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[Crisium]

The PS4 version has some details comparable to the highest PC setting? This is ACTUALLY A MISTAKE. They should have slightly toned down the settings to get it to run at a native 1920x1080.

Once again, DICE made this idiotic assumption about console gaming peasants:

1) They play games on the couch, 9 feet away from the TV. They couldn't tell the blurriness of 900p stretched to 1080p compared to native 1080p without binoculars. So the higher settings is all that matters!

2) Most of them still play on 720p TVs anyway. Or if they don't, they can't tell the difference because they are too stupid. If we made the PS4 version run at 1080p, it would actually look worse than the Xbone version on 720p sets and in the eyes of the stupid who cannot tell the difference. We can't have that!

3) Bullshots. Most of the time, people see compressed video or pictures that are below 1080p anyway. We will sell more copies if we advertise higher settings at a lower resolution; after all, most marketing is done below 1080p.

4) All of the above are more important than the clarity gained by running a higher resolution on a native display. Nevermind that 1080 actually provides undeniably* superior gameplay.

*Try to deny it. Have you played Battlefield 4, a game where you have to engage enemies at several hundred meters away? TINY enemies? 1600x900 as it is is a lower resolution, so your tiny enemies are less defined. To top it off, stretching it to 1920x1080 adds artifacts that make your tiny enemies even less defined. Don't get me wrong, it is an equal disadvantage for all players, so it doesn't effect competition. But for FUN? Yeah, I love not being able to see a blur off a faraway sniper and getting shot as a consequence. Well, in that sense maybe it does affect competition. Sniper rifles are the only weapons that get 6x-14x or larger magnification.

A bit of a tangent on the snipers... but the clarity of native 1080 on 1080 IS WORTH LOWERING YOUR SETTINGS. I have tried playing BF4 at native 1080 vs 900 (with higher settings) upscaled. At times the higher settings make the latter more beautiful. But overall, your eyes appreciate the higher (and native) resolution MORE. I prefer to play at mostly Medium (some Low) at 1080 + 2xMSAA than 900 stretched to 1080 on all High settings. It offers a gameplay advantage and is overall better looking. Even without the MSAA, virtually all PC gamers would agree that playing on your native resolution is the most important setting.

DICE really thinks lowly of console gamers.

 

[DasDamen]

to each his own..... I guess hihi

Of course, but his sentiment can now be rightfully discussed and inquired on. This is a public forum, and nobody forced him to reveal his preferences.

 

[RetroStu]

Just watching the framerate comparison on the DF article and BOTH versions run at 60fps for like 90% of the video, they also both have slowdown in the same places but the X1 version does slowdown like 10fps more than the PS4 version.
If you read this thread though you would think that the PS4 version is 60fps and the Xbox One version is 50fps for all of the game which is simply not true, they both run at 60fps with the X1 version having harsher slowdown.

EDIT: In fact there are times in that video like at 1:40-1:55 where the PS4 version slows down considerably more than the X1 version.

 

[Zen]

I don't understand why devs never seem to implement AF on consoles. Maybe they feel like it isn't worth the very marginal FPS hit.

 

[Kazuma Kiryu]

God damn DF and their Microsoft bias!

Why doesn't this article say that Ms should have never even bothered with releasing the Xbone? huh? I ask you this! Thats because they are bias!

.... Ctrl+F

.... Leadbetter.

.... nope.

Wow, what a failed attempt at a "joke"/sarcasm.

 

[darkwing]

The PS4 version has some details comparable to the highest PC setting? This is ACTUALLY A MISTAKE. They should have slightly toned down the settings to get it to run at a native 1920x1080.

Once again, DICE made this idiotic assumption about console gaming peasants:

1) They play games on the couch, 9 feet away from the TV. They couldn't tell the blurriness of 900p stretched to 1080p compared to native 1080p without binoculars. So the higher settings is all that matters!

