That hasn't been my experience at all. The stray kill or two? Sure. Getting completely blown out by a team focusing fire on individual players? That doesn't seem common at all.
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Destiny's PvP doesn't feel fun anymore
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That hasn't been my experience at all. The stray kill or two? Sure. Getting completely blown out by a team focusing fire on individual players? That doesn't seem common at all.
GodParticle
Member
I thought D1's PVP was the most bland thing ever. Can't see how it could get worse
Lol I like the new PvP, and I''m pretty critical of this franchise. Its nice for it to not be the chaotic cluster fuck that was D1, although I know that also alienates D1 PvPers so give and take.
This must be why I don't enjoy Destiny 2. They catered it to people who didn't enjoy Destiny 1 rather than the people who played and supported the game for all those years.
I like the changes in D2.
Having spent a large portion of my D1 time within PVP, going to the lighthouse 30+ times and IronBanner on the regular, these changes were needed.
D1 regressed into everything but maybe 2-3 primaries that were functional in PvP. Everything else came from Shotgun/Sniper kills and Heavy Ammo. I feel like Destiny is trying to compete with other popular shooters by providing a primary heavy gunplay model, and removing one-shot kills.
I played with a large group of people in D1, some of them were amazing at PVE, but could not hang in PVP because it was practically a different game entirely. I feel like making primary gunplay matter is what levels the playing field for folks who didn't master snap-shot headshots or blink shotgun cheese mechanics, which didn't translate to the rest of D1.
Anyone who played competitive PVP in D1 knew that you couldn't even look down certain lanes of maps because it meant instadeath. Hard-scoping, body camping, revive sniping, make one slip up and you're dead. Now it's more like Halo, where seeing someone first doesn't mean you win.
Give it some time, my friends and I had a blast in the D2 beta, not just my PVP buddies, but my PVE ones as well, and I think that's the point Bungie was trying to achieve.
Having spent a large portion of my D1 time within PVP, going to the lighthouse 30+ times and IronBanner on the regular, these changes were needed.
D1 regressed into everything but maybe 2-3 primaries that were functional in PvP. Everything else came from Shotgun/Sniper kills and Heavy Ammo. I feel like Destiny is trying to compete with other popular shooters by providing a primary heavy gunplay model, and removing one-shot kills.
I played with a large group of people in D1, some of them were amazing at PVE, but could not hang in PVP because it was practically a different game entirely. I feel like making primary gunplay matter is what levels the playing field for folks who didn't master snap-shot headshots or blink shotgun cheese mechanics, which didn't translate to the rest of D1.
Anyone who played competitive PVP in D1 knew that you couldn't even look down certain lanes of maps because it meant instadeath. Hard-scoping, body camping, revive sniping, make one slip up and you're dead. Now it's more like Halo, where seeing someone first doesn't mean you win.
Give it some time, my friends and I had a blast in the D2 beta, not just my PVP buddies, but my PVE ones as well, and I think that's the point Bungie was trying to achieve.
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igordennis
Member
I played over 6000 games of trials in Destiny 1, out of my 2.6k hours playtime in D1 like 70% of it was PVP. Destiny 2's PVP makes me sad. So yes.
Nydius
Member
Pfft, didn't even have to play competitively to run into this. It reached a point where I'd leave Pantheon if it popped up in rotation because of this. But I still disagree with the notion that Destiny 1 was a "I saw them first, they died" game. Compared to the ridiculously fast time to kill in CoD or Battlefield/Battlefront, it's not even in the same league. In CoD and BF, you can spawn and die before you even know what hit you. I almost always knew I was being shot at in Destiny and never felt - outside of running into god tier snipers or people with excellent skill at shotgun sliding - that I would die if someone initially got the drop on me.
That's why D2 beta's PvP is boring to me. D1 was already a slower time to kill game compared to similar games and now it's even slower.
lol your posts really make me shake my head.
No They are changing it because no matter how much I love destiny 1 PVP, It needed to be changed. It seems like Destiny 2 has hit a nice balance and I do think it need some tweaking. it is a good basis at least from what I played in the beta.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
The idea of 2k hours of D1 PvP makes me feel physically ill. So many fists of panic. Horrifying.
Ive never seen an edge so sharp
Twilight Gap
Member
One of the worst ranking lists I've ever seen of anything on the internet. I hope this is a joke list lol
dr_p0p7ar7_
Member
I'm sure it's been mentioned here before but I do hope that Mayhem playlist becomes a think to address the issue of supers/ability recharge times.
I get why they'd make this the default though, but it would be nice to give people an option for a less competitive/serious game mode at least.
I get why they'd make this the default though, but it would be nice to give people an option for a less competitive/serious game mode at least.
I really fucking hate to say it.
But I think my days of enjoying 30fps competitive shooters are over.
Never did I think I'd succumb to not liking my shooters at nothing under 60fps but here I am.
The PvE is just fine though.
The actual contents of the PvP itself is ok, nothing special.
But I think my days of enjoying 30fps competitive shooters are over.
Never did I think I'd succumb to not liking my shooters at nothing under 60fps but here I am.
