much. The amount of force necessary to destroy a star is utterly massive, and even Superman would have to feel that somewhat. Granted, with all the eye rolling feats under Supermans belt he still likely to win a match-up, buts he would probably have to work at it a bit.
Manmademan
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there are already posts in the thread of a drastically weakened superman tanking the force of a 50x supernova explosion with no damage whatsoever.
the force to blow up one sun would do literally nothing.
Emperor_EL
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They used a downgraded version of him in a Deathstroke flashback & killed him off but considering how DC works now they'll probably bring him back.
He destroy 2 suns when he was sleepy , it is stated by whis that solar systems go missing when he get piss off, all of those thing is when he using very little of his power. You also have destroy half a planet with just one finger poke.
Destroying helf a planet with a tap, does sound like a legit feat tbh. Guess we'll see where it goes. It probably would have been worth waiting until after the series was cleared up then, as we're almost certainly just gonna hear a load of complaining about rematches.
Like Manmademan said earlier though.. I can image the immediate response to a scenario where Goku wins, would be for Superman fans to demand other Superman versions be considered, lol.
Ignore what happens in the actual fight animations... they're only for entertainment. You think a battle between Batman and Spiderman would actually last minutes?
But there also post of super man getting ko by hitting the moon, as well as many pic across the web of him get hurt by less powerful attacks. It cant be both.
Man nobody got fucked harded by Nu52 than Wildstorm. I am glad they forgot my boys Wildcore existed. They were so Xtreme Adam-X would need a training arc before he could join them
Manmademan
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1.) not a standard moon, consists of dark energy.
2.) superman's post crisis history goes in chronological order- he starts off fairly weak after the post crisis reboot in 1986/1987, but scales up considerably due to various events until he's only marginally less ridiculous than the pre crisis interpretation- or more ridiculous if you consider the gold superman prime canon.
pointing to an injury in 1994 to point out how superman might lose isn't valid, if he surpassed that limitation in a later event. It would be like constantly pointing out that Goku was killed by piccolo during that whole raditz business, ignoring that he got drastically more powerful later and a similar assault wouldn't work.
Of course, being able to criticize that requires reading a superman book or two which almost no one does.
In comics, it absolutely can be both. In the death battle it can't, so they simply remove the low showings, and consider every character at their best.
Arguing a low showing is just pointless, and starts getting to shit like Batman beating the Flash, because The Flash lost to Deathstroke, and Batman's beaten Deathstroke before. Just not worth it... considering only the top end doesn't rely on being selective about what to admit for each character.
That figure is misleading for a very simple reason, an explosions force isn't focused, so when you're taking an explosion you're only taking an infinitesimally small portion of the total force put out. This is not the same thing as a relatively concentrated and focused energy blast with force sufficient to destroy a star, fired point blank right into your face.
Also, if memory serves me correctly, wasn't it stated that the 50x Supernova attack would've killed Superman if he was exposed to it longer?
Not when I was around, I'm only poking into this thread once every few days.
Manmademan
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nope. the explanation is earlier in the thread. The explosion was an entropy bomb designed to eliminate the sun eater. Superman (while drastically weakened and nowhere near full power) was at the core of that explosion and tanked it when it went off- taking the force of the EM shockwave measured at 50x the force of a supernova.
the bomb explosion didn't injure him, despite being weak and at the epicenter. What followed was a radiation ball (likely from the sun eater) that would have killed him, since superman has a radiation weakness. a standard supernova doesn't have that, as superman has tanked those before (scan is also in the thread) without having to flee the area.
Uh, dude, Supernova's actually put out a lot of radiation, a LOT of radiation. Radiation sufficient to travel to distant star-systems.
DC not knowing how to physics again.
Edit: Did a google search on this particular feat, and the consensus I saw was that while this is a big durability feat, the statement that Superman was at the epicenter of the blast is speculatory. Based on the comic panels I saw, I'm going to have to agree, with this.
FORCE of 50x Supernova. It's a bomb
I say this because I read it the same as you did at first haha.
zero shift
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All this thread showed me is how stupid comics are. Destroying planets by tapping on the ground? Lifting infinity? I can't see how people take this seriously.
