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[firehawk12]

I really don't get why this one is a problem. Easier mode to ease people in, harder as you progress. Still nee to get gud to do the hard stuff, at a certain point normal modes will drop off your radar entirely like the easier strikes do now.

"Over complicates"

"2-3 minutes extra to a multiple hour activity, literally just adding your current group to your FL and making a new group"

I think I've made it clear I understand the frustration, but it seems like a complete non issue in context.

Nope. Seems like you can just use GG to form a group then add them to your FL and make a new raid group.

2-3 minutes more work, no need to leave the game.

Not ideal, but certainly very workable.

I thought the point of GG was not to need to add dozens of randoms to your friends lists in order to play games... I mean, effectively, it's just LFG but built in, which seems like a half-measure when they could just let you search for Hard mode raid groups.

 

[Zakalwe]

I thought the point of GG was not to need to add dozens of randoms to your friends lists in order to play games... I mean, effectively, it's just LFG but built in, which seems like a half-measure when they could just let you search for Hard mode raid groups.

Sure, but again this is simply a little PSA to say "we might be able to work around Bungie's dumb system, so don't write a game off you might love because of their dumb design".

They should absolutely open up GG for everything, but they won't, but I think we can stick a finger up and say "ha, we're gaming your dumb system anyway!".

 

[Spades]

It likely won't have the same rewards, as no one would bother doing it.

And if it does, no one would bother doing the harder one.

Having two Nightfall difficulties is silly.

Agreed. The last thing they need to do is dumb down the game and make it easier (it's so easy to reach max light in D1 at the moment). Make it more accessible so more people can do the hard content and grind for that max-LL gear.

Max-LL gear for doing simple strikes is utter BS.

 

[Yam's]

Agreed. The last thing they need to do is dumb down the game and make it easier (it's so easy to reach max light in D1 at the moment). Make it more accessible so more people can do the hard content and grind for that max-LL gear.

Max-LL gear for doing simple strikes is utter BS.

Why? Raids still have exclusive weapons and different progression paths is always nice. Anyway it's not like you're gonna be matchmaked with this kind of players in harder content, right?

 

[robo]

Its a stupid decision period.

Gg for normal your looking for one maybe two people. Not difficult to do and clear most content easily.

Herioc stuff, hmm thats a tricky one, like is it fuck.

Do gg on herioc you set a minimum completion target.

Complete fully 10 normal nf or raid to open up herioc gg.

Its not that hard.

If after 10 play comletions you dont know whats required then you may as well pack it in.

Hell id go as low as 5 to say ok, lets give it a go.

Its also optional, those that dont want to use, can go lfg website lottery, those that do stick to tbe ingame one.

This is not blind matchmaking, you can choose to accept the player before he joins i believe.

I have raided with Hawkien and ruthless via here both as a noob and a filler. Even on hard mode. Maybe it takes a little longer but in the end i dont think we failed once to finish a raid.

Taking noobs through hard is just as much fun as normal, once you get into the right mindset.

If your not into helping others thats fine, but for tbose of us who do, then gg on herioc would be the best option for helping those players out.

Gg is an option, its not the only option, for some its not the best option, but it should be an option for all levels and for all activities.


You can set set your clan to no noobs if you want, but to lock out the clans that want to help on herioc is idiotic.

Its the whole fucking point of gg in the first place.

Hope bungie take some shit for this.

Just set some minimum requirements if need be, but dont lock it out.

 

[broony]

Again, the SOLO player doesn't have a bio. And it will randomly matchmake you with a clan. That doesn't help.

I'm actually wondering if you're allowed to use Guided Games if you're already in a clan at all.

So the solo player who initiates the matchmaking should learn to read.


On the second point they have shown UI that gives you both the option to guide or be guided on the same screen so I think you can.

 

[Spence]

I don't undestand why it should be complicated, matchmaking offers you the choice to find people for a specific things and either you use that or you don't.

It's easy and works just fine in a lot of mmo's why would it be any different in Destiny?

 

[Draft]

I don't undestand why it should be complicated, matchmaking offers you the choice to find people for a specific things and either you use that or you don't.

It's easy and works just fine in a lot of mmo's why would it be any different in Destiny?

some bungie design lead goon has a very narrow idea of what is and is not appropriate for matchmaking.

