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#DEFLATEGATE: Goodell never had any balls

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BobLoblaw said:
This is in addition to the news about the 90 seconds the guy was in the bathroom with the balls (was he supposed to leave them outside? - I wouldn't) as well as science-based information about how balls can deflate. But even with those, Kraft would NOT put himself in the line of fire unless he was 100% sure that no one in his organization had anything to do with it. He's not like Jerry Jones. Guy has too much class.
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Just to be clear, it was allegedly "about 1 psi" according to pft
 
Quotient said:
The author does make this assumption:



I haven't done stats in a long time but Im not sure that assumption is valid, especially for the NFL players where too many fumbles will lead to a very short career.

Perhaps someone with more solid statistics knowledge could comment.
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That assumption only impact the likelihood that this is something that happened by pure chance (that is to say - the Pats are not better at not fumbling, they just got lucky).
And while it's not certain that fumbles per touch do follow normal distribution, you'll have to bend math backward in order to come up with anything that other than "rather unlikely".
I'm not saying that there isn't a difference between odds of 1 in 4000 and 1 in 6000, but for the sake of this discussion, I don't think it really matter.

And for the record, you can choose to say it was all fluke, it's not like this is 5 sigma, you'll never get such confidence levels with football's small data sets, but if you do, at least consider that you're choosing to believe the significantly less likely scenario based on nothing but your team preference (and even that's not the end of the world, it's sports and we're just talking shit over the internet).
 
Pats fans rallying around Kraft's statements is both hilarious and sad. Quite possibly the most biased individual in this entire process with a multi-billion dollar vested interest in making sure his team's name is pristine, what the duck do you think he's going to say.

Stinkles said:
This is bizarre. I think 90 seconds is too short personally to deflate 12 balls. Even if you had a good tool/technique. I think the maximum you could deflate in that time is 11.

So case closed.
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:jnc
 
br3wnor said:
As a Giants fan I can't really hate the Patriots since they gave me the 2 best football games of my life, but this whole deflate gate is amazing. The fact that they've had to spend so much time defending themselves for this (insane/stupid story) and no one is paying attention to the game itself is incredible. Now we're talking about bathrooms, it's unreal.

I genuinely feel bad for Patriots fan in this situation because no matter what, anyone who hates the Pats will never let this go and it will always be associated with this super bowl, especially if the Patriots win.
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As a Pats fan I'd rather win and have people talk about this for years to come than lose and have people talk about this for years to come. It's lose lose from that perspective but it's better to win and lose lose than... Lose, lose and lose.
 
Stinkles said:
This is bizarre. I think 90 seconds is too short personally to deflate 12 balls. Even if you had a good tool/technique. I think the maximum you could deflate in that time is 11.

So case closed.
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Im actually waiting an expert site report on the fatest 2 psi can be taken out of one football...wait for it, is coming.
 
Vire said:
Pats fans rallying around Kraft's statements is both hilarious and sad. Quite possibly the most biased individual in this entire process with a multi-billion vested interest in making sure his team's name is pristine, what the duck do you think he's going to say.
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Well, the alternative is rallying around a video of a ball boy taking a 90 second piss before the game and claiming it's a smoking gun.

You choose.
 
Stinkles said:
This is bizarre. I think 90 seconds is too short personally to deflate 12 balls. Even if you had a good tool/technique. I think the maximum you could deflate in that time is 11.

So case closed.
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Caja 117 said:
i know why it didnt include the N.O saints, still, Data is been manipulated to get specific numbers. Also, for those teams that play on dome stadium games why not include the away home games that were out doors? They didnt play 16 games in their home stadium, and did the report also excluded all the game the Pats played in a Dome stadium as well?Did the report also analized how good the opposing was good at forcing fumbles? Given two NFL teams can face different teams in a season, especially NFC vs AFC teams?
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When I say "engage with an article" I mean you do as much reading as I do. These questions you're asking can all be answered by bothering to read. If we don't look at the writing and the data we aren't engaging in an informed discussion. Specifically the writer says this:
Based on the desire to incorporate full season data (not just home games, as a team theoretically bring “doctored footballs” with them on the road) I performed the following analysis:

I looked at the last 5 years of data (since 2010) and examined TOTAL FUMBLES in all games (as well as fumbles/game) but more importantly, TOTAL OFFENSIVE PLAYS RUN. Thus, we can to determine average PLAYS per FUMBLE, a much more valuable statistic. The results are displayed in the chart below. Keep in mind, this is for all games since 2010, regardless of indoors, outdoors, weather, site, etc. EVERYTHING.
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I get the sense you aren't actually interested in reading the articles in question but if you want to, here are the links. Again they address pretty much every question you and others have asked so far.

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...umble-more-often-when-playing-for-other-teams

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...ts-prevention-of-fumbles-is-nearly-impossible

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...ously-out-perform-expectations-in-wet-weather
 
The Albatross said:
Well, the alternative is rallying around a video of a ball boy taking a 90 second piss before the game and claiming it's a smoking gun.

You choose.
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No, the alternative is common sense.

11/12 of the Patriots supplied balls were found to be deflated. The Colts balls were found to be unchanged.

I've yet to hear a logical explanation for that from anyone. All these absurd scientific studies about atmospheric pressure and weather climate don't address this central point. Under the same conditions, the balls would have been affected in the same exact way.
 
Vire said:
Pats fans rallying around Kraft's statements is both hilarious and sad. Quite possibly the most biased individual in this entire process with a multi-billion dollar vested interest in making sure his team's name is pristine, what the duck do you think he's going to say.


:jnc
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Considering how he handled Spygate, he would tell the truth. Or, if he felt there was a chance that they were guilty, he wouldn't have said shit. You don't become a billionaire by being dumb.
 
