Helios
Member
Look at the year. It's the standard one year Epic exclusive.
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Deep Silver is pulling Metro Exodus from Steam, makes it Epic store exclusive.
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Look at the year. It's the standard one year Epic exclusive.
Ravi_elite
Banned
Who cares...deep silver sucks..they ruined The Saints Row Series
FearlessBelgian
Member
The worst is that you are still lucky you Americans ... You will pay the game cheaper (49.99 $) while we Europeans will pay the game 59.99 € (= 68 $) or 49.99 £ (= $ 65) ... We have absolutely nothing to gain from going to the epic store ...
FearlessBelgian
Member
All keys will be epic game store keys ... ( From 4A games facebook but they delete the comment...)
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GrayChild
Member
Yup, saw that. An earlier tweet in the game's official profile claims that the Aurora Edition pre-orders will have Steam keys inside, so I really don't know what I'll get.
- Are the physical edition pre-orders getting a Steam key, while the discs printed after the game's premiere ship with EGS keys?
- Are the Aurora Edition boxes the only versions which are getting a Steam key, while the regular versions get shafted?
- The physical edition preorders I saw are including a poster which still contains the Steam logo. Is it just a placeholder, while the final design is different?
- It's almost 2 weeks before release now? Shouldn't all physical pre-order copies be sent to the pressing plant for mastering already?
CuNi
Member
They can, they do and they easily will in the future.
Exactly, people keep talking about promoting 'consumer choice' but there has been a a massive shift to vendor lock in and removal of choice with nobody batting an eye.
FearlessBelgian
Member
+1... Epic is just going to make the Steam store stronger than it is when they see that off-steam games are not selling ...
TheShadowLord
Member
So Valve is going to incentivize devs/publishers to keep big games on their platform and not go anywhere else.?
Xi Jinping will get rid of Valve in favor of Tencent, he already started maneuvering by enforcing the approval of any online game by the government. Most of Steam market grow of these last years came from China.
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
That's pretty fucked up.
I guess we're back to the old days where every launcher now has exclusive titles. Shame, still not enough for me to get an Epic Games account or care about them at all.
I guess we're back to the old days where every launcher now has exclusive titles. Shame, still not enough for me to get an Epic Games account or care about them at all.
Gamezone
Gold Member
I forgot to mention Battle.net which is pretty much the same launcher as Epic's. Never mind the best selling PC games usually aren't even on Steam.
Kadayi
Banned
Probably because they're not swooping in and aggressively taking games off of Steam and wrapping up 3rd parties into exclusivity deals.
Like GTA V? Skyrim? Fallout?
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Gamezone
Gold Member
Red Dead Redemption 2 and the next GTA will be Rockstar Club exclusives if Epic doesn't fix a deal with them. When GTA V was released the major shift had yet to happen. These games should easily stand on their own, and people will move to whatever launcher to get them.
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Kadayi
Banned
You're all about the whataboutism it seems.
Kadayi
Banned
Apparently, they are guaranteeing them a certain amount of money during the exclusivity period based on what was said by another developer, in line with expected sales., So say for example your project was projected to sell 10000 units a month but only sold 6000, Epic would cover the shortfall.
Helios
Member
Than your other statement doesn't really make sense. You're saying the best selling games are not usually on Steam but than you say it's because those games haven't been released on PC yet?
Still, I agree. Bethesda and Rockstar are now probably going to release their games on their own platforms from now on so that they can take all the profits. Probably why Steam made that statement where they're taking less of a cut for selling over 10/50 mil. We'll see where this is going. As consumers, we're just stuck in the middle. There's absolutely no benefit from this (Unless you're from US, I guess)
Right. This fucks more with the people on Steam who preordered the game more so than Steam; they have nothing to do with Steam or the Steam stores developer business practice.
