Zathalus
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What does the PS5 OS got to do with a game running on PC? It's already using DX12, which is also a Windows solution.
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[DF]: The Last of Us Part 1 PC vs PS5 - A Disappointing Port With Big Problems To Address
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Stuart360
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Thats interesting. I was on the Steam forums a couple of days ago and loads of people were being refused refunds after going over 2 hours.
I wonder if Steam changed their mind after that Naughty Dog tweet basically admitting the port isnt up to scratch.
Luigi Mario
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A few minutes later:
Unfortunate turn of events.
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this is a native ps5 game and uses ps5 api and io hardware to the maximum but retarded alex and his fellowship keep comparing this port to other crossgen ports, you just cant write this stuff... he once claimed ssd's cant improve grpahics and how he's wondering why pc's cant keep up with ps5 decompression and io even though developers talked for months about this actual engineers from epic explained this but no alex from df cant agree... becuase pc must somehow always rule. Such childish sissy type of thinking its like im watching a toddler cry hours becuase i didnt give it candy
Lysandros
Member
Well he is to be crucified first and resurrect later, his kingdom will come. Keep your faith strong.Based Alex just telling it how it is:
MikeM
Member
I thought he was referring to the PS5.
In that case- maybe making the conversion to make it work on Directstorage did not work out? Who knows.
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Senua
Gold Member
Instead of giving shit to ND for their wank port better deflect and disparage PC gaming instead. Doing Naughty God's work
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
I am not excusing ND nor disparaging PC gaming. It is what it is. Just seems like some PC gamers constantly feel entitled to literal perfection when the reality is that developing for massive configuration differences is difficult and time consuming, so stuff like this is bound to happen. There's pros and cons to everything, and this is one of the tradeoffs.
T4keD0wN
Member
They just released it on windows if you havent noticed. Theyre using multiple windows-based solutions in the game already. Not sure what OS has to do with any of this.
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Senua
Gold Member
Nothing is perfect, would be nice to have a decent port for a full price game though huh? At the very least. ND fucked up here and it's a really bad look, yet instead of criticising those who deserve it, you're mind jumps to PC gamers are entitled because they moan when a full price game is broken? It's just bizzare mental gymnastics that you only really see on this forum and gamefaqs.
ND fucked up, they are a Sony first party studio so I know it might hurt but you're criticizing the wrong people dude, look to the guys and gals that fucked the game up and not the consumers who purchased the full price product.
Buggy Loop
Member
I’m not even sure what your point is. Do you think I put the popcorn gif without knowing already the state of this port? We’ve been discussing it for days now.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Doesn't seem to be THAT broken if you have one of those fabled "monster rigs". *shrug* The game IS PS5 exclusive afterall. Can't get by with PC hardware on current gen exclusives that doesn't punch above that.
Senua
Gold Member
No it isn't
This is as much as PS5 game as God of War Ragnarok. It's on the level of TLoU2 on PS5. It's a PS4 game at heart. Stop simping it's cringe
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
I've had my 3700x for 4 (fucking FOUR already) years and it's about time something used it.
I don't recall ever seeing anything use more than 20-30% of it... let alone on all cores like in the DF video. 100% on all cores wow.
I am all fine with 4yo cpu underperforming but it's funny how it happened so sudden after 4 years and not progressively.
tell you what? I am not changing that cpu lol. I could get 5800x3D on that x570 motherboard and I might if I see it discounted somewhere but I will not bother
I don't recall ever seeing anything use more than 20-30% of it... let alone on all cores like in the DF video. 100% on all cores wow.
I am all fine with 4yo cpu underperforming but it's funny how it happened so sudden after 4 years and not progressively.
tell you what? I am not changing that cpu lol. I could get 5800x3D on that x570 motherboard and I might if I see it discounted somewhere but I will not bother
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Yes it is. It is not released for PS4 at all. God of War Ragnarok is.
What's cringe is all the crying going on about what looks to be a pretty middling PC port. There are numerous other examples this year of similarly disappointing ones. But if you have a decent rig, it seems just fine. You're getting that TLOU experience.
squarealex
Member
Is almost fun to see more "PC players" crying so much with the with their harware costing 2000$ thinking to run everything with it. This buggy loop is so embarasing...
Once again Hardware console =/= PC
Once again Hardware console =/= PC
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bender
What time is it?
Senua
Gold Member
This coulda easily run on PS4 if TLoU2 did, they even said themselves they wanted it to get up to that level of fidelity, and if you have normal non fanboy eyes you could see they are very similar in visual fidelity.
And it doesn't mean shit if a 4090 with a 12900k can brute force it, that's not a get out clause to excuse ND for a shit port. Neil Druckman could literally piss on your cornflakes and you'd still give him your last rolo.
Try to submit a ticket to the support, but some say It may depend on where you live.
Stuart360
Member
Naughty Dog apologized for the port not being up to the standard people expect from them. And they have already done 2 patches, a big patch coming on Tuesday, and an even bigger patch coming after.
The port isnt good, and they have admitted that.
I'm sure it will end up in a good state after a couple of months though.
The game actually runs acceptable for me on my mid-range PC. 1080p/60 with a mix of High and Ultra settings. Not every PC is the same though, and as you said yourself, there are literally thousands of combinations of hardware with PC, and soemthing effecting one user, wont effect another, and vice versa.
With this port though, a LOT of people are having problems, including some people on high end systems.
Buggy Loop
Member
Wipe that Sony smegma from the corner of your mouth James, it’s getting ridiculous the defense you have for Sony.
Even the devs themselves are saying there’s problems.
