It's pretty obvious a lot of the GPU is going to waste.
How do you know that? It's a console, so if the GPU is idling they can just increase the resolution and detail accordingly.
It's pretty obvious a lot of the GPU is going to waste.
Because Sony fans are butt hurt that the front page is filled with positive Xbox threads
As far as I'm aware not even the Xbox One X has enough juice to emulate PS3 games, so if Sony was to do it the base PS4 would need to at least play PS3 games, let alone improve them.
Yeah thats Jak and Daxter, but games like MGS2, Silent Hill 2, Persona 3/4, Onimusha series still hold up.
Being able to just pop your disc in like Xbox One would be fantastic.
No I'm a Sony fan and I think it's embarrassing that the PS4 can't even play PS1 games but my Phone can do it it in resolutions above 1080p.
PS4 should be able to play those games as they were, HD and enhancements should be there too and we shouldn't have to rebuy them from a piss poor selection.
but emulates 360 games which are the same gen?
Mirrors Edge on the X looks sublime. I would love to see Red Dead and Alan Wake get a patch also.
Not everyone wants to build a gaming pc, or fiddle with settings. Also, gaming consoles are much smaller, allowing us to take it wherever we want when traveling, or visiting our friends. Did I mention it's also cheaper than building a pc? Really not hard to understand.
Wow, some of you can get really defensive. Okay, congrats for reinventing the wheel, I guess...
Mirrors Edge on the X looks sublime. I would love to see Red Dead and Alan Wake get a patch also.
And you don't have to suffer cheaters when playing online.
Well yea because that dark souls 2 remaster was just the PC version. Higher Res and frame rate.Some games look like a remaster version , like the Dark Souls 2 remaster. They look clean and fluid.
The resolution bump and enhanced texture filtering already do so much for Read Dead. The best the game has ever looked in my opinion.
It's a bit more nuanced than that.
A 4 teraflops machine could emulate machine X being 1TF but not machine Y being 1TF aswel. It has to do with system architecture. PS3's architecture deviates substantially from "traditional" CPU architecture, thus requiring more recources to emulate.
I am on gamefaqs.
This is fantastic Sony need to get their act together.
I know PS3 games are out the question but they haven't even bothered with their catalogue of games from 2 greatest libraries in gaming.
Being able to play timeless classics from PSX/PS2 in HD with enhancements would be big win for Sony and gamers.
Even if the 360 version is better, any machine would have to work harder to emulate the PS3 version even though the end result is worse than the 360 version.but emulates 360 games which are the same gen?
Even if the 360 version is better, any machine would have to work harder to emulate the PS3 version even though the end result is worse than the 360 version.
and for exclusives or 3rd party games that actually used the Cell as intended it would be even harder, remember the 360 3 PowerPC Cores and the PS3 had 1 PowerPC and 7 SPU Cores.
A lot of devs didn't code for the SPU cores and tried to either dump it on the single PowerPC Core or used the SPU's to emulate 2 PowerPC Cores which wasn't very efficient which resulted in poor ports.
That set up is the reason it harder to emulate.
We've seen how CPU-limited sections benefit very little in games such as GTAIV.How do you know that? It's a console, so if the GPU is idling they can just increase the resolution and detail accordingly.
Mirrors Edge on the X looks sublime. I would love to see Red Dead and Alan Wake get a patch also.
Well yea because that dark souls 2 remaster was just the PC version. Higher Res and frame rate.
Thanks for confirm my point.
You welcome.
Since most of remasters a just that , a lot of people are impressed with Xbone X performance , suddenly a lot of 360 games got "remaster" upgrades
Higher resolution is great, but some of these games are not native 4k and some are not 60fps? We even have some of the titles falling below 30fps???? I could understand 1800p-1900p/60fps at least.
TLOU is running at 60fps at 1800p locked and 4k 30fps solid with lots of improvements to textures, lighting, character models etc.....I'm not sure these are as impressive if we had to compare those...FWIW, I think Sony has done a lot better with PS3 games on PS4.PRO as opposed to demanding CB for all mulitplats, where even some of their studios (ND) fell short.....
