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Digital Foundry: Alan Wake 2 - PlayStation 5 DF Tech Review - Remedy Raises The Bar Yet Again
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Color me impressed. I wish John would have commented more on the framerates of the PC version.
But if you want to play on PS5, then you should be fine. It should perform on par with the XSX.
Either way my PC is ready.
But if you want to play on PS5, then you should be fine. It should perform on par with the XSX.
Either way my PC is ready.
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Stafford
Member
The shimmering is such a bummer. Did Control really have this too? I didn't play it for very long myself. But I don't recall much of that at the start.
winjer
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
- Console comparison video will come later, DF only had code for PS5/PC.
- Visual consistency and quality is commendable.
- Baked GI with SSAO. Typically holds up very well with minor GI niggles.
- Material quality also praised
- "At times looks more like a CG movie"
- Pop-in is kept to minimum, outdoor foliage is top-notch as well.
- Hair are 'card based', no strands. Some character faces can look uncanny.
- The real world FMV videos all run at 30 FPS.
- Shadows have low resolution and cascades fill in very close to the player
- Relies in screen space reflections, no RT reflections in console.
- SDF (?) reflections are used as fallback.
- Console comparison with PC at max done.
- PC highest settings have better reflections, less grain, better reflections, better shadows, cascade etc. RT shadows etc are available on PC with the RT suite.
- Actual world lighting is not that different compared to console when PC is on path-tracing.
- "Console players aren't missing out on that much" compared to games like Cyberpunk.
- "Path traced PC version does look a lot better, but it doesn't embarrass the consoles"
- Quality: FSR2. 1272p used to upcale to 2160p
- Performance. FSR2 872p used to upscale to 1440p
- The biggest visual difference between the two modes is foliage density.
- In general the IQ can be soft with aliasing being more visible in in-door, building etc areas.
- Quality mode is generally good at 30 with proper frame pacing.
- Certain areas run sub 30 across stretches
- Performance runs 60, very well especially indoors.
- But in the same spots which cause performance drops in Quality, cause Performance to run at stretches of 50 FPS.
- Some glitches and bugs during DF's testing that required reloading the game.
- DF testing was seemingly done before the day 1 patch, so some issues might be fixed at launch.
- Visual consistency and quality is commendable.
- Baked GI with SSAO. Typically holds up very well with minor GI niggles.
- Material quality also praised
- "At times looks more like a CG movie"
- Pop-in is kept to minimum, outdoor foliage is top-notch as well.
- Hair are 'card based', no strands. Some character faces can look uncanny.
- The real world FMV videos all run at 30 FPS.
- Shadows have low resolution and cascades fill in very close to the player
- Relies in screen space reflections, no RT reflections in console.
- SDF (?) reflections are used as fallback.
- Console comparison with PC at max done.
- PC highest settings have better reflections, less grain, better reflections, better shadows, cascade etc. RT shadows etc are available on PC with the RT suite.
- Actual world lighting is not that different compared to console when PC is on path-tracing.
- "Console players aren't missing out on that much" compared to games like Cyberpunk.
- "Path traced PC version does look a lot better, but it doesn't embarrass the consoles"
- Quality: FSR2. 1272p used to upcale to 2160p
- Performance. FSR2 872p used to upscale to 1440p
- The biggest visual difference between the two modes is foliage density.
- In general the IQ can be soft with aliasing being more visible in in-door, building etc areas.
- Quality mode is generally good at 30 with proper frame pacing.
- Certain areas run sub 30 across stretches
- Performance runs 60, very well especially indoors.
- But in the same spots which cause performance drops in Quality, cause Performance to run at stretches of 50 FPS.
- Some glitches and bugs during DF's testing that required reloading the game.
- DF testing was seemingly done before the day 1 patch, so some issues might be fixed at launch.
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Desprado123
Member
Brutal
Fbh
Member
Seems surprisingly decent on Ps5.
Based on some of those PC requirements I was expecting even the quality mode to render at less than 1080p. Hopefully they can fix the framedrops in future patches though. Also the shimmering looks terrible.
And as with almost every "current gen only" game so far on consoles I still don't think the visual upgrades are worth the performance and resolution sacrifice.
Based on some of those PC requirements I was expecting even the quality mode to render at less than 1080p. Hopefully they can fix the framedrops in future patches though. Also the shimmering looks terrible.
