NullZ3r0
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The same reason people were acting like 900p is some crazy huge difference from native 1080p.
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[DF] Hitman 3 PS5 vs Xbox Series X|S Comparison
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Shelookdlvl18
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This is embarrassing. Not the comparison or results... The comments. Yikes!
All levels are available to play from the start, so DF was able to thoroughly test all areas of each level.
In one single specific area, near the very edge of a single map, for a single level... The XBSX dropped a few frames for a very brief amount of time. Based on their analysis, they suspect it's due to glitch. If true, the issue will likely be a temporary one.
Saying all that... The XBSX enjoys 30% more pixels, as well as high shadow quality when compared to the PS5's medium shadows.
The mental gymnastics being performed here to suggest that these results are even close to even... Much less favoring the PS5 is embarrassing. Every comparison over the last couple of months has reliably consisted of page after page after page of PS5 fans making every reference under the sun in regards to "Eating Crow". As if that alone weren't bad enough, they then began immediately claiming DF comparisons objectively favored the PS5 even when DF stated that not to be the case. And now, here we are... Where PS5 fans are claiming the PS5 favorably compares to the XBSX, when the actual results aren't even close.
Sheesh! With dynamic not being a thing here to pretend things are equal, the most powerful console in Sony's history can't even manage 4k in a hitman game. It's not as if this were the next Crysis or anything.
All levels are available to play from the start, so DF was able to thoroughly test all areas of each level.
In one single specific area, near the very edge of a single map, for a single level... The XBSX dropped a few frames for a very brief amount of time. Based on their analysis, they suspect it's due to glitch. If true, the issue will likely be a temporary one.
Saying all that... The XBSX enjoys 30% more pixels, as well as high shadow quality when compared to the PS5's medium shadows.
The mental gymnastics being performed here to suggest that these results are even close to even... Much less favoring the PS5 is embarrassing. Every comparison over the last couple of months has reliably consisted of page after page after page of PS5 fans making every reference under the sun in regards to "Eating Crow". As if that alone weren't bad enough, they then began immediately claiming DF comparisons objectively favored the PS5 even when DF stated that not to be the case. And now, here we are... Where PS5 fans are claiming the PS5 favorably compares to the XBSX, when the actual results aren't even close.
Sheesh! With dynamic not being a thing here to pretend things are equal, the most powerful console in Sony's history can't even manage 4k in a hitman game. It's not as if this were the next Crysis or anything.
J_Gamer.exe
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If sx ran at 1800p would it stop the drops of upto 20 fps worst case? Is that enough to cut them out.
Same for ps5 if its 4k is that taxing enough to go from no drops and unknown headroom above 60 to 41.
My guess is it would be close.
So this 1 result is needs backing up before we make any conclusions.
Given the other results so far its a bit odd unless thwy had different priorities, there's clearly room to raise ps5 res, but at the cost of the higher you go drops probably come in in stress areas like sx.
Put both at same res and I bet there's hardly anything between them just as we've seen so far.
Gudji
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Textures are the same on both consoles.
Pallas
Member
This thread lol ...
Game looks good on either console, if anything it’s a win for gamers but I’m surprised about the loading times between the Series X and PS5, I expected a bigger difference but hey it’s much better than last gen and honestly that’s a relief.
Game looks good on either console, if anything it’s a win for gamers but I’m surprised about the loading times between the Series X and PS5, I expected a bigger difference but hey it’s much better than last gen and honestly that’s a relief.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
Have you never watched a TV series in 4K? You cant tell when its at 4K? It looks miles better.
I can tell. 4K is fucking beautiful, 1800p is noticeably less sharp. ESPECIALLY when you play on 55"+ TVs like I do.
NullZ3r0
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No, that's literally the full context of the video. Outside of that field the game is a rock solid 60 fps with higher textures and shadows.
driqe
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next gen version
MasterCornholio
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It could definitely be a sign that the PS5 is underpowered. If this proves to be the norm then the console is pretty much an embarrassment compared to the XSX. At similar price points they should perform similarly.
Anyways I'm willing for a few more comparisons before deciding for myself if the system is underpowered. I really hope it's not because I can't support an very underpowered compared to a vastly more powerful one at the same price.
Derktron
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I guess they really did
Ass of Can Whooping
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Finally a game that lets you guys come out of your holes lmao
Enjoy your win. You've be craving for it
Enjoy your win. You've be craving for it
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Tickle My Tendies
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No, that is some fanboy conspiracy theory shit. Both consoles are running native NG versions of the game. These aren't BC versions. This isn't Cyberpunk.
True, but I just ask that you keep this same energy the next time PS5 runs a game at 1620p compared to 1440p on XsX or something like that. If a slight resolution difference doesn't matter here, or shouldn't matter there either.
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Stuart360
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Dont worry, i'm sure NXGamer is coming to save the day.
Expect 90% of the XSX footage he uses to be set in a field.
I'm psychic like that.
Also you have answered your own question. If what you are saying was true, why isnt the PS5 version native 4k?. If what you are suggesting is true, why did they feel the need to lower the shadows to medium from High?, and shadows are one of the most demanding graphical effects.
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J_Gamer.exe
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Damn, you swing hard on each result, there will be engines which benefit each swings and roundabouts.
Ports that have lead platforms etc, prefer pc setups favouring sx or ps5 advantages are favoured.
Its not going to be clear cut all gen. Ups and downs for both.
bender
What time is it?
The Hamburglar
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Alex baguette and John finally had a reason to get the good champagne out.
Honestly it’s sad that a major games analysis website is run by shills.
I wonder if DF managed to get this article out without creaming their pants?
Stuart360
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Most games coming in the next year will be on the old tools. Nothing much will change too much over the next year of releaes. When we start getting the 2nd generation releases, thats when things will change imo.