This was poorly thought out. I’m not buying this game on PC or consoles. Having purchased the previous games on Steam, I will not be buying this one as a “Fuck You Too.”
pr0cs
Member
If that's the case its no wonder there are some big profile gets moving to the epic store. Guaranteed sales would be pretty hard to beat considering how front loaded game sales are
Angry_Megalodon
Member
wow, this is a big hit on Steam. However, there is still a very long way to go before Epic can create an ecosystem like Steam.
McCheese
Member
Don't get the hate, what did you folks expect competition for Steam to look like?
If you pre-ordered on steam you are still getting exactly what you originally wanted, and if you picked up a box copy you get your steam key still if you really want to play it within that eco-system.
Epic store is doing pretty much the same service, but cheaper for consumers and better margins for the developer. It's win-win.
If you pre-ordered on steam you are still getting exactly what you originally wanted, and if you picked up a box copy you get your steam key still if you really want to play it within that eco-system.
Epic store is doing pretty much the same service, but cheaper for consumers and better margins for the developer. It's win-win.
Kadayi
Banned
Don't take that as gospel. That's an interpretation of what has been said. Certainly, the implication is that Epic are paying the Developers a certain amount during the window for that exclusivity.
MrTroubleMaker
Member
It won't, Tencent must be giving out cash to make up for it.
Threeshotgamer
Banned
Well it's only cheaper for US consumers. And I would expect them to actually compete who could have the better platform for consumers not moneyhat devs while providing a fraction of the features of the competition.
Krappadizzle
Member
Big loss, for them and me. O well, plenty of shit to play on my platform of choice I guess. Shame....
Stitch
Gold Member
Cool so we can buy it during the 2020 Holiday Sale
eot
Banned
That's a crazy deal, it's like an insurance policy on your game.
kingwingin
Member
Epic must have written them a huge cheque. knocking $10 off the price and paying 18% less in fees almost cancels itself out
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Ulysses 31
Member
You can still buy it from steam for a limited time.
Sejan
Member
They are a gatekeeper that has long since gone AWOL. To say they have rested on their laurels is a huge understatement. I love Steam and have no problem with them being a primary PC distribution option. Unfortunately, they have given up for all practical purposes. The 30% cut from purchases, while standard, is largely unjustified.
Epic and other alternative storefronts are the market pressure that Valve need to fix their problems with Steam. I am 100% in favor of market forces pressuring companies to be better.
To be clear, I don’t want Steam pushed out. I even would like to see them as the market leader, but I want them to be motivated to fix their problems and be more fair to the game developers. The only way to do this is to face real competition.
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jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
I am too, but the problem here is that this competition is being done to the determent of the customer experience.
We would all be having a completely different conversation if Deep Silver just lowered the price on the Epic Store while keeping the Steam release intact and available for $60. That is how you get people to vote with their wallets, not making exclusivity deals that force people interested in this game to sign up for yet another service. I personally know a lot of people that would pay $10 more just to have the game in their Steam library with access to all of Steam's features. Hell, the fact that it's the #1 seller on Steam today kinda proves that's true.
FearlessBelgian
Member
For what ? Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo take 30% too... This is a industrial problem... Epic are just here to take all the money they can... They dont care about players and community like valve/steam does... they are just profiteers ...
Afro Republican
Banned
Well, it's not like Steam is going to write any checks to counter. Valves likely to sit still until it becomes a more major issue.
Sejan
Member
As I said in my original post, the only way for these closed markets is to change the industry standard. For better or worse, Nintendo controls their own store and no one else can challenge it. The only places this is possible right now is on PC and Android. In a few years, maybe publishers will be able to approach Sony and Microsoft and demand better prices based on what is standard at that time.
The only solution to this problem is market pressure. If Steam has enough people skip games on their service in favor of others they will be forced to change their ways.
I am not saying that epic are the good guys in this scenario. I am saying that market pressure is a good way to bring about change.
Gamezone
Gold Member
Closed platforms are in the position to do so unlike PC.
Chairman Tickles
Banned
Well I won't be buying this. I saw this for months in my steam feed, added it to my wishlist and had the intention to try it in the first month. Not anymore. They milked steam for adverts then bailed. 4A Games can suck my ass.
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