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Destiny 2 Beta |OT| Garry's Mod
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EL CUCO
Member
That map is just way too small. When you factor in how quickly you can cap a zone now and how agressive the spawn flip is, you just go around in circles. If you do get to hold a couple of zones long enough, you eventually end up spawn camping the other team, resulting in a mercy which doesnt even give you a chance to use a super.
That map is bad for control.
wesleyshark
Banned
Never/rarely? This was happening quite often. Spawning right next to enemies.
At least on the map we got 6v6 would be a clusterfuck. 4v4 on this map = you never/rarely spawn 10 feet away from a guy ready to kill you but you never have to run too much to find an enemy or teammate either. You'll find a dude across a lane easily if you know where to look, but if you're careless with cover/ability you'll run into 2 guys and get teamed. Honestly it's the best spawn design the game has had so far, largely I assume because the maps don't have to fit lobbies with a 100% size variation across playlists.
4v4 doesn't fix their bad spawn design. Tiny maps certainly don't help either.
Wow that's a real bummer. I played for hours yesterday and the day before with a full team and we would call it out when it happened as an "oh shit lol hadn't seen this in a while".
By any chance did this happen while Power Play was active for you or the enemy team?
stupid question, what happens during a powerplay or what is a powerplay?
RedlineRonin
Member
Damn
Picked up an NV code for cheap last week but I'm way more of PvE guy and skimming through this thread it sounds like that may be gettin the shaft this time around. Bummed to read some of this.
Are we to close to ship window for them to balance some of this stuff? I can't imagine another Destiny shipping in a less than stellar state and needing multiple patches/expansions to get back to where it should've been at launch.
At least the pc version will hopefully look nice I guess....
Picked up an NV code for cheap last week but I'm way more of PvE guy and skimming through this thread it sounds like that may be gettin the shaft this time around. Bummed to read some of this.
Are we to close to ship window for them to balance some of this stuff? I can't imagine another Destiny shipping in a less than stellar state and needing multiple patches/expansions to get back to where it should've been at launch.
At least the pc version will hopefully look nice I guess....
Hispanic! At the Disco
Member
But all the maps are smaller for 4v4, right? I cant imagine any of maps not being a merry go round.
Imo, 4 players isnt enough to guard and capture when there are 3 points. That plus not gaining points over time from zones I think pushes people to just cap the next zone since you get points when you cap it and not for holding.
At 6 players theres enough for 2 people for each point. At 4 players you cannot be evenly dispersed and even then, you aren't incentivized enough to guard it anyways. I think only 2 points would cause more people to guard, but even then the small player count and mode rules would probably still cause a merry go round.
SocksAndShoes
Banned
I've been asking this since the details got announced. The only response I got was "Design choices."
It's BS and completely unacceptable in 2017. Not to mention they went from 6v6 to 4v4.
you guard 2 points and force the other team to spawn in the 3rd. coming from halo, always a bad idea to control all zones as it messes up spawns. no idea if this is the case for d2
Not stupid at all. Power Play is what Destiny 2 calls it when all 3 zones are capped in Control. It's a very advantageous situation because your kills are worth triple, and it can flip the tables quickly on scoring. But it's really hard to keep all 3 zones capped because enemies will spawn near a zone and your team can hardly spread out to keep control of it all.
never knew. makes my previous comment regarding zone control incomplete now lol
Yeah like bigJP said getting all 3 zones is rarely worth the risk.
A general match goes like this: both teams start off with A/C and spawn by them. You can either sprint to B, or you can count on the enemy team heading to B and leaving their own spawn unattended and head there instead. An initial skirmish takes place and one team will usually come out on top with 2 zones. The idea is keeping 2 zones for as long as possible, not getting and guarding all 3. It worked this way even when it was 6v6 - getting the third cap was an easy way to mess up spawns and end up losing 2.
Not really, your point still stands. D1/D2 both make it super high risk to get the third zone since you'll have people spawn all over the place. You'll generally only have 3 zones for any meaningful amount of time if facing a much, much inferior team.
Double post :notlikethis: sorry
wesleyshark
Banned
I didn't notice if it was more so during a power play or not, to be honest. It was definitely happening enough that it was noticeable, overall. Spawn, and there would be someone right around the corner or in my line of sight. I got some cheeky kills from getting an unintentional drop on people lol.
Yeah, I've looked at that stuff but they seem like straight upgrades to abilities rather than customisation options with alternative paths.
While I'm airing my misgivings, I definitely wish they had upped the FoV compared to Destiny 1.
EL CUCO
Member
Yea but this particular map is so small that if you take 5 steps passed B it already spawns the other team behind you. You dont even have to attempt to cap the 3rd zone. It makes control matches kinda boring to play imo.
This is how I feel Bungie went into this game. They looked at us, our powers, our fun level, and.... READY???
come on it's 17 seconds of awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f62pW0J2JsA
come on it's 17 seconds of awesome
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f62pW0J2JsA
wesleyshark
Banned
I had to jack up my sensitivity to 9. Still feels off to me.
Katana_Strikes
Member
Are they adding anything else into the beta before it ends? I'm done with the initial content.
I'm using the default sensitivity. Switched to bumper jumper and it feels the same as D1.
On the 23rd they'll open the social space, the farm, for one hour. That's it.
On the 23rd they'll open the social space, the farm, for one hour. That's it.
Pandora012
Member
Sometime this weekend they're going to open up the social space for an hour.