2) Most of them still play on 720p TVs anyway. Or if they don't, they can't tell the difference because they are too stupid. If we made the PS4 version run at 1080p, it would actually look worse than the Xbone version on 720p sets and in the eyes of the stupid who cannot tell the difference. We can't have that!

3) Bullshots. Most of the time, people see compressed video or pictures that are below 1080p anyway. We will see more copies if we advertise higher settings at a lower resolution; after all, most marketting is done below 1080p.

4) All of the above are more important than the clarity gained by running a higher resolution on a native display. Nevermind that 1080 actually provides undeniably* superior gameplay.

*Try to deny it. Have you played Battlefield 4, a game where you have to engage enemies at several hundred meters away? TINY enemies? 1600x900 as it is is a lower resolution, so your tiny enemies are less defined. To top it off, stretching it to 1920x1080 adds artifacts that make your tiny enemies even less defined. Don't get me wrong, it is an equal disadvantage for all players, so it doesn't effect competition. But for FUN? Yeah, I love not being able to see a blur off a faraway sniper and getting shot as a consequence. Well, in that sense maybe it does affect competition. Sniper rifles are the only weapons that get 6x-14x or larger magnification.

A bit of a tangent on the snipers... but the clarity of native 1080 on 1080 IS WORTH LOWERING YOUR SETTINGS. I have tried playing BF4 at native 1080 vs 900 (with higher settings) upscaled. At times the higher settings make the latter more beautiful. But overall, your eyes appreciate the higher (and native) resolution MORE. I prefer to play at mostly Medium (some Low) at 1080 + 2xMSAA than 900 stretched to 1080 on all High settings. It offers a gameplay advantage and is overall better looking. Even without the MSAA, virtually all PC gamers would agree that playing on your native resolution is the most important setting.

DICE really thinks lowly of console gamers.

what is this, I don't even....

 

[FonkyByNature]

XB1 ($500)
Game ($0, Killer Instinct is the best launch game and free!)
Controller ($60)
Controller ($60)
Total: $620

vs

PS4 ($400)
Game ($60)
Controller ($60)
Camera ($60)
PlayStation Plus ($50, is now required to match Xbox Live, just ask Sessler)
total: $630

Adam Sessler ? is that you ?

 

[Chobel]

Just watching the framerate comparison on the DF article and BOTH versions run at 60fps for like 90% of the video, they also both have slowdown in the same places but the X1 version does slowdown like 10fps more than the PS4 version.
If you read this thread though you would think that the PS4 version is 60fps and the Xbox One version is 50fps for all of the game which is simply not true, they both run at 60fps with the X1 version having harsher slowdown.

EDIT: In fact there are times in that video like at 1:40-1:55 where the PS4 version slows down considerably more than the X1 version.

Nope, you're the only one who assumed that.

 

[DasDamen]

You're the only one who thought it's like that.

No, he's the only one that thought that other people thought that.

 

[Mononoke]

Just watching the framerate comparison on the DF article and BOTH versions run at 60fps for like 90% of the video, they also both have slowdown in the same places but the X1 version does slowdown like 10fps more than the PS4 version.
If you read this thread though you would think that the PS4 version is 60fps and the Xbox One version is 50fps for all of the game which is simply not true, they both run at 60fps with the X1 version having harsher slowdown.

EDIT: In fact there are times in that video like at 1:40-1:55 where the PS4 version slows down considerably more than the X1 version.

Honestly, as someone that owns a PS4 and Xbox One, I'm not noticing huge FPS drops playing MP. But you can't ignore the jaggies of 720p. It's just noticeable.

 

[RetroStu]

Nope, you're the only one who assumed that.

I literaly just got in and started reading this thread and thats the impression i got from reading this thread, i thought adding that lighting must of lowered the framerate or something so they settled on 50fps.

 

[RetroStu]

Honestly, as someone that owns a PS4 and Xbox One, I'm not noticing huge FPS drops playing MP. But you can't ignore the jaggies of 720p. It's just noticeable.

