EmCeeGramr
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I meant officially, it's never been rereleased. There's source ports to the PC, but they're fanmade.
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DF Retro: Doom - Every Console Port Tested!
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I meant officially, it's never been rereleased. There's source ports to the PC, but they're fanmade.
rmatheso
Member
I even did a bit of Doom modding way back in High School in the 90's. This was the result.
Smurf'n Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY-sJErS4PU
Smurf'n Doom
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY-sJErS4PU
Dictator93
Member
EX is probably better than any historical port to PC would have been anyway
But knowing Kaiser, I imagine it will come out in an official capacity at some point... somehow.
Because it is awesome, that is why.
As some have commented on before, it was surprising to see the GBA port as high up on the list as it was. I remember loving it back in the day, and it's the only Doom I've ever finished.
It also had four-player deathmatch which was really impressive. I don't remember how the framerate was, but I'd reckon it was terrible.
It also had four-player deathmatch which was really impressive. I don't remember how the framerate was, but I'd reckon it was terrible.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Great video. Please never stop making them.
Clockwork
Member
Re: Doom 3DO
I really liked watching the video of Burger Becky's explanation when that origonally came out. Some of the details were simply bonkers.
In terms of this video I do have to say that it was put together spectacularly and was highly informative but still managed to remain entertaining.
I was a bit distracted by the spittle on dark10x's lips though.
I really liked watching the video of Burger Becky's explanation when that origonally came out. Some of the details were simply bonkers.
In terms of this video I do have to say that it was put together spectacularly and was highly informative but still managed to remain entertaining.
I was a bit distracted by the spittle on dark10x's lips though.
CarlisleDavid1979
Member
Great video. Enjoyed watching it. Still have my jaguar and copy of doom
AcceptableGhost
Member
It is not official, but Doom 64 EX is by the same person who is making these Turok 1/2 Steam ports (he also did Powerslave EX). It is definitely as good as it is ever going to get.
MrCunningham
Member
I have give another minor correction at that point in the video. Doom wasn't partially responsible for the ERSB. The original 1993 senate hearings for violent video games only focused on Mortal Kombat, Night Trap and Lethal Enforcers and happened on December 9th, 1993 . The Doom shareware was released to BBS on December 10th, 1993, one day after the hearing took place.
Doom may have been mentioned in passing at hearings leading up to the creation of the ERSB, but it was never a big factor because the game was being published by ID Software initially through the shareware model. Doom didn't go retail on PC until 1995. The senate hearings for violent video games focused on games that were being sold in retail toy chains like Toys R us and such.
But otherwise, this is a minor nitpick as you only brought this in a few seconds worth of video. I am only 8 minutes and 30 seconds in, and the rest is great so far. I like the countdown from worst to best. Everything else has been spot on.
Doom's engine being "actually" 2D is a bit of a popular misconception.
The game is restricted to two dimensions in some respects, like the map layout (no rooms on top of rooms) and the camera angle. But otherwise the engine has heights, like for floors, ceilings and projectiles. So the engine allows for fireballs to fly over the player, prevents monsters from entering rooms that are too short, prevents the player from scaling walls but lets them climb stairs, etc. One notable exception is that monsters in the original Doom engine have infinite height for collisions: https://doomwiki.org/wiki/Z-clipping
The part of the code that deals with setting the aim slope: https://github.com/id-Software/DOOM...e3ce2ab42ff54d20b/linuxdoom-1.10/p_map.c#L812
Englebert3rd
Unconfirmed Member
I think it still can't be officially downloaded.
It's a great port.
mikezilla2
Member
Kaiser?
lmao anyone notice that the 32x version(and perhaps all the ports with only front facing sprites) also only have front facing rockets?
Yeah, I talked about it not really being 2D in my earlier post, thanks for pointing out the code that handles autoaim though.
Yeah, I talked about it not really being 2D in my earlier post, thanks for pointing out the code that handles autoaim though.
Diablohead
Member
I was reading up about the differences in the GBA dooms and they messed up the doom 2 shotgun by making the spread more compact and circular, making it more like a railgun then a shotgun with spread.
