I've joined many a MM games and invited everyone to a party so we can community and surely it should still be the option for people who don't have the friends ? I get your point but it's just an extra option that I think should be there for people because it doesn't mess anything up for the people with friends
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Destiny's raids will not support online matchmaking with random players.
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I've joined many a MM games and invited everyone to a party so we can community and surely it should still be the option for people who don't have the friends ? I get your point but it's just an extra option that I think should be there for people because it doesn't mess anything up for the people with friends
JetBlackPanda
Member
wow.
one mode that has <10% of content is a buying factor for you?
The video explains that the end game is more then just the raid. Literately every other thing to do in Destiny has matchmaking.
I agree it should be an option, at the very least you guys would play for a bit get killed and then quit whatever it doesn't effect me.
but to say that this one decisions destroys the entire game is crazy.
Why make it do we have to do that when they could just do matchmaking?
Xamtheking
Member
So, again, you won't buy Destiny because you won't be able to do the Raids
Even though there are many other end-game options with random matchmaking
Like Nightfall missions and High Level Strikes
Maybe it's because Bungie wants to make a Raid feel different from a Strike in the sense that you HAVE to know who you are going into the Raid with.
Makes it more of an experience and less of a cheap-ass grindfest.
You're right, I should have elaborated. My post two responses up outlines my issues with LFR. To be fair the post I was referring to was speaking about LFR.
I imagine it's because it would require compromises that Bungie doesn't want to make. They don't want to put in a "Play this piece of content in a way that will probably turn out shitty" button, and they don't want to redesign raids to work with random uncoordinated groups.
If you still really want to try, the game lets you make/join open fireteams. (I'm assuming this is how it works until it's been confirmed otherwise.
There's no truth in that.
Classes have builds designed to help your team, and raids will require player coordination to progress. Randoms aren't going to have much luck.
Jest Chillin
Member
To be honest I kind of used your post as an excuse to post the specifics since a lot of people won't actually read the entirety of the article.
What? Horde mode is... horde mode. A dps race in more mmo terms is a certain phase or mechanic of a fight. Think something like ffxiv boss fights like titan's heart or ifrit's nails.
Admiral Woofington
Member
I visited the beta ot regularly and usually whenever I saw somebody saying "looking for someone to play" another responded. It'll be much easier with clans as well if the list is added to the game itself so you can just scroll to clan members and invite them.
So let people matched together talk. Problem solved.
It's just for the high level, end game stuff. Not the whole game.
I think that's still stupid but people really need to start improving their reading comprehension.
I understand why the idea is getting negative feedback. But also keep in mind this is a multiple hour raid. What are the chances that nobody from your 6 man pickup team will bail on you halfway through your raid? If one or two people bail, everyone will start to bail because the raid is now not really doable. I'm betting you will get a 2-5% success rate of 6 people in a pick-up group actually sticking through it for the multiple hours it takes to complete. The other 95-98% of the time will be disappointment as you have to bail from the raid early because group members decided to leave.
So I get why this is bad, but ultimately, I think they want you to join a clan and find groups of like-minded people that way.
So I get why this is bad, but ultimately, I think they want you to join a clan and find groups of like-minded people that way.
Stop telling us what's fun or not please. Come up with a new argument cause this one is silly.
Goodacre0081
Member
OP you might want to make that Destiny GAF banner a click-able link
Xamtheking
Member
Pray tell why, sir
Well a lot of people aren't going to be able to play them now because of this stupid decision, I don't have 5 other friends getting a PS4 and Destiny. I'd rather have the option for matchmaking even if it is hard than not have the option to play it at all.
Also everything else has matchmaking. So you don't need to look for anyone. In fact normal missions can just be done alone.
Raids are dungeons but really hard and long ones. Most MMOs don't have many of them when they launch. WoW only had a handful when they came out a lot of people don't even play them.
Go play games with raids with random people and then come back and tell me if you still think that.
Meh. Their comments don't mean a whole lot about difficulty. Randoms generally sucked in strikes and public events, so they'd be even worse in a raid. Plus, if length is as stated, then randoms dropping out would be terrible. Regardless, I look forward to it. I just hope I don't have to do it too much, because I'm just not fond of having to chat that long. PEACE.
go read one of the hundred posts in this thread already explaining why in full detail
Netherscourge
Banned
So Destiny's true end-game will be having to find several hours of uninterrupted free time.
...and unbalanced PvP.
Eh - sounds like every other sub-based MMORPG out there.
Of course, everyone keeps telling me Destiny is not a MMO.
....right. it WANTS to be an MMORPG. It just can't figure out how to do it yet.
Hopefully Activision-Blizzard steps in and shows Bungie the joy of Matchmaking for Dungeons and Raids.
Console gamers are a casual/mainstream bunch for the MOST part. It's mostly about pick-up and play gaming. Trying to transfer the more hardcore PC MMORPG crowd over to a console, with limited Social/UI options is a recipe for disaster.