I can as i only own a 720p tv. Off topic but i think people need to remember that a lot of people only have 720p tv's and thats why some people say that 'resolutiongate' is not important to them, it doesn't mean they are shills or fanboys etc.
I'm not saying that to you Azula, i'm just talking in general on here.

 

[Crisium]

what is this, I don't even....

Don't understand native resolutions? Or...?

 

[hwateber]

Was wondering about the change of tone in this article, and then I looked up to see that it wasn't written by leadbetter

 

[nib95]

But did Polygon rate the PS4 version higher?

 

[DasDamen]

But did Polygon rate the PS4 version higher?

They only use 50Hz 720p TVs, so they wouldn't even know.

 

[EscapingJail]

Diminishing returns to the naked eye. The ps4 is the better version and no one here is questioning that. I'm saying that the X1 version is not remotely bad in comparison. If you do the math, then the numbers speak for themselves, but then you look at it. If you were playing the x1 version for a week, and suddenly started playing the ps4 version, do you think you'd immediately notice the difference?

Uh is this a joke? Yes.

Go play a PC game and change the resolution from 720p to 900p...

 

[pretty done]

I really wasnt expecting this many Xbone fan meltdowns over a BF4 comparison. This is great!

Good news about the 10fps performance difference too.

 

[EscapingJail]

XB1 ($500)
Game ($0, Killer Instinct is the best launch game and free!)
Controller ($60)
Controller ($60)
Total: $620

vs

PS4 ($400)
Game ($60)
Controller ($60)
Camera ($60)
PlayStation Plus ($50, is now required to match Xbox Live, just ask Sessler)
total: $630

I see what you did there bro, and I hope to god someone takes the bait. edit: I see you already caught one, lol.

 

[Zen]

I can as i only own a 720p tv. Off topic but i think people need to remember that a lot of people only have 720p tv's and thats why some people say that 'resolutiongate' is not important to them, it doesn't mean they are shills or fanboys etc.
I'm not saying that to you Azula, i'm just talking in general on here.

Resolution gate is both the resolution and the fact that one console is running the same code out of the gate at higher FPS and (in the case of 1080P versus 720P) 2.5 times as many pixels. Then considering the fact that the gap will only be more apparent as both consoles are exploited fully. It's about a lot more than pixels on the screen (but that as well), it's also about the clearly more powerful console also being 100 dollars less expensive on top of that.

 

[Fezan]

But did Polygon rate the PS4 version higher?

no higher fps and resolution only matters in ghost. or in case of ghost stable fps matter more than anything

 

[dark10x]

There's a surprising amount of distant geometry missing on PS4 (and XBO of course).

Indeed, but they made the right call as it runs extremely well during the campaign. Certainly smoother than my PC. :\

 

[watership]

So basically going from XB1 to PS4 version is greater than 360 to XB1 version that you so
clearly enjoy about. The difference is huge and in resolution is a generational leap.

It's not a generational leap. No doubt the pixels are greater, but that's ignoring the amount of triangles being rendered and the textures, and the complex AI etc that next-gen brings. That's why to the naked eye or the layman who's not a resolution/pixel counter, the games don't look significantly different.

 

[phosphor112]

PS4 ($400)
Camera ($60)
Controller ($60)
Game ($0, resign is the best game and free)
Total: $520

XB1 ($500)
Controller ($60)
Controller ($60)
Game (Forza 5 $60)
Micro transactions ($20m)
Total: $20,000,680

At least you got the joke.

:lol

 

[Amused]

But did Polygon rate the PS4 version higher?

Hahaha!

No.

 

[watership]

Is this a real post? I mean im dead serious now. Is this a real post?

Of course it's real. Come on guys, you can see where I'm coming from. I understand that YOU guys can see it. I'm talking about how much of a difference it really is.

