Mr Moose
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[DF] Pragmata on PS5 Pro received an undocumented resolution boost via patch 1.21 - native 864p is now 1080p
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PauloRoberto
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Im absolutely SURE that anyone who has this PC is not bragging about PSSR2 or DLSS on internet forums...
Lokaum D+
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PauloRoberto
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Yes.
J Required
Gold Member
Damn, so aggressive yet so damn right! Lol
Lokaum D+
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let me get this straight, do you really think that ppl with this PC, a PC that ll cost less than a PS5 pro while delivering almost the same IQ wouldn't bragg about it on the internet ?
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PauloRoberto
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The USED PARTS answered your question :-D
Lokaum D+
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Magic Carpet
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I don't know, that sounds like work.
Do you want 1080p or 4K? with or without upscaling?
I'm stuck with 60hz on my TV no matter the resolution. I'll turn off V'sync and see what kind of FPS I get tonight.
It's pretty good that the PS5Pro can do 1080P with Pragmata. I assume it still looks good.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
You can buy a used PS5 Pro for $600 right now.
Lokaum D+
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or you can build this PC for the same price.
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viveks86
Gold Member
Fantastic news! Now it all makes more sense.
That is not going to change. Lol
Wait when? Hope it's not the last patch of a week ago because the reflections denoiser
That is not going to change. Lol
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Hadoukens
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Just a comparison.
So whatever you have currently with regard to resolution and upscaling, just drop the shadows down to medium and turn vsync off if it happens to be on. Like I said I have a 3 series card and I'm curious to see if there's any change, big or small, to your fps afterwards.
I'm not asking for anything majorly scientific. Usually I get a 20-30fps boost just lowering shadows from ultra to medium, but I don't usually run games with RT, and can't run games with PT. If the change is big enough you'll notice and feel it pretty much immediately. This will satisfy my curiosity and perhaps will make it feel better for you to play.
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Prodyhig
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Not everyone paid $900.
Some of us bought them on sale.
Do you buy your 10 GPUs a year without even looking at the deals?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Who the fuck is buying 10 GPU's every year?
Shin-Ra
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Can't say I noticed much of a difference. The RT reflections are clearer but it's only really noticeable when you stop to smell the roses, in motion you still have the smearing.
I can't copy the DF example img url on mobile but the holographic lines (worst/most clearly seen in the intro on all platforms) are still very sparse dotted lines at mid to long range.
I can't copy the DF example img url on mobile but the holographic lines (worst/most clearly seen in the intro on all platforms) are still very sparse dotted lines at mid to long range.
Prodyhig
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It's ironic, since Bojji told me in another thread that he changes between 4 and 5 GPUs over 5 years.
Regarding the thread, this is what truly makes you completely reconsider not playing games on day one.
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Bojji
Gold Member
If you want to buy PS5 pro right now, what deals you have?
I bought 3 month console for less than 600 euro (when it was 800 Euro new), so it's not like I don't prefer good deals.
Bojji
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I change GPUs when I can get better performance for small amount of money (added after selling old GPU).
yogaflame
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Blame that to Sony's stupidity and greed. 700 is negligible, but 900 was nuts. Sony could have took advantage with the increase interest on ps5 pro due to its impressive update pssr 2.0 but instead they alienate potential buyers with this stupid price increase. I know allot of people who wanted to upgrade to ps5 pro but now turn off by the stupid price increase.
Bojji
Gold Member
I agree, but pro was always meant to make money on the hardware.
If they didn't increase the price, with current ram, nand and component prices - they would lose money on it.
yogaflame
Member
I think the better approach was increase big the price of base ps5 and no price increase on ps5 pro, or maybe just 50 dollars. That could have made Sony more profit with more ps5 pro buyers. There are so many potential ps5 pro customers they lost. Even my brother wanted to upgrade to ps5 pro but now turn off from that crazy price of ps5 pro right now
loktaiextatus
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Ok.. Show me this build with some benchmarks showing the same results and how much the machine costs. Make sure its got a 2TB fast SSD like the PS5 pro has. Oh. yeah thats a quarter of the price or more right there.
Bojji
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PC with 9060XT 16GB and 7400f will be faster than pro in every aspect (2x better CPU and slightly faster GPU).