That TLOU experience
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gothmog
Gold Member
I've had the game for months
For a whooping couple of weeks until it's fixed you can have that comfort blanket.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Again, I’m not saying the port is decent at all
ND should do better. It already got delayed they should have delayed it again, it makes me question what they were thinking releasing it
ChiefDada
Gold Member
@Agent_4Seven timestamped especially for you.
PS5 native1440p/Performance vs 4090 native 4k/Ultra settings. 4x zoom. Which one looks cleaner and more stable to you?
Pedro Motta
Member
My experience with this has been really similar to Cyberpunk 2077 when it released. Had no issues and no bugs when the internet was filled with weird stuff from the game. Being so CPU intensive must really fuck up game logic on weaker CPU's. 6 hours in and it has been a smooth experience.
Ivan
Member
I honestly think he's too young to be THAT guy in this show... A true, old-ass pc gamer who had seen it all and has SOME of that attitude would be a better fit. I can't stand the kid.
hes not too young, hes simply an obvious fraud and a pc fanboy ive watched enough of his content and he always somehow seem to fix explanations on how xbox and pc are superior... always somehow without any evidence he simply uses his clever political social skills to keep lying to his followers how pc is superior, he disregards anything actual engineers and developers say and puts his own manufactured religious beliefs... you can see this in all his videos when ps5 is the topic... you can see this in beyond3d any post there thats negative about ps5 he will always give a like and add a comment... you can see in recent df videos he sneakily talks negative crap about ps5.. even though john explained why ps5 was performing better than series consoles by talking to devs and devs said its because of the api, but alex added his fanatic conclusions that its because ps5 was the main console and developers somehow make shitty xbox ports.... its crazy!!!
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
How many games even use 20GB let alone needing 32GB?
bitbydeath
Gold Member
Why are they trying to get this to run on an old 2070 for? Might as well boot up a 386.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
The 2070S is analogous to the GPU in PS5.
The 3600X is analogous to the CPU in the PS5.
Assuming the game wasnt broken, it actually does 1440p60 so its actually a good choice.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
your wacky ass literally admitted that the port isn't great.... That's on the porting team not the people who have 8gb gpus.
he's the same guy who wants everyone to get high VRAM gpus but then loses his shit whenever someone buys an AMD card which have higher vram than Nvidia stuff on average
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rofif
Can’t Git Gud
Ps5 looks better here. It can run 4k too but barely over 30 fps.
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bitbydeath
Gold Member
In a limited comparison of teraflops, but games aren’t built like that anymore.
That’s why PS5 can beat XSX, and Unreal had lower texture resolution on PC vs PS5, and not to mention the stutters.
I don’t know how much longer people can remain in denial about this.
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
back when they were made for PC & ported down to consoles rather than the reverse, we ended up getting some of the most impressive tech seen in video games so i'd say Alex has a point.
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James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
That was never the case, sorry
64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
omg youre right, thats why Wolfenstein 3D, Doom, Quake 1 & 2, Duke Nukem 3d, Crysis, Half Life 1 & 2, Minecraft, et al were all console exclusives that got ported to PC and not the other way around.... oh wait.
James Sawyer Ford
Gold Member
Cherry picking a few games doesn’t speak for the average title at that time, and most of those games never were bleeding edge in terms of production values
Rocco Schiavone
Member
3600X is a six core CPU and the CPU in the PS5 is a eight core CPU.
kruis
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I've got a PS5 and an 18 month old gaming PC that is already hopelessly out of date: Intel 12900K + RTX 3080 10 GB + 32GB RAM + PCIE 4 SSDs. It's clear that I'll be playing all current-gen games on the PS5 for the next couple of years - unless I'm willing to spend 1800 euro on an RTX 4090 but even then I'd have to pray to the PC gods for a port without any major issues.
PC Master Race my ass.
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64bitmodels
Reverse groomer.
It's not just cherry picking, taking any PC title from the early 2000s and comparing it to the PS2/Xbox ported down version is a genuine massacre.
Splinter Cell? had worse graphics and more loading times on PS2, missing EAX 3d audio
Halo? ran at half the framerate on xbox, missing 3d audio
Need for Speed Most Wanted? missing effects, worse framerate, missing EAX as usual, DRASTICALLY lower resolution.
list goes on... it isn't just the console versions running at 4k 30, EVERYTHING was massively downgraded from even medium settings.
& then you look at a game like GTA 3 which was ported UP from PS2 to PC and the game looks worse than comparable games like NFS. Open world is impressive sure but they made it for consoles first and they paid for it in worse graphics than most other games all around which wouldn't be the case if GTA 3 were designed from the ground up as a PC -> PS2 game
BeamNG drive's car simulation physics are so advanced that they could never hope to make a port to consoles, so even today this shit still exists in some form.
PCs were simply pushing boundaries forward in terms of technology and graphics and it's a major reason why games have progressed much less in the past 15 years, devs embraced this dumbass console first approach instead of making games for PC and porting down from there
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Lysandros
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RTX 2070 S isn't quite "analogous to PS5" even in a limited teraflops comparison, its compute metric is rated at 9 TF while PS5 is at 10.28 TF, that's ~14% higher. RTX 2080 is obviously a better fit in this specific context with its 10 TF but it's still significantly behind in fixed function throughput. It has a mere 109 Gpixel/s fillrate compared to PS5's 142 Gpixel/s for example. So in fact PS5 is also above RTX 2080 in pure 'rasterization'.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Yet in their and many other tests this same setup has proven to work out as pretty close.
Obviously not like for like and obviously not taking into account driver overhead and the actual programs.
The 3600X runs faster and has more cache.
The PS5 only uses 7 cores for games.
The closest CPU to the PS5s CPU is the 3600.