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Devil Daggers is Rock Paper Shotgun's Game of the Year
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
Are corridors and rooms a requirement for a shooter to be good in your eyes?
OverBlood 3
Banned
This is demonstrably false and you're petty.
PC is an incredibly diverse platform and there is no basis for this generalization.
Most big sites get a thread for their GOTY.
Because I like those kind of shooters. I don't like these kinds of monster arenas. That is why it matters to me. I never said this game was awful, just that I don't really care for it after playing it.
No, it is fine for someone to like this kind of thing. I just don't, and would be more interested if they tried something along the lines of Quake 1. I prefer old school shooters, I don't see what is wrong with that.
BinaryPork2737
Unconfirmed Member
GoldandBlue
Member
lol why are people acting like this is some kinda controversial choice? They liked a game, they made it their goty, the end.
Leafhopper
Banned
If you don't like a AAA cinematic game then what are you even doing with your life? /s
a majority of gaf has a preference for a certain type of game and can't fathom people liking different stuff.
SatelliteOfLove
Member
Oh this is a new bait combo i aint seen before.
T.Slothrop
Member
Such a hipster choice. I like the sentiment behind it and that it's a conversation starter. But let's be real? You feel that passionately about that game? Come on. It's a posture more than a legit pick.
I pick my nose everyday. Love doing it. Wouldn't call it my activity if the year though.
I pick my nose everyday. Love doing it. Wouldn't call it my activity if the year though.
Between this and the watchmojo thread I just don't understand why so many people are taking offense to people having different tastes than them. The co-opting of marketing hyperbole has really pushed people to become so tribal about stuff that isn't really a big deal. Everything is now either the best thing ever or the worst thing ever and you have to choose sides.
They have been talking about how they like it for the entire year, people who regularly visit the site would know this. Even people they are close with in the games space have brought it up numerous times as something they like, on stuff like crate and crowbar. It isn't a hipster choice, they just like the game. Anyone who has actually been paying attention to them would know this.
They have been talking about how they like it for the entire year, people who regularly visit the site would know this. Even people they are close with in the games space have brought it up numerous times as something they like, on stuff like crate and crowbar. It isn't a hipster choice, they just like the game. Anyone who has actually been paying attention to them would know this.
Grim Patron
Member
sixteen-bit
Member
I suck ass at this game
So glad you're here to see through their real motive and set the record straight. When I need my opinion validated, I'll be sure to send you a PM to ensure it passes your QA process.
T.Slothrop said:
Thanks for sharing this intimate detail with us.
Sylverstone14
Member
Definitely an out-there choice to some, but when this dropped, no one could stop talking about it.
It must've been that damn good for a GOTY nod.
It must've been that damn good for a GOTY nod.
whalleywhat
Member
Hipster garbage.
These are your two choices.
krishian said:
These are your two choices.
finalflame
Member
I don't think anyone well adjusted truly cares what any particular outlet's GOTY is, it's just calling a spade a spade. Like someone before me just said, it feels more like posturing than anything; "some of us REALLY liked this game and it's gonna fly under the radar for GOTY, let's throw it a bone and give it some recognition." And that's fine.
I mean, if you read the article, it seems to have been a tie breaker, 4-3, if they decide which game places first democratically amongst them. Brendan, Pip, and John all say they could not get into it despite seeing its merits.
Candescence
Member
The amount of indignation over this is hilarious and ridiculously petty. If RPS enjoys it that much, I can't argue with their choice.
Seriously, if you're going to gripe about "hipster picks" or what have you, grow the fuck up.
Seriously, if you're going to gripe about "hipster picks" or what have you, grow the fuck up.
It's a good pick. Didn't make my top 5 personally but it'd be in a top 10 I bet.
Of all the opinions I disagree with in this thread this one I disagree with most.
yeah, take that PC gamers, always talking down on arcadey games, that sure is a well known stereotype of PC gamers.
A game with 98% positive reviews on steam and 230k owners (good number for an indie game) clearly sounds like hipster garbage that no one can legitimately like enough to call GOTY. Sure.
finalflame
Member
And here I thought this was a place for discussion, including dissenting opinions, and not complacent acceptance and praise over an outlet's pick. Criticism not allowed. Might as well call this the "RPS GOTY Praising and Agreement Thread", then.
OverBlood 3
Banned
Threads like this make me wish mods were a little more ruthless with the ol ban hammer.
whalleywhat
Member
I'm sure it's all the rage in Williamsburg.
SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I finally broke 70 seconds today. For me that's awesome. :/
It's totally legitimate to disagree on GOTY. I don't think devil daggers is goty material. But to call the pick hipster clickbait is shitposting, not discussion. If you read the site and article, it's pretty clear how passionate they are about the game.
Comfort Jones
Banned
What the fuck am I reading right now?
I am still stunned at how invested people get in a stranger's pick for their favorite game. You understand these are just people like you and me right? Their opinions mean literally no more or less than yours, they don't matter at all.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
We could assign motive to this choice all day, or we could just apply Occam's Razor and assume they genuinely liked the game.
That would be nuanced and reasonable though so let's just call their pick "hipster" and act like a child about this.
There's disagreement and there's shitposting. Questioning the motive of this GOTY is firmly the latter, especially when it falls under "PC gamer" generalizations and bullshit about posturing.
OverBlood 3
Banned
They did it to get a thread on GAF don't you see?