Sunday at 1PM EST 10 Pacific
EL CUCO
Member
I'm hoping they add that Felwinter map to control 😩
Definitely.
Also heavily dependent on the class - which is weird. The end of the story mission with the rotating arms is just so bizarre for what's supposed to be an intro mission. It's completely fine for some classes, but say default Dawnblade players will find it nearly impossible, and will probably die 10+ times. Yes, things might be recut for the release, but it it feels underdesigned and arbitrary.
Norris1020
Member
Something is definitely off, I thought at first it was maybe because I was used to Overwatch and needed to readjust but after spending some time with it, it is definitely messed up, particularly horizontal movement. It's hard to describe other than it feels like it's dragging or something and yes I tried different sensitivities. It's been the biggest complication for me in trying to enjoy this. On PS4 btw.
Pandora012
Member
If they somehow separated them out, I think they could have made the PvP 60fps.
But they have said the reasoning was partially design, partially hardware. In that they could have sacrificed some design elements like bigger levels, more enemies, less physics etc. for 60fps, but decided they wanted to keep those. Basically, Destiny 2, as its built, cannot run 60fps on consoles.
I'm not sure how you want them to prove that to you. Send you a dev kit and the entire code?
Don't get me wrong, I'm disappointed. Hell I might have even said fuck those extra enemies, give me my 60. But whatever. We'll see how bigger the game truly is.
Whatever Destiny's faults (and it had many) it was always possible to somewhat overlook them because just the basic feeling of moving around and shooting was just so SO satisfying.
It's amazing to me that they would risk messing that core feeling up, but going by some feedback even THAT has been compromised. Am I putting too much stock in the reactions that mention this, or would most of you agree that it's been affected?
It's amazing to me that they would risk messing that core feeling up, but going by some feedback even THAT has been compromised. Am I putting too much stock in the reactions that mention this, or would most of you agree that it's been affected?
Impulsor
Member
Please noooooo!
I think it's the weapons...some definitely have higher aim assist. The starter handcannon, on the Titan feel a lot crispier to me compared to the starter handcannon on the Lock/Hunter. Even the Titan's AR seems to stick better, to me at least.
To each his/her own, but put me in the loving PvP camp. Maybe because I'm not 15 and don't have the twitch reflexes, but it got tiresome to constantly get shotgunned, or camp sniped, or supered every 4 seconds.... it feels more balanced and fits how I like to play PvP a lot more.
CrazyIvan1978
Member
Can a tank strafe? If yes, then yes.
The feel of shooting is definitely slightly different. It's probably part of their effort to increase the skill game so they can become real esportz. Most of the game design is focused on tightening up Crucible. But yeah, it's kind of inexplicable they'd mess with the one thing that's always been good and reliable about the franchise.
i can assure you that you dont need a 15 year olds "twitch reflexes" to play destiny on console
Kaji AF16
Member
Destiny 1 was probably my most anxiously waited game of all time, and even if I consider that the raids, UI and general experience are worthy, I ultimately didn´t become interested by the lore and the franchise´s future.
I played the Destiny 2 missions and the strike last night and generally didn´t like them, aside from some nice particle / smoke / explosion effects and several impressive vistas (fighting in the rain, if merely gimmicky, was cool).
Playing D2 beta between long sessions of Warframe evidenced the limits and shallowness of Bungie´s (and Activision, since I felt an increase in COD-like scripting) proposal. The combat system is still solid, but I don´t find it fun to play anymore.
That said, it was impressive to see about 60% of my 400-ish XBL friend list playing the beta at the same time: with just one game and some expansions of variable quality, they managed to create a saga which dwarves even Halo.
I played the Destiny 2 missions and the strike last night and generally didn´t like them, aside from some nice particle / smoke / explosion effects and several impressive vistas (fighting in the rain, if merely gimmicky, was cool).
Playing D2 beta between long sessions of Warframe evidenced the limits and shallowness of Bungie´s (and Activision, since I felt an increase in COD-like scripting) proposal. The combat system is still solid, but I don´t find it fun to play anymore.
That said, it was impressive to see about 60% of my 400-ish XBL friend list playing the beta at the same time: with just one game and some expansions of variable quality, they managed to create a saga which dwarves even Halo.
Me too, though I absolutely hate D1's PvP and pretty much always have (except Trails) and only like the new mode, D2's Control I somehow found even less enjoyable than D1's.
Complicated
Banned
The controls do not feel good. The movement is very slow, and movement abilities just feel bad compared to other shooters and multiplayer games. Aiming doesn't feel good though the auto aim makes it easy to hit shots.
It's definitely still got the old tanky feeling. It feels worse than Destiny did in that regard. More like Halo 3.
So does this suck and everyone is disappointed? I barely played Destiny 1 but was planning on getting this and actually sticking with it but now I am hesitant. Has the beta turned people off from even buying this now?
And also 4v4 is a huge turn off for me, should be at least 6v6, wtf are they thinking with that?
And also 4v4 is a huge turn off for me, should be at least 6v6, wtf are they thinking with that?
I think most people are enjoying it. There's definitely some issues people have with changes though, especially to the higher cooldowns and double primary system.
I actually like that more. Though in D1 for every kill I got I'd have about 5 assist. Think a whoever does the most damage gets the kill credit would be best, but I prefer both getting the kill, instead of the person who got the last hit like D1, even if someone else does 90% of the damage.
Herp Derpington
Member
It's exactly like D1. Titan skating has been nuetered somewhat but with strafe lift and Max mobility you can still get around quite fast. Actual movement and aiming though is exactly the same.