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Deutschland 83 - spy thriller set in 1980's Germany -SundanceTV - [S2 to air in 2018]
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neogaffer1
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I liked the episode. Felt the romantic thing with the handler came out of nowhere, though.
neogaffer1
Banned
Him being gay? I don't remember them making that apparent.
Good episode. Damn, that was dark when he was considering letting Linda drown. I liked the parallel with them skinny dipping like Annett and Thomas did in an earlier episode. Sure enough it cuts to Annett and Thomas shortly after that scene. Awkward convo between Mrs Edel and Yvonne there. Pretty slick how Martin diverted attention to Henrik Mayer, but it was pretty naive of him to not realize that Linda had a thing going on with Mayer. That's where it all went downhill (not quality-wise 
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Poor Linda. Couldn't really tell if it was genuine affection for Linda, or just reacting due to his general sense of humanity that he got somebody killed. Maybe a mix I guess. I'm curious to see how Martin continues from this point, this has to test his motivation. Not really sure how this commune thing will pan out, but damn, guy moves on pretty quickly lol. Not sure about the Tobias-Alexander plot so far but willing to give it a few episodes.
"Trust is good, scrutiny is better." I liked that quote.
Here's next week's preview. Don't forget to spoiler tag discussion and all, if there is any the previews don't give too much to go on I guess.
)Poor Linda. Couldn't really tell if it was genuine affection for Linda, or just reacting due to his general sense of humanity that he got somebody killed. Maybe a mix I guess. I'm curious to see how Martin continues from this point, this has to test his motivation. Not really sure how this commune thing will pan out, but damn, guy moves on pretty quickly lol. Not sure about the Tobias-Alexander plot so far but willing to give it a few episodes.
"Trust is good, scrutiny is better." I liked that quote.
Here's next week's preview. Don't forget to spoiler tag discussion and all, if there is any
the previews don't give too much to go on I guess.That's a popular German proverb. Go figure.
I think Martin is tackling Yvonn because
she was the only one that had seen him with Linda
AFAIK it's a famous Lenin quote that turned into a proverb.
Reading up on it, apparently it's a German translation of a Russian saying as quoted by Lenin. Interesting coming from Kramer.
It's often used here though.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
I finally got caught up on this and I'm digging it quite a bit. As a fan of 'The Americans', I love that this is sort of like 'The anti-Americans' in many ways. The pace is absolutely breakneck - I expected them to get a little/a bunch more mileage out of the bug that Martin planted under the desk at the end of last week's episode, and was caught completely off guard when it was immediately discovered in the beginning of episode 4. And then the entire situation with the secretary and how it spiraled out of control in such a short amount of time...I love that this show isn't interested in being the "set up a plotline that won't pay off for 3 more seasons" type show that The Americans is (again, even though I really enjoy The Americans). It's just pure pulp/pop fun.
dead souls
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Yeah, it's the anti-Americans for sure Ratsky. I actually like this show.
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RatskyWatsky
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Is it Wednesday yet?
Cornballer
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Ja.
New episode tonight:
I'm a couple of episodes behind on this but hope to catch up this week.
RatskyWatsky
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YES
Cornballer
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dead souls
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Fun episode.
neogaffer1
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That episode was sogood.gif. The Edel family turmoil, the unintended consequences of
, the callousness of the Stasi,
--damn. This show legit crushes anything else on TV right now, just damn.
giving a bomber a package
the traitorousness of Annett
Uh yeah liked it quite a bit. The characterization is getting deeper and deeper. I really liked Leonore this episode propbably because she showed some actual compassion for her sister. Though in the end I guess you never know what's true and what's not with this show.
Also as a German I think they put a lot of thought into little details like the way people speak (there are some distinctive western and eastern phrases and words). Stuff that is lost in the subs but also not really important.
I also really start to like Alex, allthough he has the dorkiest hair cut ever. I like how he confronted the Bhagwan guy.
The aids refrence felt a bit forced though.
Also as a German I think they put a lot of thought into little details like the way people speak (there are some distinctive western and eastern phrases and words). Stuff that is lost in the subs but also not really important.
I also really start to like Alex, allthough he has the dorkiest hair cut ever. I like how he confronted the Bhagwan guy.
The aids refrence felt a bit forced though.
TanookiTom
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I watched the first episode and I really enjoyed it, which surprised me. Judging from what I've seen so far I think it's definitely on a level playing field with some top international shows out there. Not sure if I should wait for the German broadcast or continue watching it now. I am intrigued!
And while I can see how the show could also appeal to American viewers, I am wondering if many of the small details, jokes and allusions to the inner-German divide (which make are a good part of what makes show great imo) are not lost on them?
Edit: fun fact: I never know that there was an English version of Major Tom (Völlig losgelöst) by Peter Schilling (?) which they decided to use for the shows (awesome) opening. I suppose they'll change it to the original for the German release?