 

[Schweinehund]

Didn't think the gap was this wide.

Feel bad for anyone that expected closer parity between consoles and bought a xb1.

 

[RetroStu]

Resolution gate is both the resolution and the fact that one console is running the same code out of the gate at higher FPS and (in the case of 1080P versus 720P) 2.5 times as many pixels. Then considering the fact that the gap will only be more apparent as both consoles are exploited fully. It's about a lot more than pixels on the screen (but that as well), it's also about the clearly more powerful console also being 100 dollars less expensive on top of that.

Its not though, they both run at the same fps with one version having more slowdown than the other and the price difference is because of a probable $150 motion camera being included in the price. The point i made was simply that people tend to get attacked if they dare to suggest that the resolution difference doesn't bother them and that they are fanboys etc and all i'm saying is that like myself, there will be a lot of people who only own 720p tv's so people need to not accuse them of anything.

 

[BruiserBear]

But did Polygon rate the PS4 version higher?

I was just going to post this. lol

Those guys have seriously set a precedent they're not going to want to uphold going forward.

 

[RetroStu]

Didn't think the gap was this wide.

Feel bad for anyone that expected closer parity between consoles and bought a xb1.

lol

 

[Zen]

Its not though, they both run at the same fps with one version having more slowdown than the other. The point i made was simply that people tend to get attacked if they dare to suggest that the resolution difference doesn't bother them and that they are fanboys etc and all i'm saying is that like myself, there will be a lot of people who only own 720p tv's so people need to not accuse them of anything.

Only because BF4 locks the framerate at 60 maximum. The judder in CoD Ghosts for PS4 is because Ghosts on consoles doesn't have a max cap and the PS4 version frequently is going well above 60. For BF4 the PS4 version dips less deeply, dips less frequently, and recovers faster in general, so it does run at higher FPS.

I think it's fair to ask if people who only have 720P TVs understand what resolution gate actually means and why it's more important than just the resolution difference at present.

 

[Crisium]

Of course it's real. Come on guys, you can see where I'm coming from. I understand that YOU guys can see it. I'm talking about how much of a difference it really is.

To answer your question, of whether you'd notice it if you switched from Xbone to PS4 or whatever, you would. Just try for yourself on a PC game. Get a 1080 display, and play a game at 720 (stretched) and 900 (stretched). I have done this, many times to try and understand why DICE does what they do for console games. I can assure you it's very noticeable, although not as noticeable 900 (stretched) to 1080 (native).

 

[Mononoke]

I can as i only own a 720p tv. Off topic but i think people need to remember that a lot of people only have 720p tv's and thats why some people say that 'resolutiongate' is not important to them, it doesn't mean they are shills or fanboys etc.
I'm not saying that to you Azula, i'm just talking in general on here.

Er I should have specified. If you have a 1080p tv that's 50 inches or more it's very noticeable. I have both systems and so far the Xbox One looks worse. I am impressed with Ryse though. I hope we see more 900p if that's the compromise. But for 1080p tv owners please no more 720p.

 

[RetroStu]

Er I should have specified. If you have a 1080p tv that's 50 inches or more it's very noticeable.

Yep and i'm sure it is.

 

[NHale]

Of course it's real. Come on guys, you can see where I'm coming from. I understand that YOU guys can see it. I'm talking about how much of a difference it really is.

With your post history I can definitely see where you're coming from.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

I was just going to post this. lol

Those guys have seriously set a precedent they're not going to want to uphold going forward.

I said this a week or two ago. If Polygon can rate the Xbone version of Ghosts a half point higher and rate both the PS4/XB versions of BF4 the same then the bias extends even deeper.

 

[Zen]

I said this a week or two ago. If Polygon can rate the Xbone version of Ghosts a half point higher and rate both the PS4/XB versions of BF4 the same then the bias extends even deeper.

Haha why am I not surprised.