Manmademan
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again, superman has tanked a standard supernova just fine without being killed. that was an entropy bomb that blew up a sun eater, not a typical supernova.
regular solar radiation, even RED solar radiation will not kill superman. he's flown through stars of all colors without damage and most of them supercharge him.
unless goku is radioactive, and a specific TYPE of radioactive (and last i checked, he isn't) the force of a supernova, or even one 50 times as great is not enough to kill him- even while severely weakened.
WWE is stupid, but it's also stupid entertaining. Besides, my favorite comics are much more grounded stuff. xD
You don't have to take something seriously to argue about it forever over the internet.
Sibersk Esto
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Hey now, the tapping on the ground one was DBZ
And to answer your question, because when a story can be told in an entertaining way, it doesn't matter how powerful the characters are.
Manmademan
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Man nobody got fucked harded by Nu52 than Wildstorm. I am glad they forgot my boys Wildcore existed. They were so Xtreme Adam-X would need a training arc before he could join them
man, remember when all books looked exactly like that?
All this thread showed me is how aswome comics are. Destroying planets by tapping on the ground? Lifting infinity? I can't see how people don't like this.
Edit: By the way, the New52 Superman has already escaped a real blackhole. He's getting more powerful by the day!!!
Edit: By the way, the New52 Superman has already escaped a real blackhole. He's getting more powerful by the day!!!
Or was... Let's see how long this depowered phase goes.
Manmademan
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I know, right? Marvel and DC are pretty much huge sandboxes where everything is possible.
the fun is asking "what if...?" and finding a story where someone totally did that
What if all the men died on earth except superman and he went around and impregnated all the left over super heroines?
Manmademan
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don't tell me that actually happened
EightBitNate
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How about Superman vs Saiyaman
Manmademan
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Emperor_EL
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I thought you were joking...
Manmademan
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isn't that pretty much goku, but way worse?
I guess superman could laugh himself to death or something
I never joke about comics
Manmademan
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Sibersk Esto
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Manmademan
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Maybe Saiyaman vs Superman's crime fighting alter-ego, Gangbuster!
can you see superman in the fortress of solitude sewing that up, nodding his head and modeling in the mirror going "this is some fly shit right here"
edit: yooooooooo you could totally turn that around, give him an afro and turn the insignia into a black power fist, maybe with a pick at the end. collar would have to be way bigger though
The Silver
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Jojo anime needs to hurry up and get to the part with the real bullshit broken stands. The world needs to know about that GER. Nullyfing all cause and effect, willpower, death and it all being impossible to counter cause it exists outside of the concept of time and space.
You don't need no multiple writers to come up with insanity.
You don't need no multiple writers to come up with insanity.
Manmademan
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Marvel did that in the 1960s.
"what if...." "they totally already did that!"
How does something like that look like such a pos?
WrenchNinja
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This is the crux of this entire thread. Trying to argue from ignorance is just a pointless endeavor, I'm not sure why people continue to do so.
Sibersk Esto
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pfft that wasn't even his idea. He subconsciously stole it from a guy who wore it earlier.
On his own Superman also moonlighted as THE DEMOLISHER
Omega Effect, it retroactively erases you from existence, it literally makes it like you were never born.
Epsilon-delta
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Made in Heaven is pretty broken too.
Manmademan
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it was the 60s. drugs were probably involved. It's second to the infinity gauntlet in terms of ludicrously powerful marvel objects though.
Kirby tech
Sir_Crocodile
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post-crisis supes becomes dc1m supes though.
still not as strong as pre-crisis, but not that far off.
dude just had a measuring tape on his desk the day he came up with it and thought "that'll do"
The Silver
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Where the nullifier loses out is that you actually have to use it, GER already happened.Marvel did that in the 1960s.
"what if...." "they totally already did that!"
Manmademan
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its funny because that's probably exactly what happened
Buddha Beam
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Every year around ComiCon time I expect an announcement for Justice League vs. Dragonball Z and it never happens. It's like a license to print money yet they don't go for it. It just baffles me, man. How has this crossover never happened yet..?
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