I still loved them, before the age of mobile phones running game apps well my little GBA was a great doom machine for a while.
Hello? This is Hailun!
Member
I may have missed it in the video, but...
Why is everything based off of the Jag port? Because the Jag port already takes into consideration the hardware/CPU limitations of a console?
ed
I don't mind the off screen portions at all. Breaks up the theme of the video a bit. If you're gonna stare at a game for 40 minutes it doesn't hurt to flavor it up from time to time like that.
Why is everything based off of the Jag port? Because the Jag port already takes into consideration the hardware/CPU limitations of a console?
ed
I don't mind the off screen portions at all. Breaks up the theme of the video a bit. If you're gonna stare at a game for 40 minutes it doesn't hurt to flavor it up from time to time like that.
BFIB
Member
Could be that and the fact that ID was involved in the console version.
MrCunningham
Member
Nice to see that you looked at the Japanese version of Doom for the Sega Saturn. It is one of those games that has been wildly reported as being better than the US version, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
It is a shame that version of Doom didn't use the Saturn's hardware to its advantage.
Also, the bright colours in the GBA port of Doom were intentional because of the non-backlit screen. Many GBA games from that era had high contrast sprites because of the lack of back light. I think it was something that Nintendo enforced.
It is a shame that version of Doom didn't use the Saturn's hardware to its advantage.
Also, the bright colours in the GBA port of Doom were intentional because of the non-backlit screen. Many GBA games from that era had high contrast sprites because of the lack of back light. I think it was something that Nintendo enforced.
Carnby
Member
I disagree with the Orignal Xbox version being so high on the list.
Left trigger is the strafe button, and the A button opens doors. Many times I accidentally turned on God Mode while searching for secret doors. It was annoying and would break the immersion. Once I figured out why God Mode kept turning on, I stopped playing.
For this, the PsOne version should have at least ranked higher than the Xbox version.
Otherwise, I absolutely loved this video. Nice work!
ign said:
Left trigger is the strafe button, and the A button opens doors. Many times I accidentally turned on God Mode while searching for secret doors. It was annoying and would break the immersion. Once I figured out why God Mode kept turning on, I stopped playing.
For this, the PsOne version should have at least ranked higher than the Xbox version.
Otherwise, I absolutely loved this video. Nice work!
Jag port was done directly by ID and I have to imagine it's easier to port from one console to another than PC to console
I'd assume the main reason the Jag version became THE console version was because id worked on it themselves. It not only had shorter levels, which I'm sure helped in a few cases, but those changes were already guaranteed to be approved.
Good video!
Also glad to see the N64 version get a shoutout.
I remember reading about that some years ago.
It's pretty damn crazy. Glad to see it got brought up though.
haha that's amazing
Also glad to see the N64 version get a shoutout.
I remember reading about that some years ago.
It's pretty damn crazy. Glad to see it got brought up though.
haha that's amazing
Sapiens
Member
How is it saying that? Idiots training the neural net to be antisemetic for luls ?
Same, I rented it and didn't even finish the first level. Even here with footage on my high quality and calibrated monitor I couldn't see myself playing it like that.
Err there is a brightness option in the menu, there is no need to quit a playthrough.
Sapiens
Member
How in the hell does Doom64 not have multi? Wow.
Yeah, lack of multiplayer was the big downside with Doom 64.
MrCunningham
Member
The red cross on the health boxes of the Doom 3 BFG versions of Doom 1 and 2 were removed because of the Canadian Red Cross not being happy with video games using that symbol. Much more modern ports of Wolfenstein 3D also had the red crosses changed to blue crosses because of this.
Also, Doom and Final Doom on the Playstation 1 were fantastic ports for their day. The Jaguar port is cool too, but the Sony Playstation did have the best home port of the game.
Also, Doom and Final Doom on the Playstation 1 were fantastic ports for their day. The Jaguar port is cool too, but the Sony Playstation did have the best home port of the game.
Funny tidbit:
Something similar happened with the port of of Wolfenstein 3D on SNES.
