Mighty Chin
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Link? I looked and all I find is his previous statement.
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#DEFLATEGATE: Goodell never had any balls
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Link? I looked and all I find is his previous statement.
Link? I looked and all I find is his previous statement.
Ooops, I forget to hyperlink it in my post. Here it is.
Ooops, I forget to hyperlink it in my post. Here it is.
On January 28th, 2015. Neil deGrasse Tyson has become a true science guy.
LyleLanley
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I always knew Neil deGrasse Tyson was an idiot.
Arrowgigantic
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He's an outer space guy, you can't expect him to be thinking about atmospheres and stuff.I always knew Neil deGrasse Tyson was an idiot.
Seriously though, smart people make mistakes too.
I always knew Neil deGrasse Tyson was an idiot.
Did you even read the article?
"My calculation used the well-known gas formula that relates pressure to temperature within a fixed volume," Tyson explained on Facebook on Tuesday. "Quite simply, the two quantities are directly and linearly related. e.g. Halve the temperature, you've halved the pressure. Triple the temperature, you've tripled the pressure."
He wrote that his mistake was using absolute pressures instead of gauge pressures. Going by gauge pressures, the balls would need to be inflated with 90-degree air.
"A delightfully moot point since neither temperature absolves the NE Patriots even as we all know that the NE Patriots, in their 45 to 7 victory over the Colts, would have won the game no matter the ball pressure," he wrote. "And, as far as I am concerned, the Patriots would have won that game even in the vacuum of space."
He messed up in a calculation, but the result still doesn't absolve the Pats from ball tampering.
LyleLanley
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Did you even read the article?
He messed up in a calculation, but the result still doesn't absolve the Pats from ball tampering.
So you're just going to believe whatever that idiot tells you now?
I'd consider what they did after they were told to stop recording games as cheating. So essentially two games that they did it in. Agreed about willfully deflating the footballs below the acceptable PSI. If they did that, it's cheating. The penalty for which is a small monetary fine, which leads me to believe the league doesn't consider it to be that big of a deal.
The penalty should be a hell lot more harsh for a team caught already before of breaking the rules.
But Brad Johnson admitted to paying a ball boy to rub the ball down to let air out.....
I thought he and all other QBs admitted to rubbing the to their liking, which is within the rules.
Deflating the balls isn't. Unless I missed some follow up quote from Johnson.
Also the fact that the NFL made a rule about taping shows it was wrong and they had to make a rule to stop it. They probably didn't think about it because who in their right mind thinks a team would stoop so low that you would have to put into rules that hey fella let's not videotape the other team please? Like it's understood in sports that is beyond normal picking off signals and besting the opposition. That's not sportsmanship, that's cheating!
Pats did it before the rule was put in place and continued to do so afterwards. Of course that's cheating. Oh but right we can't prove it. Too bad the tapes were burned I wonder if that might have been helpful.
Can't believe people are rewriting history to wash away Spygate. You don't get penalized so heavy for some new rule that wasn't even considered cheating right? Wrong is wrong regardless of when the rule was put in. Videotaping other teams was wrong before the rule.
How come other teams don't get caught cheating? Is the NFL picking on the poor Pats?
Man-is-Obsolete
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The problem I had with NGT's original statement and even the correction is that he is basing it on a 2 psi drop from 12.5 to 10.5. A 1 PSI drop to 11.5 would not be a 15% drop but a 8% drop. So what would the initial temperature of the air need to have been to drop it 8%?
TheOhrenberger.
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So when it comes out that the Patriots did absolutely nothing, how many different organizations will owe the Patriots an apology for making this shit show as big as it is?
ElectricBlanketFire
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So when it comes out that the Patriots did absolutely nothing, how many different organizations will owe the Patriots an apology for making this shit show as big as it is?
None.
bob_arctor
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So when it comes out that the Patriots did absolutely nothing, how many different organizations will owe the Patriots an apology for making this shit show as big as it is?
Maybe you can make a list.