 

[Z3M0G]

Im fine with this. I only need to experience the raid once. That is better than never in the first game.

 

[EL CUCO]

I cant wait to see the community use Guided Games in Normal, only to switch to Heroic. Eventually Bungie will have to include it because thats gonna sour the players that are actually looking for Normal Raids.

 

[Gothos]

I wouldn't be surprised if it's simple gating mechanism and the option for LFG Heroic raids will appear some time after the release or will be one the big features of the first or second DLC. Anyway, I'm pretty sure in the end it will be in the game - question is when.

 

[Salz01]

So once again they are going to lock out the best loot to a certain group. I hope they change it. It should be easy for them to change before release.

 

[MaxiLive]

Whoa this kind of exploded

It is a random decision to not implement it and is kinda insult the player base to some degree but I can understand why they have done this. Okay most people in Destiny know what they are doing but the first month or so you will have a lot of people matchmaking who just aren't good enough to complete hard or don't realise what they are getting into so there will be a lot more negative experiences for everyone involved that is the norm.

Which if that does end up being the case then the system is dead on arrival as it will just get slated for being a continually terrible experience for everyone. I'm pretty sure over time once the playerbase starts to drop and only the core remain for the most part and everyone is suitably leveled up and experienced then they can open the matchmaking to all difficulties.

I'm guessing this is a conscious choice for the first month or so to have the system seen in a more positive light as a lot of newer players may struggle and frustration will be higher.

 

[broony]

I think they will see people using it to do heroic and then add an option down the line. It's a bit weird but it's funny as fuck seeing people say they are not going to buy the game because of it.

 

[The Greek Freak]

The people I ran hard mode raids with I met through normal mode LFG runs. I built up a rapport with those people and we were able to schedule time outside of Destiny to be able to commit. Anecdotally, every time I tried to fill a hole in my group either here or on another site for hard it never panned out.

After the first 2 weeks a raid was out I had a 90-95% raid even heroic raid success rate when using subreddits and other crappy third party sites.

Honestly forming the party was usually more annoying and harder to do than basically any bossfight.

I think they will see people using it to do heroic and then add an option down the line. It's a bit weird but it's funny as fuck seeing people say they are not going to buy the game because of it.

Why is it funny?

I LOVED aspects of the first destiny, but my gaming time is limited, and burning 20-30 minutes using de facto match making on some third party site was my least favorite time spent related to gaming in years besides motion control aspects of otherwise good Nintendo games.

I'm not interested in wasting my time like that again, and there are so many good games constantly coming out why would I buy something that requires me to spend a bunch of time doing shit I HATE just because they want consistent raid groups to feel good about their e-dicks which would magically fall off if proper matchmaking was implemented.

 

[Lukemon]

I don't see the problem here, and I'm not sure people who refused to use LFG sites really understand the long game aspect of it. Yes, you are primarily searching for a group to play with immediately but if you click with players, you end up adding them. Before too long, you end up with a healthy friends list full of active players, most likely even winding up with a clan in the process. At least half my friend list is Destiny players that started as randoms, and I haven't had to use an LFG site for anything since Crota's End first came out thanks to them.

If you somehow manage to use GG for enough endgame activities to get geared up for a Heroic raid and you still haven't added (or been added by) good players you've met or been invited into a clan to organise your own runs, the problem is most likely one that matchmaking wouldn't solve.

 

[Spence]

I don't see the problem here, and I'm not sure people who refused to use LFG sites really understand the long game aspect of it. Yes, you are primarily searching for a group to play with immediately but if you click with players, you end up adding them. Before too long, you end up with a healthy friends list full of active players, most likely even winding up with a clan in the process. At least half my friend list is Destiny players that started as randoms, and I haven't had to use an LFG site for anything since Crota's End first came out thanks to them.

If you somehow manage to use GG for enough endgame activities to get geared up for a Heroic raid and you still haven't added (or been added by) good players you've met or been invited into a clan to organise your own runs, the problem is most likely one that matchmaking wouldn't solve.

People who play games that have matchmaking don't have any problem befriending people, joining guilds or other type of social interaction.

Everyone in Destiny is using external tools for the same thing anyway, can't you see?

