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Destiny 2: Bungie's Vision for the Sequel

FHIZ said:
...Lost it at the point where the guy said WHAT IF THE LORE WAS IN THE GAME. Look, I'm going to play the game, whatever, but spinning this as the story was "niche" is a load of shit... Just say you messed up and aim to do better this time.
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They did. Like a million times.
 
SimpleCRIPPLE said:
Ernest said:
So do I delete D1 once this is out?
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So sad that the answer to this can be yes.

All those hours, the 10 year commitment to your character growth, etc. Lies.
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Stop.

The "ten-year plan" BS has been debunked, clarified, and explained so many times by so many people that misunderstanding it in this day and age is just inexcusable.

Seriously, just take five seconds and google "destiny ten year plan". The whole first page of results is either people having the actual "plan" patiently explained to them, or an interview with a bewildered Bungie employee who's just now hearing one of the many internet-warped variants of it for the first time ever.
 
Looks great to me. Cant wait for more Destiny.
Dont get the stuff about the graphics. Looks to me a clear improvement. Espcially what you see in this vid with also some Destiny 1 footage.
 
StaticJam said:
Isn't the footage from the event Pro footage?
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Yeah.

What I was talking about is that I don't think they haven't announced any specific graphical changes between the standard PS4 and the pro apart from 4k. There probably are some but nothing has been specifically said that I've seen.
 
SirNinja said:
Stop.

The "ten-year plan" BS has been debunked, clarified, and explained so many times by so many people that misunderstanding it in this day and age is just inexcusable.

Seriously, just take five seconds and google "destiny ten year plan". The whole first page of results is either people having the actual "plan" patiently explained to them, or an interview with a bewildered Bungie employee who's just now hearing one of the many internet-warped variants of it for the first time ever.
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"We certainly take it seriously that Destiny is a ten-year thing," he said. "It's a long-term thing and with these adventures that we're adding my contract to you--and any player--is that your Guardian will always be there. We're going to keep adding new stuff for you to do and I'd hope you'll look at The Taken King and be like, 'I'm looking forward to logging on again and hooking friends online." - Destiny engineering lead Luke Timmins

Which was then later clarified by Bungie's Eric ‘Urk' Osborne:

"To think that somehow, before Destiny had shipped, we had some ten-year plan written down somewhere? It's comical. We allowed the narrative to get constructed that Bungie is just a corporate entity and not a bunch of humans, a collection of people who are just trying to make a really great game."

Notice the clarification is only to assure people they don't already have 3 or 4 games mapped out, and are therefore holding back content. No where does it mention the intent to drop your character progression with the start of Destiny 2. Even Bungie didn't know.

Now since these interviews and the ramp up to D2, they've clarified and explained why they want to reset progression, but "The "ten-year plan" BS has been debunked, clarified, and explained so many times by so many people that misunderstanding it in this day and age is just inexcusable." is just wrong.

If people weren't expecting for their character to transfer to D2, then why was it such a big deal when we got confirmation they wouldn't earlier this year?
 
SimpleCRIPPLE said:
"We certainly take it seriously that Destiny is a ten-year thing," he said. "It's a long-term thing and with these adventures that we're adding my contract to you--and any player--is that your Guardian will always be there. We're going to keep adding new stuff for you to do and I'd hope you'll look at The Taken King and be like, 'I'm looking forward to logging on again and hooking friends online." - Destiny engineering lead Luke Timmins

Which was then later clarified by Bungie’s Eric ‘Urk’ Osborne:

"To think that somehow, before Destiny had shipped, we had some ten-year plan written down somewhere? It’s comical. We allowed the narrative to get constructed that Bungie is just a corporate entity and not a bunch of humans, a collection of people who are just trying to make a really great game."

Notice the clarification is only to assure people they don't already have 3 or 4 games mapped out, and are therefore holding back content. No where does it mention the intent to drop your character progression with the start of Destiny 2. Even Bungie didn't know.

Now since these interviews and the ramp up to D2, they've clarified and explained why they want to reset progression, but "The "ten-year plan" BS has been debunked, clarified, and explained so many times by so many people that misunderstanding it in this day and age is just inexcusable." is just wrong.

If people weren't expecting for their character to transfer to D2, then why was it such a big deal when we got confirmation they wouldn't earlier this year?
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Characters carry over. Gear does not.
 
Trace said:
Max level in Destiny 1 was 20 through exp, then levels 21-30 were from gear. The Dark Below raised the level cap to 32 via gear, then House of Wolves raised the level cap to 34 via gear.

Then The Taken King came out and raised the exp level max to 40 and they switched gear systems so you would have a "light level", basically a gear score, that went up to 300 via gear which was then raised via patches to like 365(?). Then Rise of Iron raised the light level to 400, which is the current max.
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TTK pushed LL to 320 and the April update pushed it to 335. RoI then did the final push to 400 where it stands now. The April update also did away with the ridiculous percentage based infusion system and just made it 1:1. That was probably the best QoL improvement they could make to keep interest in the grind. I'm sure there are those "hardcore" that will disagree with me though.