The japanese publisher Imagineer paid id Software to have a SNES port of Wolfenstein 3D. id Software then subcontracted another programmer to do it while they were working on Doom, the problem was the programmer didn't do anything at all and vanished without any warning.
Since the conversion was late Imagineer was very pissed and treated to sue id software therefore Carmack had to program the game in about 3 weeks!
Considering the limitations (it runs on a stock SNES without additional chips and it was ported in a few weeks) the SNES conversion turned out good (aside from Nintendo censorship).
The SNES port has a relatively good framerate because it run in the CPU at half resolution and then Mode 7 is used to scale up the graphics (that's why the graphics are quite pixellated).
The HUD is the only part sprite-based.
http://itrunsdoom.tumblr.com/post/101300794275/the-snes-yeah-it-runs-wolfenstein-3d-oh-boy
nkarafo
Member
Well damn, this is new to me.
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
Doom is one of the holy trinity of gaming for me as far as being iconic and influential, right there with Super Mario Bros. and Street Fighter. I can always play all three at any given time and still love it like the very first time.
It's clear the project left her with a few emotional scars, because it comes up in conversation with her all the time.
EmCeeGramr
Member
Also: 3DO Doom was promised to have amazing live action FMV sequences.
They actually had a costume and took promo shots of it before they were scrapped..
Yeah.
They actually had a costume and took promo shots of it before they were scrapped..
Yeah.
must have been quite the solace for Jaguar owners in the mid 90s knowing that, hey, at least you got the best version of Doom
so much of this was downright painful to watch, especially since i'm playing through Doom - Final Doom via gzdoom at the moment.
funny this comes up because last week my co-worker picked up an snes and asked me to help him accrue a bunch of games. then he asked me to seek out a copy of Doom and i totally lost my shit. poor guy really couldn't comprehend why that was sacrilege to me lol. i installed steam on his laptop and gifted him doom there. he was like "not what i asked for but... uh, thanks?"
so much of this was downright painful to watch, especially since i'm playing through Doom - Final Doom via gzdoom at the moment.
funny this comes up because last week my co-worker picked up an snes and asked me to help him accrue a bunch of games. then he asked me to seek out a copy of Doom and i totally lost my shit. poor guy really couldn't comprehend why that was sacrilege to me lol. i installed steam on his laptop and gifted him doom there. he was like "not what i asked for but... uh, thanks?"
Crowza
Member
I always felt in the 90s that the Jag version was the holy grail for console DOOM ports. I even tried to track down multiple Jags on clearance to just put together a cheap Doom gaming network (that link cable was hard to find), but I guess I was lucky not to finish the project (based on the multiplayer disconnecting according to the video). Otherwise, it was "everybody gather your PCs" and bring them together for DOOM LAN parties (or playing via dialup). IIRC, a 486 was required for full screen DOOM back in the day (with a 386 you had to downsize the screen).
Once the Saturn and PS1 ports were released, I was disgusted with the lack of care that went into the Saturn port. Likewise, I felt like the PS1 lighting "enhancements" were on the tacky side and didn't reflect the spirit of the original. Even at this point, I felt console-wise the Jag was still my favorite (that's just memory and does not come from revisiting them though).
There was some reason I didn't care as much for the original Xbox version, may have had something to do with the bad taste I had for DOOM 3. It wasn't until the Xbox 360/PS3 ports that we got versions I *finally* felt were superior to the PC. God, that control.. Incredible games.
Just for the hell of it after watching this DF Retro video, my first game I'm playing on the XB1X is going to be DOOM because I can.
DOOM up-scaled to 4k with the ultimate console version. Finally.
Genuinely "robot farts".
Jaguar has a small game library and most of them are quite poor works (it is quite obvious Atari allocated very small budgets for Jag games).
However it had a few good games that (almost) save the system from total irrelevance:
Doom (a better game than the much lauded Alien vs Predator), Rayman, Super Burnout, Tempest 2K, Defender 2K, Missile Command 3D.
Tarkus
Member
LUL
This is how felt about Jag. I loved that system. Can we play Doom on xb1?