 

[Breads]

Better than nothing?

For goal oriented purposes this is literally nothing.

 

[The Greek Freak]

Before too long, you end up with a healthy friends list full of active players, most likely even winding up with a clan in the process..

Too bad the clan features in Destiny 1 were nonexistent in game, trash on the website, and miles away from even what we had in HALO 2 for the original xbox.

 

[broony]

Why is it funny?

I LOVED aspects of the first destiny, but my gaming time is limited, and burning 20-30 minutes using de facto match making on some third party site was my least favorite time spent related to gaming in years besides motion control aspects of otherwise good Nintendo games.

I'm not interested in wasting my time like that again, and there are so many good games constantly coming out why would I buy something that requires me to spend a bunch of time doing shit I HATE just because they want consistent raid groups to feel good about their e-dicks which would magically fall off if proper matchmaking was implemented.

It's funny as fuck people saying they are not buying the game Because people believe the fact that getting into a heroic version being ever so slightly more inconvenient than doing the normal version, outweighs all the extra cool shit that d2 is bringing.

Forget fun shooting, varied content, great challenges, loot addiction, amazing worlds. If I can't get into a couple activities without 2 minutes of extra button pressing then fuck it I'm not buying the game. Drama.

It makes me wonder as well, why people who want to be playing these heroic activities, which take a fair bit of investment to get levelled enough to gain access to, have made no effort to make a few friends along the way. The whole point of the game is playing with others.

 

[chogidogs]

I don't know how GG would work directly but what's stopping a clan from telling people that they are going for hard mode instead of the regular one?

You can label your invite as such, right?

 

[broony]

Too bad the clan features in Destiny 1 were nonexistent in game, trash on the website, and miles away from even what we had in HALO 2 for the original xbox.

D2 has these features though.

 

[The Greek Freak]

It's funny as fuck people saying they are not buying the game Because people believe the fact that getting into a heroic version being ever so slightly more inconvenient than doing the normal version, outweighs all the extra cool shit that d2 is bringing.

Forget fun shooting, varied content, great challenges, loot addiction, amazing worlds. If I can't get into a couple activities without 2 minutes of extra button pressing then fuck it I'm not buying the game. Drama.

It makes me wonder as well, why people who want to be playing these heroic activities, which take a fair bit of investment to get levelled enough to gain access to, have made no effort to make a few friends along the way. The whole point of the game is playing with others.

If I wanted to spent time doing inconvenient things I would go for a run, clean, or get ahead on my work, not pay money to play a video game.

Destiny 1 heroic raids did not require much "investment" unless you were trying to be one of the first groups to clear the raid.

Drama? Yes not wanting to buy a game because it is missing features games a decade older have is drama? What world do you live in.

 

[dh4niel]

Aaaaand I'm not playing it.

 

[wesleyshark]

Good.

 

[Lukemon]

Too bad the clan features in Destiny 1 were nonexistent in game, trash on the website, and miles away from even what we had in HALO 2 for the original xbox.

This is sadly true, although the shortcomings can mostly be overcome on a system level using group/party chats and friend lists. Looks a lot better in D2, too.

People who play games that have matchmaking don't have any problem befriending people, joining guilds or other type of social interaction.

Everyone in Destiny is using external tools for the same thing anyway, can't you see?

Sure, but it's quite different in this case. I'm pretty sure anyone who has used LFG and landed in a group with five solo randoms would agree that Raid matchmaking is a horrible idea, particularly for Heroic. It'd actively put players off the content, if anything.

 

[broony]

If I wanted to spent time doing inconvenient things I would go for a run, clean, or get ahead on my work, not pay money to play a video game.

Destiny 1 heroic raids did not require much "investment" unless you were trying to be one of the first groups to clear the raid.

Drama? Yes not wanting to buy a game because it is missing features games a decade older have is drama? What world do you live in.

Holy shit

I was going to invite you to my clan and everything.

 

[Azull]

Holy shit

I was going to invite you to my clan and everything.

LOL.

 

[Mindwipe]

It's amazing that Bungie don't get that Destiny was the least social social game ever. They made a few, baby steps towards making it better but are screwing those up too.