LyleLanley
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So when it comes out that the Patriots did absolutely nothing, how many different organizations will owe the Patriots an apology for making this shit show as big as it is?
Wilbon will personally deliver every ESPN viewer a hand written apology for making such a big deal out of this.
boiled goose
good with gravy
In the absence of evidence supporting onces irrationalLy held beliefs, one will assume a coverup conspiracy.
The human mind ladies and gentlemen.
The same thing happened with spygate. once everything was revealed and it wasn't that big of a deal everyone claimed cover up. Despite the fact that you know all the tapes were shown to the media
The human mind ladies and gentlemen.
The same thing happened with spygate. once everything was revealed and it wasn't that big of a deal everyone claimed cover up. Despite the fact that you know all the tapes were shown to the media
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
They should just get a small fine. Its highly unlikely there will be evidence that it was done on purpose.
Also the fact that the NFL made a rule about taping shows it was wrong and they had to make a rule to stop it. They probably didn't think about it because who in their right mind thinks a team would stoop so low that you would have to put into rules that hey fella let's not videotape the other team please? Like it's understood in sports that is beyond normal picking off signals and besting the opposition. That's not sportsmanship, that's cheating!
Pats did it before the rule was put in place and continued to do so afterwards. Of course that's cheating. Oh but right we can't prove it. Too bad the tapes were burned I wonder if that might have been helpful.
Can't believe people are rewriting history to wash away Spygate. You don't get penalized so heavy for some new rule that wasn't even considered cheating right? Wrong is wrong regardless of when the rule was put in. Videotaping other teams was wrong before the rule.
How come other teams don't get caught cheating? Is the NFL picking on the poor Pats?
As i understand the NFL didn't ban videotaping, it banned it from the side-lines.
DrForester
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Owe them an apology? ManySo when it comes out that the Patriots did absolutely nothing, how many different organizations will owe the Patriots an apology for making this shit show as big as it is?
Give them and apology? None.
So every team then.Yes it is the public and the rest of the NFL that owes the Patriots an apology! How dare anyone question this great organization that has never even been accused or caught before???!?!?!
They should just get a small fine. Its highly unlikely there will be evidence that it was done on purpose.
Why the hell should they have any fine if it was not on purpose and due to temp changes?
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3d0c94936c/bill-nye-addresses-deflategate
How is this guy a scientist?! LOL!
on a serious note, glad he mentioned climate change and reality of it after the crazy weather everyone has faced this winter.
How is this guy a scientist?! LOL!
on a serious note, glad he mentioned climate change and reality of it after the crazy weather everyone has faced this winter.
Skinny Pete
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How about none.So when it comes out that the Patriots did absolutely nothing, how many different organizations will owe the Patriots an apology for making this shit show as big as it is?
...They should just get a small fine. Its highly unlikely there will be evidence that it was done on purpose.
What? I mean. What?
So you're just going to believe whatever that idiot tells you now?
He's not an idiot. Stop being needlessly antagonistic. That's my job!
Yes it is the public and the rest of the NFL that owes the Patriots an apology! How dare anyone question this great organization that has never even been accused or caught before???!?!?!
Arguing from history about a completely different situation. Eagles fans sure are winners in this thread.
The penalty should be a hell lot more harsh for a team caught already before of breaking the rules.
I thought he and all other QBs admitted to rubbing the to their liking, which is within the rules.
Deflating the balls isn't. Unless I missed some follow up quote from Johnson.
Also the fact that the NFL made a rule about taping shows it was wrong and they had to make a rule to stop it. They probably didn't think about it because who in their right mind thinks a team would stoop so low that you would have to put into rules that hey fella let's not videotape the other team please? Like it's understood in sports that is beyond normal picking off signals and besting the opposition. That's not sportsmanship, that's cheating!
Pats did it before the rule was put in place and continued to do so afterwards. Of course that's cheating. Oh but right we can't prove it. Too bad the tapes were burned I wonder if that might have been helpful.