The PvE is just fine though.
The actual contents of the PvP itself is ok, nothing special.
Absolute trash of a list.
Misterthirsty
Member
Why not make osoris permanent? This seems like the over complex solution that has a larger risk of driving away players.
Case in point.
Pandora012
Member
The thing is D1 already had a mode for 3v3, Trials was just there to provide a prize. The only difference is the gear and planet
Twilight Gap
Member
Same. I want to like D2's multiplayer so bad, but the PvP in the beta is cabals.
xplicitone
Member
You must be referring to Siege because Destiny2.exe is called Teamshot: The Game
igordennis
Member
What can i say, Trials of Osiris captivated me. Not only that but the real reason any of us dgaffers have over 2k hours or whatever (some gaffers have 6-8k hours) was the social aspect. PVP was fun (when it wasn't downright enraging) because it allowed me to do stuff like this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6ByDlVww_w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBcelJXsWO8
But that alone isn't enough for me to play so much. I played that much because of the friends that i made in DGAF and the people that you could help in trials.
Man, I hope people aren't banking on a TF2 style turnaround here. The TF2 beta was meh and the final game was my GOTY. Expecting that type of turnaround for any game seems ripe for disappointment.
But I do it all the time. How else can I find out what the face of my victim looks like?
People complaining about getting killed by supers and grenades. You know you can move around right? If someone comes at me that probably means they have super or something insta-kill happening so I high tail it out of there. In D2, I'm like what's up motherfucker?
Haven't played a lick of Siege sooooooooo nah. Maybe it's just not as common as you like to think
That's been my experience as well. And like Igor above, the three of us have, individually, 2K hours ea. in D1 PvP, easy.
Add me to the list of people who thought Destiny PvP was never all that great to begin with. It's not terrible but nothing I'd want to spend an extended amount of time with. Especially unfortunate with Bungie having just come off Halo which I still love.
Didn't try PvP in the Destiny 2 beta but I'm honestly not that enthused to jump into Destiny 2 right away regardless.
Didn't try PvP in the Destiny 2 beta but I'm honestly not that enthused to jump into Destiny 2 right away regardless.
Twilight Gap
Member
You can strafe and jump in Halo. In Destiny 2, you have to hug a corner and aim down your sight with a pulse rifle to throw bullets into someone until you trade or one of you eventually falls down.
Both devs have been around the block enough to know what to do. The question is will Bungie actually do the changes it needs.
Pandora012
Member
.....lol no.
Eppy Thatcher
God's had his chance.
Played all through all the expansions. Watched bungie nerf my favorite guns into oblivion. Watched shotguns rise and fall and rise and fall and rise again. I've had matches in D1 where i was ghost of death. BladeDancing fools into the darkness 3 or 4 times in a single (longer) match.
Nothing about ANY of this was bad. Even remotely so. Depending on what the hot primary was for each expansion you had an avenue to get kills if your aim was on point. You could snipe out or run down with shotguns/fusion (and Pocket Infinity was THE best thing ever... until it got turned into a literal Nerf weapon.). Rockets and swords and Lasers going crazy when the heavy dropped was amazing because everyone had to be fearful. Making two clips out of a machine gun do the damn thing and score like 6 or 7 kills was amazing.
I didn't have a single "moment" to latch onto and call amazing in all the Beta time i had this go around. Not a single PvP match where things were just fun. Win or lose. The guns were meh, 4v4 is meh, the small level size is meh. Why play anything other than a titan? the crawling... plodding... SLOW af charge on your grenade is .... just strange.
I wanted to like this. Not love... not adore.. just like the PvP. I can't even play a match with my whole fireteam. Two of us need to sit out and do what? No strikes without that third man... sit around that boring farm?
I've settled into the understand that im just not the audience Bungie wants. What I enjoy in PvP is NOT what this game is going to be. I don't know at this point if the PvE is going to be worth it for me. as someone who had two weekly standing dates with my 5 closest friends to chip away at progression and raids and go crucible and IB whenever we had free time or needed the gear... i'm disappointed to say the least.
And probably bowing out. feels bad.gif
Nothing about ANY of this was bad. Even remotely so. Depending on what the hot primary was for each expansion you had an avenue to get kills if your aim was on point. You could snipe out or run down with shotguns/fusion (and Pocket Infinity was THE best thing ever... until it got turned into a literal Nerf weapon.). Rockets and swords and Lasers going crazy when the heavy dropped was amazing because everyone had to be fearful. Making two clips out of a machine gun do the damn thing and score like 6 or 7 kills was amazing.
I didn't have a single "moment" to latch onto and call amazing in all the Beta time i had this go around. Not a single PvP match where things were just fun. Win or lose. The guns were meh, 4v4 is meh, the small level size is meh. Why play anything other than a titan? the crawling... plodding... SLOW af charge on your grenade is .... just strange.
I wanted to like this. Not love... not adore.. just like the PvP. I can't even play a match with my whole fireteam. Two of us need to sit out and do what? No strikes without that third man... sit around that boring farm?