One month ago I was experimenting with builds like that and they costed 1100-1200$. You can make cheaper PC with am4, DDR4 and 5500 CPU (comparable to pro).
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loktaiextatus
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I am asking for a benchmark showing comparable performance, and the real price with current available pricing.. and what about the storage? 9060XT 16GB is 450 on its own.
1200- Yeah I would bet you can get in the ballpark now that youve added a few hundred to the cost- it wont include your OS or your controller and will require all the leg work
to obtain and install those things. sure.... (Just for reference I am a systems engineer by trade, I work with enterprise data center equipment and have been building home PCs since the mid 90s... I am not anti-PC I am just saying this to talk through the reality of it)
You wont find a proper not chinese junk - 2tb SSD for under 200 bucks, its closer to 250+. Will the DDR4 / 5500CPU give real world results close to pro with PC overhead? Tech specs sure but.. lets say you get a system board(hopefully in this budget can get one with bluetooth and wifi- probably these days but it needs to be confirmed case by case) , CPU, cooler. for 200 and enough ram to make it work for another... 150 because its DDR4 and youre going with 16gb assuming the OS and Steam overhead wont eat much. Ok granted you get the lowest end case and power supply, cooling you can, and you throw it together for 1200 and maybe youve got something in the PS5 pro ballpark for only a few hundred more, doesnt come with a controller or the cost of the OS in that price... doesnt account for power consumption, if it makes sense in your livingroom or is a loud huge brick that sits on the floor with wires coming off it- But I get it..... Yeah its a lot more expensive than a ps5 pro and a lot more work to set up. I will actually suggest one step better... a site like WOOT that sells things on sale, wait for a low end PC build to come through for the same ballpark price itll probably meet or beat it, be pre-built and name branded. (doesnt matter MUCH until you need support or a component has an issue, and to avoid buying some absolute junk while browsing Amazon or newegg for the cheapest PSU or the like). Those who have microcenter may also be able to score great "bundles" especially in-store only sales. So I am not saying you cant get there... But there is a secondary consideration- who builds the LOWEST pc you can and is it a good investment? Because certainly one of the things you can do is upgrade your PC... but I wont advocate for someone who may want to upgrade it to invest in AM4/DDR4 system board, ram and CPU.
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Bojji
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AM5 build
AM4 buid
AM4 build will be faster than PS5 Pro and AM5 build will be much faster than the console (and futureproof).
Add OS for ~20$
And mouse & keyboard (the default controller for the device and games)
I see that you started jumping through hoops with your post. In the end, both PCs will be better than PS5 Pro and both will allow you to play WAY more games with much more options.
You can also check out this video (but it's based on old prices):
viveks86
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Yep. Because RT reflections are not running at full res as it is, I think. That would be effectively sub-864p upscaled then. So any uplift there is much more recognizable in reflections
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The 9060 16gb is around $460-470 or more right now in Amazon. The 8gb version is not even worth it. I would buy the 8gb.
Isn't the 5500 pcie limited or something like that???
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Bojji
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It's no issue for PCIE3 M2 SSD.
GPU with 16GB will also see no difference between PCIE3 and PCIE4/5 - or very small difference.
8GB version of this GPU is useless, no one should buy it:
That is the number of pixels, we are talking about scaling factor.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
AM5 build
AM4 buid
AM4 build will be faster than PS5 Pro and AM5 build will be much faster than the console (and futureproof).
Add OS for ~20$
And mouse & keyboard (the default controller for the device and games)
I see that you started jumping through hoops with your post. In the end, both PCs will be better than PS5 Pro and both will allow you to play WAY more games with much more options.
You can also check out this video (but it's based on old prices):
6 core CPU and PCI-E 3.0 SSD?
Bojji
Gold Member
What's wrong with that?
5500 offers close to base PS5 level of CPU power (so Ryzen 3600).
7500f is almost 2x more powerful than 3600.
PCIE3 M2 is enough for all games, there is barely any difference in performance between Gen3, 4 and 5 drives in games (the same is true between 2GB/s XSX and 5GB/s PS5)
Lokaum D+
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Dont even try, some PS players have retarded mind set, if the PC isnt a 10800x5d + SLI 5090 64gb + 320gb DDR6 15750MHz + 10penta bytes of Nano Super Fast SSD isnt a worth PC to compare against the mighty budget friendly $900 PS5 pro.What's wrong with that?
