dragonfart28
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Roger roger.
Digital Foundry is compromised.
Digital Foundry is compromised.
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DF/JF: Battlefield 4 PS4 vs XB1 videos/screens (900p PS4, 720p XB1)
- Thread starter shinobi602
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never doubt the stupidity of COD only dudebros.
Ahhh this is pretty damn bad.
NTIETS13A_Superiority
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Regarding specs XBO is massively inferior. It is not up for debate. DOT.
plagiarize
Banned
If these are the kinds of differences we're going to see going ahead, I don't think the Xbox One is a disaster. BF4 looks next gen on both systems (to me at least) and the Xbox One version clearly represents a framerate upgrade on last gen too. I've said this a lot, Xbox One games seem to be no worse than Xbox 360 games when it comes to resolution and framerate, and more often than not offer a big improvement compared to the same kind of game last gen, and that's not even getting into all the other graphical improvements going on inside each frame.
But the differences are exactly where we pegged them. Multiplatform games ARE going to be clearly better looking on PS4, and PS4 is almost certainly going to have the better looking exclusives.
No one died because they only had a PS2, and the differences here are arguably similar (taking onboard higher resolutions and framerates).
We've been told that, no, the differences don't really exist, by certain sources, and it's good to finally be able to call that out. Dice have done a good job here with the Xbox One version... but the difference exists. Big enough to change your pre-order? No, I don't think so.
But the cheaper system IS the more powerful. We can put talk of balance and parity behind us now, I hope. Because its now finally revealed to be the nonsense I always suspected it was.
That some people don't care about the difference or can't see it, does nothing for me. Some people think they're watching HD when they plug their cable box into their HDTV via composite cables.
It's the PS4 version with a sharpen filter applied. It's not correctly calibrated and supposed to look like that.originally posted by canis lupus:
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And there it is: uncompressed, native captures with correct output calibration.
PS4 is clearly superior in just about every way.
gif created by shinra-bansho: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87940721&postcount=3984
based on images from Replicant: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=87940187&postcount=3887
Killroyskbg
Member
Seriously several people have quoted that back to you... Are you ignorant or just a troll???
Read the thread perhaps...
Thanks for the update. I've only just tuned in and it's hard to keep up.
Yeah, I'm honestly shocked at how big the differences are. Improved post processing, AA and HBAO don't come cheap and the game is running at a higher resolution with a steadier framerate.
I think DICE should put out some footage of BF4 running at 1600x900 with AO on XB1 just for a laugh.
Well, I'm not entirely sure the AA solution is actually different. But harsher upscaling + that weird sharpness filter, that'll do it.
Well, I'm not entirely sure the AA solution is actually different. But harsher upscaling + that weird sharpness filter, that'll do it.
Xenon
Member
When you're in a war you have a vested interest in the people providing the ammunition.
I think most people who where interested in the Xbox can walk away happy from this comparison. Considering the hype for the differences in the PS4 and XBO versions, this was a non event. It's not pronounced enough to deter someone who was interested in getting MS new system. But there is enough of a difference that PS4's fans can whip out the gif's and feel superior.
Its a win win.
Gemüsepizza
Member
The blur is from FXAA and you can probably turn it off. It also looks better in motion than on screenshots.
SwiftDeath
Member
So is DF saying their footage is less trustworthy a comparison than Jack Frags?
Forsaken82
Member
Keep telling yourself that. Meanwhile, Ill play these games on my PC... you know the real system that makes both these consoles "massively inferior" Now THAT is not an exaggeration.
Clearly that's all this thread has become, a bunch of dick waving with exaggerated notions.
callahan09
Neo Member
It looks to me like the Xbox One version was captured in 720p by Digital Foundry. Is there any confirmation of that?
The HUD is noticeably larger like you'd get from having a lower resolution. If it was being upscaled to 1080p, wouldn't the HUD look about the same size as the PS4 version?