Seriously, you shouldn't have to go outside the game to find people to play anything with. Ever. Ever ever ever. It's that simple.

 

[broony]

It's amazing that Bungie don't get that Destiny was the least social social game ever. They made a few, baby steps towards making it better but are screwing those up too.

Seriously, you shouldn't have to go outside the game to find people to play anything with. Ever. Ever ever ever. It's that simple.

I think they do get it.

They have added in game clan systems to more easily organise groups, giving rewards for joining a group and recruiting to your group.

They have added guided games to help introduce people to clans, to give people to play with.

With the map they are showing public event timers, so everyone knows when they are happening and heads to them. It's all improvement over d1.

Will be interesting to see if they have changed how people interact in social spaces. I see they added a football pitch to the farm, wonder if there is anything else.

 

[LTWood12]

Send a friend request to whoever joins, add them to your fireteam. Start hard mode. Yeah I can definitely see how this outrage is merited :Kappa:

 

[hank_tree]

Hopefully by doing normal mode Guided Games etc. you are going to end up with a friend list of people you can trust to run heroic with and/or join a clan yourself. Not a big deal.

 

[Zemm]

Considering they already have iLevels implemented there's no reason for this. You don't need to let people matchmake before they have the gear necessary to tackle heroic mode, but once they do why not let them? It's not going to be the clusterfuck of undergeared people trying to get carried like Bungie seems to think.

 

[MaximusPayne]

Too bad Anthem is not coming out sooner. They could nab a lot of pissed off Destiny players.

 

[madmackem]

Ffs bungee, one step forward two steps back, how do they not get this. Every mode every activity should have matchmaking, I don't buy there ohh the experience could be made worse, so fucking what it might be so we won't do it we are all grown ups let us play the fucking game how we want. It's why I stopped playing I was hardcore into Destiny thousand hours or more put in but people started to drop so raids groups became harder and harder to make. Matchmaking would fix that issue in a heartbeat.

 

[What A Time To Be Alive]

I dont really have a problem with this but I can see why people do.

It sucks for people who dont really have any friends to try to do the real endgame (lets br honest normal raids aint shit, heroic is where its at).

 

[ethomaz]

That is how it should work.

Nice.

 

[Waylon Drums]

I loved Destiny and played the shit out of it during the first year, but my interest fell off a cliff after that. Matchmaking would have helped.

I'm actually happy about this!!!,

There is nothing wrong with going to LFG and finding a group. Yes guided games does sound like a good solution, but it feels like its was introduced to help get new people into a raid instead of finding a group.

I will never understand this reaction. "I wouldn't have used it so I'm happy no one can!!!,"

That is how it should work.

Nice.

Or we could just have matchmaking and if you don't want to use it, don't use it.

 

[Bold One]

That is how it should work.

Nice.

Not for Nightfalls it isn't.

Too bad Anthem is not coming out sooner. They could nab a lot of pissed off Destiny players.

FFS stop.

 

[Vince DiCola]

Lol the outrage cracks me up. I doubt this affects many people on here, most were already willing to shit on the game for any reason available.

You have to tackle the normal level raids for some time before you can jump into hard mode. The in game lfg will help you find groups you're compatible with, and then you can move on to the hard level with those people.

Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer matchmaking for everything, but people act like this is the end of the world when it's hardly an issue.

Whatever, back to the hate train everybody, there's work to do!

Exactly, and I'm sure Bungie are able to change it in the future but it's hardly a huge issue.
But hey! Anthem is gonna kill Destiny so let's just overreact to anything Destiny related until then

Whathe exactly is the huge deal here anyway? Guided games is there to help solo or pairs of players find an experienced group to play with, surely normal mode is the best place to see if you are compatible together and there is nothing stopping this new group exchanging friend requests and organising a hard raid themselves. Surely the point of guided games is to get individuals to find groups and start organising raids themselves? Maybe I'm crazy, I dunno

 

[Projenitor]

Raids i can understand. Dont agree, but i get it.

Someone explain the rationale behind doing this for the nightfall. I mean seriously.

 

[lawtowler]

Fully understand why this is causing such a strong reaction from a lot of people. Personally I won't be affected as I have enough people to run raids with, plus with the in-game clan functionality now I'll be able to grow my clan to a point where we'll never be looking for players.