5500 offers close to base PS5 level of CPU power (so Ryzen 3600).
7500f is almost 2x more powerful than 3600.
PCIE3 M2 is enough for all games, there is barely any difference in performance between Gen3, 4 and 5 drives in games (the same is true between 2GB/s XSX and 5GB/s PS5)
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PauloRoberto
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Lie i said, insecure PC users cannot stand that a ready and plug-and-play machine can achieve the same results and second hand PCs taht needs to be put toghether manually, like everyone has the skill or even patience for that :-D
And before any idiot anwsers: i mounted by powerful PC (it was powerful 6 years ago, at least :-D).
And before any idiot anwsers: i mounted by powerful PC (it was powerful 6 years ago, at least :-D).
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Magic Carpet
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Been messing with the settings tonight. Sad to say that changing the individual graphic settings doesn't really affect performance much on my RTX 5080.
I turned shadows settings to their lowest and other shadow settings off and the FPS didn't really change much. Not even 1 or 2 frames.
I went in and set the game to both 1080P and 4K Raytracing on Pathtracing on (automatic ray reconstruction turns on default) Any settings that were not raytracing or pathtracing did not change the FPS.
At one point I turned everything down all the way and while the image looked worse, like Diana's hair looking like a lego figure helmet hair, it did not change the fps more than 1 or 2 FPS.
Resolution settings are where any noticeable jump in FPS seems to manifest.
It's the Pathtracing that is the biggest hit. Next is the Raytracing.
I went to the interconnect bridge in the city level and looked around the city from the bridge. This is a heavy graphics area.
1080P Raytracing on, Path tracing on, DLAA I get dips below 60FPS down into the low 50's. If i turn on Quality, It's a good 60FPS. Have some GPU % to spare.
4K same settings I have to go all the way to Ultraperformance with everything maxed out for 60FPS.
I don't know how a 3080ti compares to a 5080. But I think you can do just fine maxing out the graphics. If you enable Pathtracing you're going to have to use DLSS no matter what.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I guess being mounted by a powerful PC would explain why you don't like them anymore. Perhaps a laptop is more your size.
Hadoukens
Member
Thanks for taking some time to mess with it.
I've long been curious about more powerful cards and whether or not I'm in the market for them yet. When I eventually buy new tech I'm trying to decide between more power or a handheld (Steam Deck, Asus Rog Ally X, etc). That's kind of surprising to me how changing other settings has no performance change once path tracing is on, aside from resolution and various nvidia upscaling settings, though after your response I guess it makes sense since PT demands a crazy amount of performance.
PauloRoberto
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Ill igore the innuendo because im not a native english speaker. That being said, nothing is better than a console when you simply wants to turn on, sit on the sofa, not stress about configurations (and yes, i do not like the fact that you can change graphics configs on videogames) and play for some hours. If you want to build your own PC, that is another level of 'fun commitment'. In the past, i liked build my pc... today? A HTPC, please.I guess being mounted by a powerful PC would explain why you don't like them anymore. Perhaps a laptop is more your size.
Radical_3d
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*no new info or people testing it, just Windows nerdvangelists…
Shifty1897
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To be fair, Sony gave those people a week's notice (more if you were paying attention to the global economy) that prices were going up. If they wanted to buy it at $700 and didn't then, that's on them.
I imagine we'll see similar crying when Nintendo raises the prices of the Switch 2, when supposed buyers crash out because they didn't have a chance to buy it at $450, but it's been obvious for half a year that price was absolutely going up and I'm frankly amazed it hasn't yet.
Bojji
Gold Member
But results aren't the same? You are on a mercy of developers, that often make dumb decsions.
Imagine that running game on linux + proton on unofficial GPU drivers on PS5 hardware will give you pretty much the same result as native PS5 app
But with linux version you still have many more options, like Control 60fps RT mode not available on base console version:
PS5 with linux is a great low/mid range pc.
Mr Moose
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Holy shit, that SSD was £75 and is now £220.AM5 build
AM4 buid
RaySoft
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Don't forget that under Linux games have 100% access to PS5's hardware, nothing of the CPU is reserved for the OS, which it is not the case in regular PS5.
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