I'm just looking at the PS3 games on PS4.PRO and they are really pushing much higher detail and geometry at 4k.
TLOU = 1800p 60fps/4k 30fps
Wipeout = 4k 60fps 4x MSAA
Tearaway = 4k 8xMSAA
Gravity Rush, Journey...all hit high resolutions at 60fps
Ezio Collection 4k 30fps
I'm not sure any of these games have issues with framerate and they all got significant upgrades than just a rez bump too.
Higher resolution is great, but some of these games are not native 4k and some are not 60fps? We even have some of the titles falling below 30fps???? I could understand 1800p-1900p/60fps at least.
TLOU is running at 60fps at 1800p locked and 4k 30fps solid with lots of improvements to textures, lighting, character models etc.....I'm not sure these are as impressive if we had to compare those...FWIW, I think Sony has done a lot better with PS3 games on PS4.PRO as opposed to demanding CB for all mulitplats, where even some of their studios (ND) fell short.....
I'm just looking at the PS3 games on PS4.PRO and they are really pushing much higher detail and geometry at 4k.
TLOU = 1800p 60fps/4k 30fps
Wipeout = 4k 60fps 4x MSAA
Tearaway = 4k 8xMSAA
Gravity Rush, Journey...all hit high resolutions at 60fps
Ezio Collection 4k 30fps
I'm not sure any of these games have issues with framerate and they all got significant upgrades than just a rez bump too.
I have to admit I love the way how Skate 3 looks on the X1X.
The image quality through the bumped up resolution and AF is amazing.
I know right? This place has become utterly embarrassing since the massive migration. It's unfortunate that I don't know where crowd went.
How people don't understand this is beyond me.Emulation vs remaster bro.
Emulation vs remaster bro.
We've seen how CPU-limited sections benefit very little in games such as GTAIV.
That would be a good point if MS was trying to emulate PS3 games with XBONEX. Yes, it's an emulator of sorts, but it's akin to buying a 1080ti and playing games from ten years ago on it. From OG XBOX, to 360 to XBONEX they're all based on PC like architecture, it's easy to port to and thro and let a piece of software scale rez, implement AA, AF etc on these games. Obviously there's still some work that goes into it, for bugs etc...but this is no PS2 or PS3 emulation on PS4/PRO type endeavor....Sony had no choice but to do remasters on their best games...Emulation vs remaster bro.
That would be a good point if MS was trying to emulate PS3 games with XBONEX. Yes, it's an emulator of sorts, but it's akin to buying a 1080ti and playing games from ten years ago on it. From OG XBOX, to 360 to XBONEX they're all based on PC like architecture, it's easy to port to and thro and let a piece of software scale rez, implement AA, AF etc on these games. Obviously there's still some work that goes into it, for bugs etc...but this is no PS2 or PS3 emulation on PS4/PRO type endeavor....Sony had no choice but to do remasters on their best games...
That would be a good point if MS was trying to emulate PS3 games with XBONEX. Yes, it's an emulator of sorts, but it's akin to buying a 1080ti and playing games from ten years ago on it. From OG XBOX, to 360 to XBONEX they're all based on PC like architecture, it's easy to port to and thro and let a piece of software scale rez, implement AA, AF etc on these games. Obviously there's still some work that goes into it, for bugs etc...but this is no PS2 or PS3 emulation on PS4/PRO type endeavor....Sony had no choice but to do remasters on their best games...
That would be a good point if MS was trying to emulate PS3 games with XBONEX. Yes, it's an emulator of sorts, but it's akin to buying a 1080ti and playing games from ten years ago on it. From OG XBOX, to 360 to XBONEX they're all based on PC like architecture, it's easy to port to and thro and let a piece of software scale rez, implement AA, AF etc on these games. Obviously there's still some work that goes into it, for bugs etc...but this is no PS2 or PS3 emulation on PS4/PRO type endeavor....Sony had no choice but to do remasters on their best games...
Psst...Xbox 360 was PowerPC
Its ok for Sony to be lazy and deny BC for 3 gens of games it seems. While charging for a service that allows them to stream them.
Hmm wonder why Sony cant even lift a finger to get PS1 and PS2 games working on the PS4 since sonyfans think ps3 is such an impossible task while MS does something similar with a power pc architecture.