Can't believe people are rewriting history to wash away Spygate. You don't get penalized so heavy for some new rule that wasn't even considered cheating right? Wrong is wrong regardless of when the rule was put in. Videotaping other teams was wrong before the rule.
How come other teams don't get caught cheating? Is the NFL picking on the poor Pats?
You know Richard Sherman confirmed they decoded Manning's Signals last year right? one thing is having bad sportsmanthip, the other is cheating
Found this video on ESPN and thought it was a good description on what would happen with a deflated football.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12226086
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=espn:12226086
Tragicomedy
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I'm looking forward to the NFL showing its results, but there are several weird parts to this story that point to tampering which will likely never be answered.
If weather is to blame (LOL), we need two explanations:
1) Why was that 12th ball not under inflated as well? Did it have its own weather system? It wasn't even cold during the damn game...
2) What PSI level were the Colts' footballs at? One assumes based on lack of discussion that they were A-okay, but data would help.
The most likely explanation at this point is that the Pats left one ball properly inflated and deflated the rest. Were all eleven other balls deflated prior to being certified? Did the ref just check that one proper ball? Or did they deflate the others after check in and keep one to provide the refs later for testing? That 12th ball is the key...
If weather is to blame (LOL), we need two explanations:
1) Why was that 12th ball not under inflated as well? Did it have its own weather system? It wasn't even cold during the damn game...
2) What PSI level were the Colts' footballs at? One assumes based on lack of discussion that they were A-okay, but data would help.
The most likely explanation at this point is that the Pats left one ball properly inflated and deflated the rest. Were all eleven other balls deflated prior to being certified? Did the ref just check that one proper ball? Or did they deflate the others after check in and keep one to provide the refs later for testing? That 12th ball is the key...
I'm looking forward to the NFL showing its results, but there are several weird parts to this story that point to tampering which will likely never be answered.
If weather is to blame (LOL), we need two explanations:
1) Why was that 12th ball not under inflated as well? Did it have its own weather system? It wasn't even cold during the damn game...
2) What PSI level were the Colts' footballs at? One assumes based on lack of discussion that they were A-okay, but data would help.
The most likely explanation at this point is that the Pats left one ball properly inflated and deflated the rest. Were all eleven other balls deflated prior to being certified? Did the ref just check that one proper ball? Or did they deflate the others after check in and keep one to provide the refs later for testing? That 12th ball is the key...
The most likely explanation? We still don't even know what PSI the Patriots' balls were at! Seriously, suiting facts to theories instead of theories to facts. Sherlock Holmes is more pissy about this fucking thread than about that show Elementary.
So when it comes out that the Patriots did absolutely nothing, how many different organizations will owe the Patriots an apology for making this shit show as big as it is?
They had underinflated balls. They still broke the rules.
They had underinflated balls. They still broke the rules.
So by your logic if Someone stash 2 kilos of cocaine under the seats of your car without you noticing this, you still are Guilty, you had, after all, something illegal in your car
Tragicomedy
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So by your logic if Someone stash 2 kilos of cocaine under the seats of your car without you noticing this, you still are Guilty, you had, after all, something illegal in your car
The balls were never out of positive control of a Patriots employee.
A better analogy would be you are sitting in the front seat, someone opens the passenger door, and places the cocaine under you seat while you watch them do it.
You sound super credible later on when you say you have no clue what went down...
Arrowgigantic
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1) 12th ball wasn't measured because it was thrown into the standsI'm looking forward to the NFL showing its results, but there are several weird parts to this story that point to tampering which will likely never be answered.
If weather is to blame (LOL), we need two explanations:
1) Why was that 12th ball not under inflated as well? Did it have its own weather system? It wasn't even cold during the damn game...
2) What PSI level were the Colts' footballs at? One assumes based on lack of discussion that they were A-okay, but data would help.
2) That's a bad assumption, since it is entirely possible that the Colts balls were not even checked.
He messed up in a calculation, but the result still doesn't absolve the Pats from ball tampering.