GlamFM said:
Characters carry over. Gear does not.
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You're arguing semantics at this point. It wasn't clear what they meant by the remark so people assumed stuff would carry over. It wasn't clarified until D2 was announced.
 
SirNinja said:
Stop.

The "ten-year plan" BS has been debunked, clarified, and explained so many times by so many people that misunderstanding it in this day and age is just inexcusable.

Seriously, just take five seconds and google "destiny ten year plan". The whole first page of results is either people having the actual "plan" patiently explained to them, or an interview with a bewildered Bungie employee who's just now hearing one of the many internet-warped variants of it for the first time ever.
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I don't agree with that at all. Letting people go on assuming your intentions for 2 or so years to then finally come out and "clarify" is BS. Most people's issue is that your gear doesn't carry forward, which they assumed from all of the "progress" talk in these interviews. Here's one: http://www.ign.com/articles/2014/12/07/bungie-wants-player-progress-to-carry-over-to-destiny-sequel
 
SimpleCRIPPLE said:
If people weren't expecting for their character to transfer to D2, then why was it such a big deal when we got confirmation they wouldn't earlier this year?
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Because of all the misinformation flying around about it. Which is kinda my point?

People made up so much stuff about both Destiny 1 (it'll get ten years of content!) or the franchise as a whole (all my stuff will carry over between games! I don't know what game balance is!) that disappointment was inevitable.
 
Tovarisc said:
Very disappointing amount of content available for being "beta". Diablo 3 "beta" comes into mind.
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Actually happy that they're keeping the beta smaller because way too much of the first game was available in the alpha/beta. Really added to the feeling of a lack of content in the final game.
 
SimpleCRIPPLE said:
If people weren't expecting for their character to transfer to D2, then why was it such a big deal when we got confirmation they wouldn't earlier this year?
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It didn't really seem like that big of a deal, to be honest. Most people kinda expect a gear reset with a sequel or major expansion.

There's not a lot of functional difference between just starting over at Level 1 or just raising the Light/Level cap to 60-70.
 
So how will the exoctic ps only sniper were you can change elemental damage on tbe fly work with locked load outs?

Game breaking or nerf even that hmm.
 
ShdwDrake said:
I want to see someone running around the world. Running around the world in D1 was boring AF patrols sucked.
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They know this and it's why they've mixed up patrols massively and added loads of stuff to do while patrolling. You will see it at launch.
 
GlamFM said:
You could just recreate your character with slight modifications.
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Aren't you worried about Destiny 2?

To me it seems that they made the game alot more accessible. You can get loot now without even doing anything. The random rolls on weapons are gone (replay value?). So far we have 0,0 confirmation wether Stormcaller, Nightstalker or Sunbreaker is in the game. I get that D2 is a "soft" reboot ... but ... still.
 
Waldini said:
Aren't you worried about Destiny 2?

To me it seems that they made the game alot more accessible. You can get loot now without even doing anything. The random rolls on weapons are gone (replay value?). So far we have 0,0 confirmation wether Stormcaller, Nightstalker or Sunbreaker is in the game. I get that D2 is a "soft" reboot ... but ... still.
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Not worried at all.

Locked stats is something I always wanted.

Also not worried about getting loot for basically doing nothing, because I´m pretty sure it wont be significant stuff for hardcore players like you and me.

AKA, I don´t think you´ll get to max light for hanging out in orbit.
 
I know they don't want to, as Luke said "spoil all the awesome stuff" but they really need to push for more showing of content. Just the small clips we got from this looked insane, especially for someone like me who didn't bother to play Destiny much after the first 30 hours or so.

Seriously, who is handling their marketing? Don't show every single little detail but give me some good insight into what has truly changed for the game, not PR talk though. I didn't even know there wasn't gonna be new classes but just subclasses until I read that a couple days ago in another thread. Show us some PC footage!
 
HowZatOZ said:
I know they don't want to, as Luke said "spoil all the awesome stuff" but they really need to push for more showing of content. Just the small clips we got from this looked insane, especially for someone like me who didn't bother to play Destiny much after the first 30 hours or so.

Seriously, who is handling their marketing? Don't show every single little detail but give me some good insight into what has truly changed for the game, not PR talk though. I didn't even know there wasn't gonna be new classes but just subclasses until I read that a couple days ago in another thread. Show us some PC footage!
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Chill. They are keeping a steady stream of information right now.

It will surely ramp up towards release. hands on preview coverage and such.
 