 

[i-Lo]

Of course it's real. Come on guys, you can see where I'm coming from. I understand that YOU guys can see it. I'm talking about how much of a difference it really is.

So, everyone's is an opinion in contrast to your fact.

Interesting.

 

[TheZink]

Fair enough. I'll be playing both this weekend, mostly on the PS4, then on my friends X1 copy. I'll post my impressions. I didn't notice much of a difference with COD ps4/x1 so I'm skeptical.

It really depends a lot on the tv. On my main tv it's 42in so it's very noticable. On my smaller tv 26in it isn't tad bad. Both versions are fun. I just made the mistake if playing the ps4 version first so going to the xbox one is a pretty noticable hit.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Haha why am I not surprised.

I wish I was but they set the precedent by scoring the PS4 version of Ghost lower.

And to be clear, if it wasn't for some of the people there that I like, I would think better but some of the other people which this forum discusses about a lot certain paint a certain picture of Polygon.

 

[Respawn]

Because I can't create threads, I'll just put this here:

Digital Foundry: Next-Gen Face-Off: Battlefield 4

This is great and all but can DF put in audio comparisons also? If they truly are the tech analysis folks to go to audio should be a part of this I think.

 

[goonergaz]

ignore me

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Because I prefer Xbox Live over PSN, because my friends play on Xbox, because I prefer Xbox controller over Dualshock, because I have more than over a year left for my Gold subscription, because I prefer MS exclusives over Sony exclusives, because I prefer MS' vision with Kinect over Sony's whatever their vision is (moarr powerr I guess), and finally personal preference I like MS overall more than Sony.

X1 with a game and 2 controllers is cheaper than PS4 with a game, 1 controller and camera purchased separately.

Adding shit up. How does it work?

 

[Donnie]

I assume alot of people here are just reading the op before commenting.. After watching the framerate comparison video it seems far from being as simple as "PS4 is 10fps faster". At times the XBox One version is running faster, at times PS4 is. No doubt overall the PS4 version has the framerate advantage, but like I said its not as straight forward as either one simply running better by a set frame rate.

I think this shows the kind of gap the more reasonable people here thought we'd see. PS4 with a resolution bump (but not a full jump) and slighly better frame rate. But far from the assumptions some had that it would run 720p 30fps XBox One games at 1080p 60fps.

 

[B.O.O.M]

Banderas wasn't lying

hahaha brilliant as always

 

[k4n3]

you know whats sad, you can show dudebros all the numbers and gifs screenshots comparison videos you want and they dont care..... i post alot of a basketball board and i get "i like the xb1 exclusives better" and stuff like "ryse is the best game ive ever played" M$ has the hooks deep into these people

 

[benny_a]

you know whats sad, you can show dudebros all the numbers and gifs screenshots comparison videos you want and they dont care..... i post alot of a basketball board and i get "i like the xb1 exclusives better" and stuff like "ryse is the best game ive ever played" M$ has the hooks deep into these people

That "M$" stuff is really dumb.

 

[ypo]

10 fps and 120 resolution or whatever isn't exactly the kind of difference people are going to care about.

I certainly don't.

I agree. Some people care about wasting $100 more on inferior products. Some obviously don't. No one can tell other people how to waste money.

 

[watership]

To answer your question, of whether you'd notice it if you switched from Xbone to PS4 or whatever, you would. Just try for yourself on a PC game. Get a 1080 display, and play a game at 720 (stretched) and 900 (stretched). I have done this, many times to try and understand why DICE does what they do for console games. I can assure you it's very noticeable, although not as noticeable 900 (stretched) to 1080 (native).

PC is much different. I'm sitting less than 2 feet from the screen in most cases. I can tell resolution differences easy there. I think that I would be able to tell the difference myself. Comparing them, side by side. Aliasing itself stands out to me. I wasn't looking to get into a fight with you guys

 

[Steel]

The most surprising thing about this thread is that a junior can make a thread. I'm confused.