He still used assumptions based on news leaks that we aren't sure of. We don't know the exact temp used to fill the ball, or how damp the balls were, if the refs even measured pressure with a gauge or did a feel test, etc. The big problem was Neil used bad math to suggest that the situation was completely impossible... and he's a high standing figure in popular science, so it was incredibly disappointing to see him jump on the bandwagon without even making sure his math was right.
Owe them an apology? Many
Give them and apology? None.
Bingo
The balls were never out of positive control of a Patriots employee.
A better analogy would be you are sitting in the front seat, someone opens the passenger door, and places the cocaine under you seat while you watch them do it.
You sound super credible later on when you say you have no clue what went down...
That still doesn't makes you guilty, does it?
Point in case, you cant be held accountable for something you had no control over whatsoever.
They had underinflated balls. They still broke the rules.
Find me a maintainability requirement for ball air pressure. You'll be looking for a long time. The only explicit requirement is the pressure for the ref's check. If they want to add a maintainability requirement they will also have to add reasonable pressure deviations due to weather and play conditions.
There have been instances in other games where balls get deflated and kickers complain. Refs say they are not allowed to be inflated during the game.
But by all means, continue the senseless trolling/hating.
I'm looking forward to the NFL showing its results, but there are several weird parts to this story that point to tampering which will likely never be answered.
If weather is to blame (LOL), we need two explanations:
1) Why was that 12th ball not under inflated as well? Did it have its own weather system? It wasn't even cold during the damn game...
2) What PSI level were the Colts' footballs at? One assumes based on lack of discussion that they were A-okay, but data would help.
The most likely explanation at this point is that the Pats left one ball properly inflated and deflated the rest. Were all eleven other balls deflated prior to being certified? Did the ref just check that one proper ball? Or did they deflate the others after check in and keep one to provide the refs later for testing? That 12th ball is the key...
3) By how many more points would the Patriots have destroyed the Colts if the balls were properly inflated for the entire game as they were in the second half.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Why the hell should they have any fine if it was not on purpose and due to temp changes?
Because that explanation doesn't make sense.
Because that explanation doesn't make sense.
"Once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth."
Just because the weather reason is unlikely, doesn't mean it was not what it happens
Because that explanation doesn't make sense.
Well then, even without proof otherwise, we should convict them.
DragonSworne
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3) By how many more points would the Patriots have destroyed the Colts if the balls were properly inflated for the entire game as they were in the second half.
People in this thread have stated cheating is not following the rules. So according to them, it's still cheating regardless of how beneficial or not beneficial it is.
Tragicomedy
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1) 12th ball wasn't measured because it was thrown into the stands
2) That's a bad assumption, since it is entirely possible that the Colts balls were not even checked.
Interesting on the twelfth ball. So it was likely the same PSI. I hadn't heard that.
That still doesn't makes you guilty, does it?
Point in case, you cant be held accountable for something you had no control over whatsoever.
Once again, you are ignoring the oh-so-important part where a team employee had positive control of the balls. As in, a person the Patriots pay money to maintain the balls in a playable state. As in, a member of the organization.
Do you honestly believe a guy or girl with their job on the line tampers with the game balls without explicit instructions to do so? Not a chance.
3) By how many more points would the Patriots have destroyed the Colts if the balls were properly inflated for the entire game as they were in the second half.
Totally irrelevant, but you knew that before posting. Nobody is questioning the outcome, but nice deflection attempt. Brady and Belichick would be proud.
People in this thread have stated cheating is not following the rules. So according to them, it's still cheating regardless of how beneficial or not beneficial it is.
The very definition of cheating is to not follow prescribed rules, so yeah. There isn't some gray area where it's okay to cheat if it didn't affect the outcome of hurt someone. It's not our fault if the team you liked gets caught cheating and you want to try and justify it under false moral ambiguity.
It's really hard to take you seriously after you claimed the report on the Patriots fumbling less than other teams proved they did this. HILARIOUS in light of all the holes that have been shot through it.Totally irrelevant, but you knew that before posting. Nobody is questioning the outcome, but nice deflection attempt. Brady and Belichick would be proud.