I imagine if this is the case, then if the XO version was upscaled to 1080p, it would look softer and blurrier than the PS4 version, and likewise if the PS4 version was displayed downscaled to 720p it would have appeared sharper. The jaggies would be eliminated further by downscaling to 720p on the PS4 version, while they'd be further exacerbated by upscaling the XO version.
I'm not an expert so if anyone can correct me I'd appreciate it.
The HUD is noticeably larger like you'd get from having a lower resolution. If it was being upscaled to 1080p, wouldn't the HUD look about the same size as the PS4 version?
I imagine if this is the case, then if the XO version was upscaled to 1080p, it would look softer and blurrier than the PS4 version, and likewise if the PS4 version was displayed downscaled to 720p it would have appeared sharper. The jaggies would be eliminated further by downscaling to 720p on the PS4 version, while they'd be further exacerbated by upscaling the XO version.
I'm not an expert so if anyone can correct me I'd appreciate it.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I would rather DICE drop HBAO and got for a cheaper option like SSAO. That will allow them to remove FXAA and add MSAA. Or is this wishful thinking? I've never cared for HBAO on PC games I've played. I always go for the 'cheapest' option and instead used the gained frames to improve IQ.
I couldn't understand now how the DF capture could look so different than the others vids so I just made some visual comparison of a random HD picture (which contained some finer details elements) on my TV to see for myself.
Holy shit, I never realized that the sharpness settings on the TV made such a visual impact. I'm kind of mindblown. It's a completely different picture with sharpness=0 and sharpness=100...
You're right lol. I knew that there were such options but I never really fiddled with them so never knew how they could so radically change the picture...
Holy shit, I never realized that the sharpness settings on the TV made such a visual impact. I'm kind of mindblown. It's a completely different picture with sharpness=0 and sharpness=100...
You're right lol. I knew that there were such options but I never really fiddled with them so never knew how they could so radically change the picture...
Zuhzuhzombie!!
Member
Calm down, son. No one has quoted me. People are saying they fucked up and admitted to it. I'd like to know how and a link. I've read how in between the five minutes of me asking and you getting mad that I asked.
KimonoNoNo
Member
Don't know how anybody can make any conclusions about IQ based on the botched DF videos.
I expected only a resolution difference. Not a higher resolution, better effects, post processing, AA and a better average frame rate. As you rightly mentioned, these additional improvements won't have come cheap in terms of resources. They seem like a lot more than 30-40%'s worth.
I am happy to eat crow. I didn't think there would be much of a difference at launch if any, evidently I was wrong. The PS4 version is clearly the superior version here.
HawksWinStanley
Member
Really? I must really have no concept of what "50% more powerful" looks like or how the PS4 version is in a different league because all I see is better textures and more aliasing in the XB1 version and smoother objects with blurrier/missing textures on the PS4 version which seems more like visual a trade off if anything. Half of those images I prefer the PS4 version and the other half I prefer the XB1. Obviously a cross gen game isn't going to blow anyone away but this is still disappointing on the PS4 front for me. I was at least expecting better textures regardless of their reasoning for them looking muddier. All versions look pretty meh, but after everyone was touting the PS4 version as the end all be all on consoles...I'm just not really seeing it.
~50% less pixels (ie raw information) with worse framerate and less effects isn't 'massively inferior'?
andromeduck
Member
wow
as of this morning I know exactly 0 people who are going to get the xbone - the last handful of "lets wait and see" guys just cancelled their pre orders because of this
as of this morning I know exactly 0 people who are going to get the xbone - the last handful of "lets wait and see" guys just cancelled their pre orders because of this
Sure, if they are fine with lower IQ. That was always going to be the case, you cant see the differences? The power deficit doesnt matter to you.
*High Five*
You are right, it isnt an exaggeration. Its not an exaggeration in the same way that PS4 is massively superior to X1. Easy as that.
Not only that, but let's run with the rumors of MS SDK tools being buggy/behind/incomplete and things can only improve for XB1 in terms of performance.
plagiarize
Banned
33% less.