And while I can see how the show could also appeal to American viewers, I am wondering if many of the small details, jokes and allusions to the inner-German divide (which make are a good part of what makes show great imo) are not lost on them?
Edit: fun fact: I never know that there was an English version of Major Tom (Völlig losgelöst) by Peter Schilling (?) which they decided to use for the shows (awesome) opening. I suppose they'll change it to the original for the German release?
Cornballer
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New episode tonight:
Cornballer
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dead souls
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That was a great episode.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Got behind again, got caught up again. These last two episodes have been quite good.
neogaffer1
Banned
This last episode was pretty fucking great, this series may have stumbled a bit in the beginning but it has delivered nonstop with some of the best TV I've ever seen without pause.
Good episode. Had a good laugh after they found the interior minister hiding. "Nobody hears about this, understood?" Wonder how General Edel will react to Yvonne and Martin. Also wonder if it's going to turn out that Tobias actually is infected and transmitted it to Alexander.
Cornballer
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New episode tonight:
Patrick Bateman
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Wow, this looks interesting.
RatskyWatsky
Hunky Nostradamus
Only two episodes left!
Cornballer
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Mr. Saturn
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Uh is this show meant to be a one and done deal, because I cannot fathom how they could ever do a second season now that Martin has confessed to being a spy.
neogaffer1
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Mr. Saturn
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Oh so it is? That's cool if that's the case. Better to end on a strong note (hopefully) then to drag the show out, even though up until the most recent episode I figured any potential second season would have been quite good.
Now it would feel a little silly, considering I don't see how this could ever resolved in a way that would make it possible for a second season without being bullshit.
Edit: I could be wrong about all this, but right now its hard to see the show resolving the fact that Martin confessed in an organic to allow for a second season which is why I'm its a one shot show. If the show wants to try and it works that's great, I would welcome that, but its hard to fathom.
Tim the Wiz
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Pretty sure THR called it a miniseries in their review.
And I know Sundance have aired some from the UK in the past, like The Honourable Woman and One Child.
I've read somewhere that the next seasons would be Deutschland 86 and Deutschland 89.
Tim the Wiz
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Oh, really? I wonder if they'll stick with the same protaganist, or go with the Fargo/AHS model.
neogaffer1
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No i just was going to ask the same question so I quoted you to show that I also wanted to know.
Don't worry he'll die of
AIDS
Cornballer
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Season finale tonight:
Cornballer
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Good finale. I'm glad the writers neither resolved all arcs nor tried to set up a second season. This ambiguous ending is probably the most believable and realistic one.
One important detail the subtitles missed:
It all depends on the ratings in Germany and the show hasn't aired there yet. So tell your German friends to watch the show on RTL.
One important detail the subtitles missed:
At Schweppenstette's interrogation of Ingrid Schweppenstette says "Leave Martin out of this" according to the subs. He actually says "Leave our boy out of this".
Can't believe it's over.
Has it been a succes though? I would love to see more of this.
It all depends on the ratings in Germany and the show hasn't aired there yet. So tell your German friends to watch the show on RTL.
Cornballer
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From Andy Greenwald, who interviewed the two showrunners recently:
Sepinwall also noted, regarding the future of the show:
Really hope Deutschland 86 and 89 end up happening. What a great first season, just really enjoyable overall.
Loved the shot of General Edel staring out of his house with the loneliness and emptiness looming around him. Was pretty clear that Schweppenstette was Martin's father but it was still a pretty strong moment when Ingrid actually said it to Annett. That's lame that the subs were wrong on the scene with Schweppenstette and Ingrid, that would've made that a little stronger at the end, but I guess the effect is still there in retrospect. Martin was great, getting shit done like he has been all season. Scene with the kid in the car was cute, though it was really clear he wasn't going to get discovered then. Thought Alexander was pretty good in this episode.
I kind of agree with the AV Club review that Lenora was underutilized. I found her interesting but we didn't get nearly enough. I suppose it's just a consequence of the nature of the show where people who interact with Martin regularly get more of a focus, which is understandable though. Maybe in a future season should they actually happen.
Hope this does well enough in Germany.
Loved the shot of General Edel staring out of his house with the loneliness and emptiness looming around him. Was pretty clear that Schweppenstette was Martin's father but it was still a pretty strong moment when Ingrid actually said it to Annett. That's lame that the subs were wrong on the scene with Schweppenstette and Ingrid, that would've made that a little stronger at the end, but I guess the effect is still there in retrospect. Martin was great, getting shit done like he has been all season. Scene with the kid in the car was cute, though it was really clear he wasn't going to get discovered then. Thought Alexander was pretty good in this episode.
I kind of agree with the AV Club review that Lenora was underutilized. I found her interesting but we didn't get nearly enough. I suppose it's just a consequence of the nature of the show where people who interact with Martin regularly get more of a focus, which is understandable though. Maybe in a future season should they actually happen.
Hope this does well enough in Germany.
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