Once again, you are ignoring the oh-so-important part where a team employee had positive control of the balls. As in, a person the Patriots pay money to maintain the balls in a playable state. As in, a member of the organization.
Do you honestly believe a guy or girl with their job on the line tampers with the game balls without explicit instructions to do so? Not a chance. .
Im not ignoring that, however, Still need to be proven he did anything, you are taking Assumptions as facts. If The Ball boy did something to the Balls, then YES, the Pats are responsible for this. but like I said before to this point it doesn't matter, most people have made up their mind in both side of the fence, If NFL reports shows Pats didnt had anything to do with this a lot of Haters are going to say its a cover up, if the Pats are found guilty a lot of Fans are going to try and justify it.
DeathoftheEndless
Crashing this plane... with no survivors!
Well then, even without proof otherwise, we should convict them.
The proof is that the balls got under-inflated while in the Patriot's care.
Tragicomedy
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It's really hard to take you seriously after you claimed the report on the Patriots fumbling less than other teams proved they did this. HILARIOUS in light of all the holes that have been shot through it.
I didn't say it proved anything. I said it was statistically impossible for them to fumble so much less than other teams, all things being equal. If that report has been shown to be false (and I haven't been in this thread much since yesterday), then it would confirm just that. The numbers are statistically impossible, or very near.
But once again, great job not replying to what I just wrote and carrying on with that whole deflection business. Good job, good effort.
Tragicomedy
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Im not ignoring that, however, Still need to be proven he did anything, you are taking Assumptions as facts. If The Ball boy did something to the Balls, then YES, the Pats are responsible for this. but like I said before to this point it doesn't matter, most people have made up their mind in both side of the fence, If NFL reports shows Pats didnt had anything to do with this a lot of Haters are going to say its a cover up, if the Pats are found guilty a lot of Fans are going to try and justify it.
No. I agree with your first part completely. That's why I said we need some NFL findings, but they are unlikely to be the data points we actually need for resolving this.
Right now, things look incredibly suspicious for the a Pats. Even more so if we get into about the Colts' balls all being in normal parameters. Even more so since it was too damn warm for the weather to impact the PSI.
I didn't say it proved anything. I said it was statistically impossible for them to fumble so much less than other teams, all things being equal. If that report has been shown to be false (and I haven't been in this thread much since yesterday), then it would confirm just that. The numbers are statistically impossible, or very near.
But once again, great job not replying to what I just wrote and carrying on with that whole deflection business. Good job, good effort.
Yeah, I hate when people point out how wrong I was too.
The proof is that the balls got under-inflated while in the Patriot's care.
So if you die of natural causes in my care, I murdered you?
forgeforsaken
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I didn't say it proved anything. I said it was statistically impossible for them to fumble so much less than other teams, all things being equal. If that report has been shown to be false (and I haven't been in this thread much since yesterday), then it would confirm just that. The numbers are statistically impossible, or very near.
But once again, great job not replying to what I just wrote and carrying on with that whole deflection business. Good job, good effort.
Except they are not.
Posting again because you apparently missed it. Sharp's analysis is a bit bunk.
http://drewfustin.com/2015/01/27/patriots-fumble-comments/
http://regressing.deadspin.com/why-those-statistics-about-the-patriots-fumbles-are-mos-1681805710
No. I agree with your first part completely. That's why I said we need some NFL findings, but they are unlikely to be the data points we actually need for resolving this.
Right now, things look incredibly suspicious for the a Pats. Even more so if we get into about the Colts' balls all being in normal parameters. Even more so since it was too damn warm for the weather to impact the PSI.
Its relative to be honest, I dont think anything official have been said about if the Colts Footballs lost any PSI at all, and how much PSI Pats balls lost: if the Colts Balls were inflated at 13.5 and lost Less than 1 that put them still in legal inflation, if the Pats inflate at 12.5 and lost at least 0.1 they are basically breaking the rules. regarding the Weather I cant comment too much on it as I don't know physics (or care to know about it, I think is silly to waste Scitinfic resources on this)
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