Come on Nut, I'd call these games remasters much more than I'd call Mark of Kri, Rise of the Kasai, Jak, GTA Collection, War of the Monsters, Star wars games, Ape escape etc....which are emulated too, you're really taking that word a bit too literal here...If I buy a brand new direct x GPU and play my old games on it with better resolutions and AF due to agreeable architecture and compatibility, do you think it's the same as emulating exotic PS3 games on a modern PC?What? lmao
Its ok for Sony to be lazy and deny BC for 3 gens of games it seems. While charging for a service that allows them to stream them.
Hmm wonder why Sony cant even lift a finger to get PS1 and PS2 games working on the PS4 since sonyfans think ps3 is such an impossible task while MS does something similar with a power pc architecture.
Mirrors Edge really does look amazing. I couldn't believe my eyes!
Come on Nut, I'd call these games remasters much more than I'd call Mark of Kri, Rise of the Kasai Jak, GTA Collection, War of the Monsters, Star wars games, Ape escape etc....which are emulated too, you're really taking that word a bit too literal here...If I buy a brand new direct x GPU and play my old games on it with better resolutions and AF due to agreeable architecture and compatibility, do you think it's the same as emulating exotic PS3 games on a modern PC?
The difference in these seven titles are huge in terms of resolution and AF and general IQ over those "PS2 on PS4" games. I've heard people praising the snort out of Oblivion etc because of the better detail you see due to a higher rez, better AF etc....Pretty much a PC like experience of older games. My only issue with it, is that how comnes those OG XBOX games can't run at 4k 60fps on the third gen xbox hardware, it should be a breeze, especially if MS is shouting that this a 4k native console for modern 2017 games et al...You see the irony. I just think these games should be running at 4k 60fps without breaking a sweat on this "beastly" hardware....
As for the "remaster" bit...wait? Are you calling a game remastered only because it's printed on a disk and sold seperately? These XBONEX remasters..unhhh!... emulated games.. are superior to Pay Day Crimewave, Prototype, Dishonored etc...as far as effort put in...but I guess it says remaster on the box amirite ?
And it's not about being ahead or behind. It's about doing the right thing
Playing older games in higher resolution is nice but it's been possible on PC for ages, so it's not like it's something new...
Come on Nut, I'd call these games remasters much more than I'd call Mark of Kri, Rise of the Kasai Jak, GTA Collection, War of the Monsters, Star wars games, Ape escape etc....which are emulated too, you're really taking that word a bit too literal here...If I buy a brand new direct x GPU and play my old games on it with better resolutions and AF due to agreeable architecture and compatibility, do you think it's the same as emulating exotic PS3 games on a modern PC?
The difference in these seven titles are huge in terms of resolution and AF and general IQ over those "PS2 on PS4" games. I've heard people praising the snort out of Oblivion etc because of the better detail you see due to a higher rez, better AF etc....Pretty much a PC like experience of older games. My only issue with it, is that how comnes those OG XBOX games can't run at 4k 60fps on the third gen xbox hardware, it should be a breeze, especially if MS is shouting that this a 4k native console for modern 2017 games et al...You see the irony. I just think these games should be running at 4k 60fps without breaking a sweat on this "beastly" hardware....
As for the "remaster" bit...wait? Are you calling a game remastered only because it's printed on a disk and sold seperately? These XBONEX remasters..unhhh!... emulated games.. are superior to Pay Day Crimewave, Prototype, Dishonored etc...as far as effort put in...but I guess it says remaster on the box amirite ?
I have no issues with the way the games are being enhanced. I even extrapolated on why it's so easy for MS to take that route in enhancing them to newer hardware.... It's because of the PC centric nature of the XBOX from inception, where OG XBOX was even going to be named the DIrectX-BOX or X-11 kit......the games you are on about are REMADE for ps4 and not back compatible games so if you have the ps3 version it don't matter you have to buy the ps4 version to play it on the ps4, what Microsoft is doing is making original xbox and 360 games run on the xbox one.
completely different to what you are saying.
Mirrors Edge really does look amazing. I couldn't believe my eyes!