PS4 has 50% more pixels than the Xbox One.
Xbox One has 33% less pixels than the PS4.
let's try to keep this straight.
Can Crusher
Banned
Yup, this is Xbox 360 vs Ps3 level of differences. Xbox fans have no reason to switch, in the same way PS3 fans didn't. The power difference will be much more noticeable in 1st party games however, where the games are specifically tailored to the platform. We can already see this with Killzone IMO.
TacticalFox88
Banned
I wonder if the gap is going to increase significantly as even third party developers get a better understanding of the PS4.
diminishing returns
I don't know why people are hating on the visuals in this game. It looks damn good for a 60fps launch game that had to be optimized on 5 platforms.
Apparently Digital Foundry messed up their capturing.
Xbox One version captures have more sharpness and contrast than they should.
PS4 captures are blurrier than they ought to be.
On a side note though, games later cycle will obliterate this graphically and performance wise. So there's that to consider.
This is actually a perfect analysis lol.
PorkFryRice
Member
I can't wait to see what second year games will look like.
Battlefield 4 is a pretty demanding game with what can be on the screen. Even mighty PC rigs can occasionally be brought to their knees. I'd expect for games with smaller scope and more first party knowledge to easily be 1080p.
I think its better for Drive Club to had been delayed.
Some of these games obviously needed extra time.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.
NTIETS13A_Superiority
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Then why images without this blur looks way better... Like is FXAA there just to blur image and not doo any aa work?Gemüsepizza;87957773 said:
phosphor112
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Original DF images adjusted for the Limited RGB that the X1 was recorded in.
NOTE: These images do not have an added "sharpen" filter to "reverse" the blur effects of FXAA.
For what it's worth, I hate the crushed blacks.
NOTE: These images do not have an added "sharpen" filter to "reverse" the blur effects of FXAA.
Original
Limited 16-255 RGB
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Limited 16-255 RGB
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Limited 16-255 RGB
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Limited 16-255 RGB
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For what it's worth, I hate the crushed blacks.
Until we get these consoles home were kinda pissing in the wind. Of course, that hasn't stopped us all from speculating/hoping. Just my two cents here but a friend of mine had an old junky Phillips Magnavox LCD. My Samsung cost twice as much, and couldn't hold a candle to the Phillps when playing COD MW2. It looked incredible. Everything else looked like ass. Visuals (and impressions) are going to be varied from person to person. I haven't touched my TVs settings and I've always been happy. It's really true what they say. If you are that worried about graphics that you're counting shadows and percentages of what contrast to use in order to see the difference, you need to invest your money in a high end PC. Otherwise use the specs and features to decide. This boils down to people needing to be superior to someone else. I get that. I'm just as big a victim to that aspect of human nature as anyone else. If it gives you a woody to tell people they suck because their console hasn't got as big a stick as yours does then by all means, get a PS4. PC guys will always rain on your parade anyway so don't get too excited. Seriously. Just enjoy what you get. No ones getting disappointed this generation.
those same folk who were banging on about the smaller gap last gen did their own 180s
iJudged
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Lol MS Smdh... They were more concerned about making sure this Fucking Kinect is showed down our throughts so they can scan our homes and use it to try and sell us shit, give infos to NSA greedy assholes. Now you're going to pay the price Bwahahahahaa and I don't feel bad one bit, only if I can find a place to preorder and get the ps4 day 1...
qa_engineer
Member
so in conclusion, we'll have to wait for Gamersyde?! GAMERSYDE VIDEOS FTW.
velociraptor
Junior Member
Can we all stop perpetuating this stupid idea?
There is no such thing as diminishing returns.
Compared to some of the screenshots I've seen in the PC thread, the IQ of the PS4/XBO version looks pretty horrendous.
There is still a long way to go in terms of improvements. Biggest crime of this game is the fact it'll run at sub native resolutions. 1080p and a good quality AA solution makes a world of difference image quality.
I also wonder whether these versions have AF.