Matchmaking must happen, for all co-op modes, or this will flop hard.
...and unbalanced PvP.
Eh - sounds like every other sub-based MMORPG out there.
Of course, everyone keeps telling me Destiny is not a MMO.
....right. it WANTS to be an MMORPG. It just can't figure out how to do it yet.
Hopefully Activision-Blizzard steps in and shows Bungie the joy of Matchmaking for Dungeons and Raids.
Console gamers are a casual/mainstream bunch for the MOST part. It's mostly about pick-up and play gaming. Trying to transfer the more hardcore PC MMORPG crowd over to a console, with limited Social/UI options is a recipe for disaster.
Matchmaking must happen, for all co-op modes, or this will flop hard.
Xamtheking
Member
You need friends?
Just look here in GAF.
I wanted to know his personal thoughts on the matter
Why is a random person who jumps into a raid they know is long more likely to jump out versus a friend? I mean, I can suppose they are more likely to so e degree, but they're acting like matchmaking will somehow bring in people not wanting to actually complete the raid.
It´s a risky move to make in the current time when gamers want to see every content with the least amount of effort.
I think it will cost them some sales for sure but i don´t think it´s a bad idea but only if it is really "hard".
If the raid is then so easy that randoms could have done it as well they will be in for a lot of complaints.
I think it will cost them some sales for sure but i don´t think it´s a bad idea but only if it is really "hard".
If the raid is then so easy that randoms could have done it as well they will be in for a lot of complaints.
There's not an ounce of truth. While I played the beta, Nova Bomb was a great asset during the strike as a Warlock. And that's only the first subclass. Imagine what the second subclasses will be in the final game.
If the only thing you do in Destiny is shooting, I don't know how can you even complete a strike.
OmegaTreeFish
Banned
Its one part of several things. And if this is the main end game content for top gear its a pretty big thing to miss out on.
Limited content. PvP I'm not that interested in and now this. Can't say for sure till its out but my hype has kinda plummeted.
So you can do High Level Strikes and Nightfall missions with Matchmaking and be having a wonderful time working up your gear so you can finally raid and then oops! You don't have friends. No pinnacle of the content for you.
Yeh that's something good I can fall back on I guess. Unfortunately, not everyone has GAF .
This is the issue. As of right now there will be no way to setup your group in the game, you are forced to find it outside the game. The clan system needs to be better if the raid is locked behind this wall. Until it is improved this is a bullshit decision.
Xamtheking
Member
So if only one mode doesn't have matchmaking the game will flop
That's like saying in a Mario game if every world doesn't have a secret level it will flop IMO
Boombloxer
Member
Join the chat and say: "Who wants to <x>?"
No problem with this decision, really. I'd only raid with people I know anyway, in BL2, was the same thing, in SWG, etc same thing.
2-3 hours of hard-ass shit means I need to know you can play.
Jest Chillin
Member
That doesn't solve the issues that will arise at all. You will not only need communication but also build coordination. You will need people that are invested in attempts and won't just quit after they've gotten a specific piece of loot or had too many failures for their taste.
Anyone that has played MMORPG's knows the pitfalls of grouping with random people for difficult content. The entire reason why WoW nerfs the difficulty of the Looking For Raid game option is to make it harder for failure to happen so that people won't bail or cost the rest of the group. It's also an easy way for them to claim that everyone can see all of the content.
Ivory Samoan
Gold Member
JetBlackPanda
Member
Honestly if people want to throw themselves at a raid with randoms let them. If the difficultly is where Bungie says it is whats the big deal?
how about a message:
Vault of Glass is a difficult mode that requires coordination with your team. Chat is required and the time to complete can be longer then normal content.
Bungie has done their part and if people want to unplug their mic go ahead. the raid will fail anyways.
won't people naturally try and find friends to get it done at that point? and there is always a chance that 6 randoms will have the time of their life.
how about a message:
Vault of Glass is a difficult mode that requires coordination with your team. Chat is required and the time to complete can be longer then normal content.
Bungie has done their part and if people want to unplug their mic go ahead. the raid will fail anyways.
won't people naturally try and find friends to get it done at that point? and there is always a chance that 6 randoms will have the time of their life.
Sho_Nuff82
Member
This sounds like Halo 3's abhorrent restrictions on matchmaking in co-op. Fuck off with this shit Bungie, I don't always have 4 friends willing to jump into a match on a map that I want to play.
Lol shooting and supers is all there is. A different super isn't much of a big help.
Ingueferroque
Banned
But I have no friends.
Dude, the classes according to the beta were not that different when it comes to roles. A lot of it came down to them dealing damage in different ways. That may expand to be a much greater difference in the full game, but the beta did not represent that.
Kun Aguero
Member
Can't wait until 3 or 4 months after launch when DGAF numbers have fallen, will be fun watching them complain they can't get 6 players together for a raid.
1 class throws a grenade and another class jumps in the air and throws a grenade.
Seems similar to me.