I've settled into the understand that im just not the audience Bungie wants. What I enjoy in PvP is NOT what this game is going to be. I don't know at this point if the PvE is going to be worth it for me. as someone who had two weekly standing dates with my 5 closest friends to chip away at progression and raids and go crucible and IB whenever we had free time or needed the gear... i'm disappointed to say the least.
And probably bowing out. feels bad.gif
Bollocks.
Absolute bollocks.
The rythum is different sure, but it's still completely a dueling game.
If you're doing that you're simply playing it wrong and no wonder you're not enjoying it.
The Jazz Cabbage Master
Member
😂
The answer is no. Respawn's issue was the incredibly long build times on Titans and general game speed stuff they could tweak until perfection. Some of Bungie's issue is core gameplay design choice. No amount of back-end value tweaking is going to fix the dual primary system, for example.
yanipheonu
Member
I liked the PVP well enough, but I've yet to see a compelling reason why Control couldn't be more than 4v4. Just bump the player count up for God's sakes.
I mean, this is a game where you can literally glide, teleport or dodge roll so...
I mean, this is a game where you can literally glide, teleport or dodge roll so...
shoepolishsmelling
Member
I imagine it will feel different for awhile, of course it being a beta everything isnt final so I think it's important to remember that.
It looks pretty, I for one can't wait for the whole game.
Should we expect almost the same small worlds?
It looks pretty, I for one can't wait for the whole game.
Should we expect almost the same small worlds?
Sounds you're equating it to Mayhem.
If y'all want a neutered shooter just go play Halo 2 Rifles Only.
Seeing how divisive the beta has been I'm sure Bungie will swing the pendulum the other way. The question is will it be enough?
Maps are designed around 4v4. A higher player count would be a shitshow. With 4v4 the map feels crowded already.
Judging by the playable area in the strike and the IGN First video released today i'm expecting huge worlds to explore.
I watched my friend clutch out multiple LMS situations in an extremely limited amount of beta playtime while playing Countdown. I did it myself as well, it's still possible. The only difference is that you don't get to pack around a 1HK weapon all match now.
I mean that first video is a great example of what a trash experience D1 had become. People running exotics that nullified the attempted balance changes to the secondary weapons. Good riddance.
I fucking loved Trials, but the more it dragged on, the less it became about gun skill, but instead running the most bullshit load out possible. The last time I played seriously, the Bladedancer exotic that made skip grenades track and gave you two was the most rage enducing shit I had ever played in a MP game.
Head.spawn
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Toni
Member
Secondaries ran rampant in Destiny when they nerfed primaries at the end of Y1.
Instead of balancing the three exotic hand cannons that dominated the meta in a surgical way, they nuked the whole weapon class from orbit.
Those HCs kept snipers in check (Hawkmoon was great for this) and punished people aping with a shotgun (TLW, anyone?).
The flat footed pulse rifle meta that bloomed, to start Y2 after, was the precursor for the stale, static gunplay in D2's beta-meta.
Without strong primaries to keep the one hit kill weapons in check, all sorts of less successful changes to the sandbox were implemented to try and make shotties and snipers less prominent.
In D2, we're saddled with two primaries, both still weak, and our special weapons have been removed from the game for large swaths of time in both pve and pvp. Instead of buffing primaries, the ttk has gotten even slower. Movement has been slowed down.
All this is a reaction to the first unnecessary wave of nerfs that totally ruined Destiny's PvP at the end of year one.
Strong primaries challenge secondaries. They reward gunskill. They increase the skill gap.
Things have been getting worse for Destiny pvp with every balance patch. Most hardcore PvPers I know would rather play Y1, vanilla balance than any since (even with the warts and bumps--it wasn't perfect). It was fast, it was fun, primaries were powerful and special/power weapons were not a problem.
Instead of balancing the three exotic hand cannons that dominated the meta in a surgical way, they nuked the whole weapon class from orbit.
Those HCs kept snipers in check (Hawkmoon was great for this) and punished people aping with a shotgun (TLW, anyone?).
The flat footed pulse rifle meta that bloomed, to start Y2 after, was the precursor for the stale, static gunplay in D2's beta-meta.
Without strong primaries to keep the one hit kill weapons in check, all sorts of less successful changes to the sandbox were implemented to try and make shotties and snipers less prominent.
In D2, we're saddled with two primaries, both still weak, and our special weapons have been removed from the game for large swaths of time in both pve and pvp. Instead of buffing primaries, the ttk has gotten even slower. Movement has been slowed down.
All this is a reaction to the first unnecessary wave of nerfs that totally ruined Destiny's PvP at the end of year one.
Strong primaries challenge secondaries. They reward gunskill. They increase the skill gap.
Things have been getting worse for Destiny pvp with every balance patch. Most hardcore PvPers I know would rather play Y1, vanilla balance than any since (even with the warts and bumps--it wasn't perfect). It was fast, it was fun, primaries were powerful and special/power weapons were not a problem.
Twilight Gap
Member
Amen.
I'll never understand how things got this bad. It doesn't even seem like there is a vision for the PvP; god knows how Bungie went from setting an example for PvP multiplayer to whatever this is.
Save us, Jason Jones.