GreyWind said:
Looks like some sort of moon.
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Bold One said:
Hopefully, it gets patched in - A Sole Patch if you will

I'll see myself out.
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Doubt it. They would need to qa every helmet in the game again for every race and every beard option. Plus the only way you could have one if patched in would be to delete your character to do the character creation tool again.
 
Confidence Man said:
So maps are going to be smallish zones connected by tunnels again.
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My guess, from what we have seen, is that it will still be the hubs / public and private bubbles we've seen in D1, but at a larger scale. And apparently, the European Dead Zone is the biggest area they've created so far. But people should realise that Destiny will not be a 'true open world' game unless they totally rework the engine and the networking infrastructure.
 
Dhruv_hanom said:
I only see two subclass nodes, and one of them is the active one.

Still no confirmation about the 3rd set of sub-classes right?
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Ouff good eye. In the older footage there were 3 nodes there. Not having the TTK subclasses will be a major disappointment, but they could be tied to a part of the story or something else. Guess we'll have to wait and see..
 
Dhruv_hanom said:
I only see two subclass nodes, and one of them is the active one.

Still no confirmation about the 3rd set of sub-classes right?
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There is no fucking way they're going to nickel and dime people for a third sub-class again, is there? LMFAO. IT WAS ALREADY IN THE GAME! And before people say it, don't even try saying "it's a whole new game" with how many shared assets there are. There is no excuse for this, if this is true.
 
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Looks like multiple types of supers for the striker titan and shoulder charge has a cooldown now?

Jblanks said:
Ouff good eye. In the older footage there were 3 nodes there. Not having the TTK subclasses will be a major disappointment, but they could be tied to a part of the story or something else. Guess we'll have to wait and see..
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Hazardous Metal said:
There is no fucking way they're going to nickel and dime people for a third sub-class again, is there? LMFAO. IT WAS ALREADY IN THE GAME! And before people say it, don't even try saying "it's a whole new game" with how many shared assets there are. There is no excuse for this, if this is true.
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It'll be extremely disappointing for sure. Hopefully they'll be in the base-game.
Well we'll know for sure come sept 6th
 
Dhruv_hanom said:
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Looks like multiple types of supers for the striker titan and shoulder charge has a cooldown now?





It'll be extremely disappointing for sure. Hopefully they'll be in the base-game.
Well we'll know for sure come sept 6th
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I think a third subclass I a nice bullet point for a big expansion.

I look forward to, and expect it to be in, Destiny 2´s TTK sized expansion.
 
Do we know how the meleee weapons work? can you only use them in those 5-8 seconds during the duration of the super charged mode? Or can you run around and sword slash in third person as long as you want?
 
Dhruv_hanom said:
Seems to me that D2's TTK sized expansion will be an excellent entry point to the game
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I guess every expansion is a good starting point.

But that´s not the point really.

You´d still miss out on 1 or 2 years of Destiny.

That´s basically the wait for a sale / GOTY edition argument.
 
GlamFM said:
I think a third subclass I a nice bullet point for a big expansion.

I look forward to, and expect it to be in, Destiny 2´s TTK sized expansion.
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If thast the case, going from 3 now, to 2 , to only getting a 3rd back in a paid for expansion, would suck. They should expand subclasses, not take them away and tinker with them just to simply sell back to us later. We should have brand new subclasses in paid for expansions.
 
GlamFM said:
I guess every expansion is a good starting point.

But that´s not the point really.

You´d still miss out on 1 or 2 years of Destiny.

That´s basically the wait for a sale / GOTY edition argument.
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Well I'll be getting the PC version anyway. I'll have a month and a half to think about if I want to get in at launch or later.
 
alt27 said:
If thast the case, going from 3 now, to 2 , to only getting a 3rd back in a paid for expansion, would suck. They should expand subclasses, not take them away and tinker with them just to simply sell back to us later. We should have brand new subclasses in paid for expansions.
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Are you kidding me? How am I supposed to be interested in a new expansion if it doesn't have the bullet point "pay for a modified subclass that you already bought again"?
 
Hazardous Metal said:
Are you kidding me? How am I supposed to be interested in a new expansion if it doesn't have the bullet point "pay for a modified subclass that you already bought again"?
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alt27 said:
If thast the case, going from 3 now, to 2 , to only getting a 3rd back in a paid for expansion, would suck. They should expand subclasses, not take them away and tinker with them just to simply sell back to us later. We should have brand new subclasses in paid for expansions.
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The third subclass was a breath of fresh air in D1.

Not only because it was new, but also because it changed the way we played the game.

This feeling half way through D2´s lifecycle would be more than welcome for me personally.
 
GlamFM said:
The third subclass was a breath of fresh air in D1.

Not only because it was new, but also because it changed the way we played the game.

This feeling half way through D2´s lifecycle would be more than welcome for me personally.
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Sure, why cant we get a fourth one added then?
 
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