NullZ3r0
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And there's more to come. This is how software development works. Everyone knew for months that Xbox dev kits were months behind Sony's. It was only a matter of time before we finally got games that were developed on the new kits instead of some stop gap PC.
FatKingBallman
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How about VGTech? They are waaay more detailed about fps and resolution than DF
I'll bet they will say XSX version isn't native 4k, nor native 1800p on PS5
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J_Gamer.exe
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We dont know. Maybe xbox pushed for higher res given the results recently despite the dips to show their advantage. If they want a locked 60 they'd have to drop res which may be unattractive.
Maybe its just better with this code for whatever reason, maybe its a port that favours it, favours pc setup and gdk.
As for nxg he does good work and is honest about th results, not sure what grudge you have there.
I mean DF were mighty quick to put a win for xbox in the title despite ps5 winning most games so far, but no such title so maybe its them to watch out for.
Ass of Can Whooping
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You better not scurry back into your holes then
But don't worry. Microsoft may not have the tools but I do. I've got my trusty shuvel on hand to dig you out
J_Gamer.exe
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Both will improve, this is but 1 case and may end up patched you never know.
Wait until caches are coded for, io, geometry engine etc etc both sides have advantages and it should be close all gen.
The results so far show this, ups and downs.
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ChuckeRearmed
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I guess PS5 could not maintain stable 60 fps all the time in 4K so they went with lower resolution
Snake29
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How can you come up with so much excuses in a single post. Sony doesn’t talk shit all the time. They show you they games, compared to MS who likes to convince people all the time on social how good they are. We know what happend when both consoles released, and how quiet they were then suddenly.
phil_t98
#SonyToo
Did you even watch the video?
captainraincoat
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So does this one get filed under waiting for more patches?
this is a Sony marketed game...can’t imagine they would be too happy with the performance difference
this is a Sony marketed game...can’t imagine they would be too happy with the performance difference
Werewolfgrandma
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Everyone saying performance advantage on PlayStation.... Holy shit you are sad.
bxrz
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It dips in one area in one level. In a flower field. Its locked 60 everywhere else in the game
Gamerguy84
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I read the PSVR mode is played via BC mode. I was thinking it was built for PS4, hence the question mark. Not trying to steal the win here.
Its baffling because there isnt a reason this runs at less than 4k. Or at least not one I can find at the moment.
When you have games like MM and SM running 4k as well as many in development it just seems odd.
FrankWza
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Neogaf is heating up. A lot of dormant accounts revived. Next the self bans return!
Stuart360
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If in doubt, custom tag it out.
Let him dig his own grave.
Werewolfgrandma
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Stress area?
Hahaha so sad friend. Be better!
mckmas8808
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The lower in overall pixels, the easier it is to see on your TV. The higher the resolution, the harder it is to see the difference in pixels (because they become so small overall).
Stuart360
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Cringe
thicc_girls_are_teh_best
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Hmm, that's interesting. Wonder if DF also caught this? Or maybe it's down to a difference in equipment measuring and setup? In any case the dips are negligible and don't even define a fraction of a percent of the game's performance, same on Series X.
It's kind of funny that one has a small frame dip on indoor section and the other has a small frame dip on an outdoor section tho x3.
BlueXImpulse
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Concern
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In the words of Mark Cerny "pretty cool, right guys?"
4k vs 1800p
Could you imagine this thread if it was the other way around?
The load times are very impressive, considering the huge difference between ssds. Applying the same logic sdf uses. XSX "wins" on that front as well right?
Now we're talking about waiting for patches for the Ps5. The irony after all the gloating when it was said XSX was said to need a patch.
No worries, im sure NX will cook up a whole video just using the part of the level where the xsx has some frame drops
4k vs 1800p
Could you imagine this thread if it was the other way around?
The load times are very impressive, considering the huge difference between ssds. Applying the same logic sdf uses. XSX "wins" on that front as well right?
Now we're talking about waiting for patches for the Ps5. The irony after all the gloating when it was said XSX was said to need a patch.
No worries, im sure NX will cook up a whole video just using the part of the level where the xsx has some frame drops
Tickle My Tendies
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Who the fuck is Joe Miller? Why are his PS5 Stan tweets always posted on here? Seriously, who is this guy? I feel like I am missing something. Is he an insider of some sort?
I am not sure why his tweet using a cherry picked clip from the DF breakdown means anything when compared to everything else DF analysis told us.
J_Gamer.exe
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How's it sad its a simple way to describe the areas sx dropped in that stressed the hardware. Whats there to be better about, its an area to test and compare. Maybe take your own advice and be better.
S0ULZB0URNE
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It's a whole area that goes as low as 40fps on XSX but is rock solid on PS5.
HundredThousandTrillion
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Feels good to be #TeamBothSystems
With that being said this thread is filled with copium.
With that being said this thread is filled with copium.
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DarkMage619
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With a lower resolution and lower quality shadows. The true comparisons will come with current gen only 3rd party titles.
Mister Wolf
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Agreed sitting 6 - 7' from my 65" I can definitely tell the difference from 4K and bumping the internal resolution scaler down to 70%(1800p) of 4K.
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Balducci30
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Does this game have ray tracing? I didn’t see them mention it at all
HundredThousandTrillion
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I think there's probably 0% chance that a year down the road the XSX doesn't get the better 3rd party version. Which works out for me since the majority of my friends are on Live.
I'm pretty confident my PS5 is going to be used exclusively for 1st party games where Sony has Microsoft dominated.
MasterCornholio
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Um both tools are going to be different by then so I'm not sure what your saying. I'm actually expecting improvements for both (hopefully).
S0ULZB0URNE
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