Finale Fireworker
Member
This is a problem gamers seem worse than other fandoms: a widespread inability to separate their favorite from "the best". Even if they mean their "favorite", they insist on using objective language.
Then people say "it's just an opinion." I don't think anybody is dumb enough to not realize this is an opinion piece. The problem is that it's an opinion piece loaded with language like "this is the best game of the year."
I'm not knocking their choice at all, but the sooner gamers start trying to express themselves and describe why they like games without resorting to the most extreme hyperbole available, the better. It makes us look so childish.
"Our favorite game of the year" or "we think the game of the year" or even "our game of the year" means something wholly and completely different than "this is the best game of the year."
And you can't say "it's just their opinion" when people are framing their opinions as fact in both a player and a media level at virtually every turn. It is impossible to have a conversation about facts and feelings when people treat them like they're the same things.
Because as soon as somebody says "Sonic the Hedgehog is the greatest character of all time," the conversation is basically over.
Yes. Yes it is.
You cannot pose value judgements as fact.
"I hate egg salad" and "egg salad is the worst food in the world" are not the same. They mean different things. So you're either saying something you don't mean that is intellectually useless or you believe that something you feel is the truth no matter what.
This is literally the basis of all critical study in every single respect. It is the cornerstone of all pursuasive conversation. This, unlike your feelings on egg salad, is actually a fact.
Then people say "it's just an opinion." I don't think anybody is dumb enough to not realize this is an opinion piece. The problem is that it's an opinion piece loaded with language like "this is the best game of the year."
I'm not knocking their choice at all, but the sooner gamers start trying to express themselves and describe why they like games without resorting to the most extreme hyperbole available, the better. It makes us look so childish.
"Our favorite game of the year" or "we think the game of the year" or even "our game of the year" means something wholly and completely different than "this is the best game of the year."
And you can't say "it's just their opinion" when people are framing their opinions as fact in both a player and a media level at virtually every turn. It is impossible to have a conversation about facts and feelings when people treat them like they're the same things.
Because as soon as somebody says "Sonic the Hedgehog is the greatest character of all time," the conversation is basically over.
Yes. Yes it is.
You cannot pose value judgements as fact.
"I hate egg salad" and "egg salad is the worst food in the world" are not the same. They mean different things. So you're either saying something you don't mean that is intellectually useless or you believe that something you feel is the truth no matter what.
This is literally the basis of all critical study in every single respect. It is the cornerstone of all pursuasive conversation. This, unlike your feelings on egg salad, is actually a fact.
DashReindeer
Lead Community Manager, Outpost Games
Kind of a dull choice in my opinion, but people here seem to be taking offense at this sentiment. I am not even someone who dislikes so-called "hipster picks." In fact, those are the sorts of picks that I expect out of RPS and want to see more of across the board, but sadly this game in particular just doesn't jive with my own tastes too much. Game does very little for me and it's not something I find myself going back to in any capacity. Not sure I understand where RPS is coming form with this one, but that's fine. It's not my GOTY, it's theirs.
This
finalflame
Member
Yah driveby "this is hipster trash" shitposting is almost as bad as the (now bannable? haven't seen it in a while) "I don't like thing/ok" image. But I think discussion surrounding the pick should be sincere; the game is good, and there's something to be said about simplicity here, but there are just so many other larger efforts this year with far more production and content.
But yah, GOTY is ultimately just some group of people's opinion. I just think RPS made it a point here to go against the mainstream, and that's fine, but might as well call it what it is.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
No it isn't. It really, really isn't.
OK so you disagree with Devil Daggers because...of production quality and content? Maybe that sort of thing isn't valued by everyone equally? Just a thought.
I played a number of high production quality AAA games and yet my game of the year will likely be a 2D strategy game with a tenth of the budget at most (Steamworld Heist).
Or they just fucking liked the game.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Glad they picked it because I seem to have missed it somehow. Sold, looks fun. This is the kind of game I used to discover just from browsing gaf but these days it seems like the forum is just dominated by MEGA AAA HOT GAME OF THE MONTH discussion.
Finale Fireworker
Member
Yes. Yes it is.
You cannot pose value judgements as fact.
"I hate egg salad" and "egg salad is the worst food in the world" are not the same. They mean different things. So you're either saying something you don't mean that is intellectually useless or you believe that something you feel is the truth no matter what.
This is literally the basis of all critical study in every single respect. It is the cornerstone of all pursuasive conversation. This, unlike your feelings on egg salad, is actually a fact.
whalleywhat
Member
Yeah, this backseat modding is getting out of hand.
Most sane people can understand that editorial discussions are not academic papers and thus come precluded with the suffix "... in my opinion", as it would get tiresome to explicitly add that every single time.
Alex
Member
I don't think you actually understand what you're even talking about anymore.
You're wrong, it's as simple as that. With art forms like videogames there is no absolute objective "best" thing, calling something that is inherently an opinion. The difference between "my favourite game of the year" and "the game I think was the best of the year" is semantics.
hardcastlemccormick
Banned
They only mean something different if you cannot infer, with the barest of common sense, that they're discussing something subjective.
A "game of the year" is inherently subjective. There's no such thing as an objective game of the year. Anyone engaging with said discussion point with that assumption is either delusional or trying to make a bigger deal out of what is being discussed than it actually is.
It's the same with egg salad. There is no such thing as an objective "worst" of anything.
Deflecting this using semantics back onto the writers is a foolish redirection. Blame the audience for being dunces, not the writers for using the wrong wording.