Stinkles said:
This is bizarre. I think 90 seconds is too short personally to deflate 12 balls. Even if you had a good tool/technique. I think the maximum you could deflate in that time is 11.

So case closed.
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Also, it's too short to shit, and too long to piss. Now it might be enough time to let some air out of some "old balls."

Whatever happened in that bathroom could be the smoking gun that leads to the demise of the infamous Patriot Dynasty.
 
Caja 117 said:
Im actually waiting an expert site report on the fatest 2 psi can be taken out of one football...wait for it, is coming.
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Theoretically, you could have a bunch of needles calibrated for 10.5 PSI and just stick all the balls in a row. Once you stick the last ball, you take it out of the first.

Ridiculous, but possible.
 
Vire said:
No, the alternative is common sense.

11/12 of the Patriots supplied balls were found to be deflated. The Colts balls were found to be unchanged.

I've yet to hear a logical explanation for that from anyone. All these absurd scientific studies about atmospheric pressure and weather climate don't address this central point. Under the same conditions, the balls would have been affected in the same exact way.
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The Colts balls don't start the game off at 12.5 PSI.

I'm not sure where you're getting the fact the Colts balls were unchanged. If they were inflated more they would have been over the threshold even with weather affecting it.
 
watershed said:
When I say "engage with an article" I mean you do as much reading as I do. These questions you're asking can all be answered by bothering to read. If we don't look at the writing and the data we aren't engaging in an informed discussion. Specifically the writer says this:


I get the sense you aren't actually interested in reading the articles in question but if you want to, here are the links. Again they address pretty much every question you and others have asked so far.

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...umble-more-often-when-playing-for-other-teams

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...ts-prevention-of-fumbles-is-nearly-impossible

http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...ously-out-perform-expectations-in-wet-weather
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I asking the question rethorically, i know they didnt did any of those, they just took data, and decided to exclude some info from that, making that statistic inconsistent, I still believe Pats should en in first place of the graph, given they been consisntantly in the top 5 for a decade, where as other teams have not.
 
Dragon said:
The Colts balls don't start the game off at 12.5 PSI.

I'm not sure where you're getting the fact the Colts balls were unchanged. If they were inflated more they would have been over the threshold even with weather affecting it.
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Wait so now Pat's fans are claiming the Colts are intentionally over-inflating the balls?

The tinfoil hat is strong with this one.
 
Vire said:
Wait so now Pat's fans are claiming the Colts are intentionally over-inflating the balls?

The tinfoil hat is strong with this one.
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No, if you actually paid attention you'd know the Colts balls are inflated more than the Pats. Within the acceptable range. Try to keep up.
 
JABEE said:
Also, it's too short to shit, and too long to piss. Now it might be enough time to let some air out of some "old balls."

Whatever happened in that bathroom could be the smoking gun that leads to the demise of the infamous Patriot Dynasty.
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1 min 30 secs is too long to piss and wash your hands?
 
Vire said:
Sauce.

It kinda is actually, it's literally the only place in the facility that cameras are barred.
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Also the only place where you can piss... well, for most people anyhow.

edit: all the guy has to do is say he was taking a piss, that's it
 
Vire said:
No, the alternative is common sense.

11/12 of the Patriots supplied balls were found to be deflated. The Colts balls were found to be unchanged.

I've yet to hear a logical explanation for that from anyone. All these absurd scientific studies about atmospheric pressure and weather climate don't address this central point. Under the same conditions, the balls would have been affected in the same exact way.
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Did anyone measure the colt balls? Haven't seen any reports on this whatsoever. How is it we know some guy went to the bathroom but we don't know the PSI of the footballs in question by both teams.
 
Duxxy3 said:
Also the only place where you can piss... well, for most people anyhow.

edit: all the guy has to do is say he was taking a piss, that's it
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What if they didn't deflate the balls in the bathroom, but actually had another bag of already deflated balls and just switched bags.

#deflateception
 
The balls went in the bathroom? They should have been flagged like that book in Seinfeld

No one wants to play with footballs that have been in the bathroom =/
 
Vire said:
What if they didn't deflate the balls in the bathroom, but actually had another bag of already deflated balls and just switched bags.

#deflateception
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And the minutes were those balls were taken into the bathroom there is a mysterious camera blackout.
 
Vire said:
What if they didn't deflate the balls in the bathroom, but actually had another bag of already deflated balls and just switched bags.

#deflateception
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Then they would have footage of someone putting them in there first, and also taking the other bag out after.
 
Vire said:
Pats fans rallying around Kraft's statements is both hilarious and sad. Quite possibly the most biased individual in this entire process with a multi-billion dollar vested interest in making sure his team's name is pristine, what the duck do you think he's going to say.
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Uhhh, I think everyone would have expected him to come out and say something like, "We're fully cooperating with the NFL and will not make any further comment until the investigation is complete. Our team is concentrating fully on the Seattle Seahawks."

I think a lot of people were surprised with the tone and content of his remarks, especially when we were all saying how buddy-buddy he is with Goodell.
 
Vire said:
No, the alternative is common sense.

11/12 of the Patriots supplied balls were found to be deflated. The Colts balls were found to be unchanged.

I've yet to hear a logical explanation for that from anyone. All these absurd scientific studies about atmospheric pressure and weather climate don't address this central point. Under the same conditions, the balls would have been affected in the same exact way.
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Was it ever announced that the Colts balls were unchanged?
 
JABEE said:
I don't know why he needed to take the balls with him to take a piss.
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It's almost like it's his job to watch after the team's balls.

Strange huh?

Wouldn't it be even more strange if he left the game balls outside where he had no contact with them for a minute and a half?

Although I'm sure you would find issue with either option.

edit: what he said ^^^
 
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