It is a strange one though, adding a difficulty setting to NF is just weird. Why are they so precious about matchmaking for NF anyway? Yes, its hard and can be frustrating but I often run it with no mic out of choice. It's really not necessary.

Hopefully this will be a decision they look at again during the life cycle of D2, the tools are in the game now so it should be possible for them to add heroic mode to it in the future.

Removing rumble? Now that bothers me. Also, no standard Clash (team deathmatch) in PvP is pretty unheard of. Not everyone wants to play objectives based matches all the time

 

[RemiLP]

After matchmaking was introduced it all became a lifeless chore. I couldn't even tell you names of characters I played with two minutes after finishing a dungeon.

Well, let me tell you something. This is exactly how it already is in Destiny for many people.

I, and many others, pretty much only use lfg sites and offical bungie forums to find teams. Do you think i know any of them? Nope. MM would just make the process of finding a team so much faster and easier.

And after you have done everything in this game multiple times, it pretty much is a lifeless chore I dont know why bungie, and some players, keep on insisting that this game is SO hard that it cant possible be done without a group of well educated gentlemen.

 

[RemiLP]

Exactly, and I'm sure Bungie are able to change it in the future but it's hardly a huge issue.
But hey! Anthem is gonna kill Destiny so let's just overreact to anything Destiny related until then

Whathe exactly is the huge deal here anyway? Guided games is there to help solo or pairs of players find an experienced group to play with, surely normal mode is the best place to see if you are compatible together and there is nothing stopping this new group exchanging friend requests and organising a hard raid themselves. Surely the point of guided games is to get individuals to find groups and start organising raids themselves? Maybe I'm crazy, I dunno

You are crazy.

People just want to start up the game, press play, and..PLAY. Not everyone wants to become friends with a group of people, and plan ahead when they want to play the game. If other people wants that, great. Keep at it, and you will have a MUCH easyer time playing through the end game like that. But its not for everyone. Let people play the way they want to. Dont force people to play a certain way, and claim its the only way to do it, its not.

 

[LTWood12]

You are crazy.

People just want to start up the game, press play, and..PLAY. Not everyone wants to become friends with a group of people, and plan ahead when they want to play the game. If other people wants that, great. Keep at it, and you will have a MUCH easyer time playing through the end game like that. But its not for everyone. Let people play the way they want to. Dont force people to play a certain way, and claim its the only way to do it, its not.

They're not forcing anyone to do anything. Raids by their very nature aren't designed to be pick up and play. There's plenty of content in the game that is though.

Side note, to anyone here worried about having people to do endgame content with, The DestinyGaf community here will be massive and there will be a ton of people to match up with in the OT or another thread if you don't want to use Guided games.

 

[MrS]

Too bad Anthem is not coming out sooner. They could nab a lot of pissed off Destiny players.

Too bad it's at least a year away and all we've seen is a vertical slice

 

[franklyshankly]

You are crazy.

People just want to start up the game, press play, and..PLAY. Not everyone wants to become friends with a group of people, and plan ahead when they want to play the game. If other people wants that, great. Keep at it, and you will have a MUCH easyer time playing through the end game like that. But its not for everyone. Let people play the way they want to. Dont force people to play a certain way, and claim its the only way to do it, its not.

Not every game can work that way though. Particularly MMO type games. In WoW you can't just fire up the game and start doing Normal, Hard, or Mythic Raids. Those require finding your own guild/group to do so. If you want to just press play and go, there is LFR difficulty. Seems Bungie is doing something similar. Guided games for normal difficulty, premades for hard. Makes sense to me.

 

[MaximusPayne]

.EDIT

 

[Azerth]

I know people are comparing it to WoW but one thing you can do in game in WoW that you cant do in Destiny is talk to everyone on your of the town. I know i would always see "lfg herioc".

 

[MaximusPayne]

FFS stop.

Truth hurts.

I stopped playing Destiny after The Taken King. I didn't get Rise of Iron because I had no reason to. All my friends had pretty much stopped playing for multiple reasons.

I was hyped with the announcement for Destiny 2 but the more info that comes out the more I am disappointed. Like I said, if Anthem were available, I would pick this up instead and I'm sure I'm not the only one that feels this way.