And as with almost every "current gen only" game so far on consoles I still don't think the visual upgrades are worth the performance and resolution sacrifice.
Xtib81
Member
Thank you very much !! Remedy is killing it.
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Desprado123
Member
So same setting of PS5 even 3060 is faster than PS5 dam. Third party games are getting worse and worse in optimizing the game on this gen consoles. However, starting of PS4 era GTX 960 was use to beat PS4 by 20% to 30% but Gap shrink to equal when it's life was ending.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Why? 3070 is a 17 tflops gpu at average clocks. Ps5 is 10 tflops.
Edit: I should say a 3070 is equivalent to a 2080Ti which was 17 tflops at average clocks. Nvidia's tflops numbers are a bit fucked after the 30 series lineup but the 3070 is 50-70% more powerful than similar AMD RDNA2 gpus. This is a PC port downported to the PS5 and was always going to prefer PC GPUs. We have plenty of examples of ps5 outperforming pc gpus much more powerful than this. they are typically ps exclusives or games that were developed on ps5 as the lead platform. it is what it is.
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Just the density of foliage, going by DF. Otherwise it's just the resolution.
I'm also torn because I thought, for sure, the Quality mode here will have a lot of visual flare over the performance mode.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
Ev1L AuRoN
Member
The game looks amazing, but I'm sad to see so many artifacts in the upscale. FSR is nowhere near as good as DLSS and I argue that TSR and IGTI do a much better job overall, I hope Sony and Microsoft develop and include in their SDK a better solution for image reconstruction.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I'm so fuxking excited. I've waited so long for this game!
I just can't believe it. Finally. My PC is ready.
Going 4k dlss path tracing.
I just can't believe it. Finally. My PC is ready.
Going 4k dlss path tracing.
Physiognomonics
Member
Why he didn't do the same kind of fair comparisons with some first party games like Death Stranding or Ratchet and clank?
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The reports of my system requirements were greatly exaggerated basically?Rasterization only
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Possibly the game of this generation with the most impressive and realistic environments on an artistic level. The lighting (also on consoles) is exceptional.
It performs well on consoles (without seeing XSeries) and looks great. On PC it must be a luxury.
Great job by Remedy, congratulations. Eager to play it.
It performs well on consoles (without seeing XSeries) and looks great. On PC it must be a luxury.
Great job by Remedy, congratulations. Eager to play it.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
He did for Death Stranding. PS5 performed like a 2080S. R&C was kind of buggy and messy on PC at launch.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
game performs better on nvidia hardware , with or without raytracing
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
3080 10 GB getting buttfucked by a 3060 due to lack of vram is seriously fucked up. The card is literally $450 cheaper than the $800 3080.
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
All that recent drama for nothing lol.Rasterization only
winjer
Gold Member
Those requirements were published by Remedy, so they are the ones to blame for the curfuffle.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
872p? That's a massive improvement over the Xbox 360 original.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
FSR2 doing its job, in some cases better than others.
Redfall's 1080p FSR2 -> 4K is almost indistinguishable from the Quality mode, but then that game has a lot of angular data, I reckon its harder on a lot of foliage etc.
MikeM
Member
So with FSR I should get similar FPS at 4k. Not bad at all.Rasterization only
Ray-tracing
Path Tracing
Here I was thinking that PS5/Series X would be 30fps only. I’d be all over that 60fps mode.
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
FSR2 is doing good work, yeah. I'm obviously joking about the resolution, but it does seem fitting to be a very low base resolution.
winjer
Gold Member
3080 10 GB getting buttfucked by a 3060 due to lack of vram is seriously fucked up. The card is literally $450 cheaper than the $800 3080.
And the 4060 and 4060 Ti already obsolete because of that 8GB buffer.
mansoor1980
Gold Member
resolution is too low on consoles , and the shimmering is awful , is this a semi-open world game?
Tsaki
Member
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
theres nothing brutal about that, thats common sense.
Anyway, performance mode on ps5 looks way better than I thought, i prefer to sacrifice some foliage quality for higher fps.
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Lucifers Beard
Member
Cool, reviews are great too so looks like ill be picking this up shortly! Don't really want to buy on Epic store but kind of have no choice except to buy the PS5 version.
rofif
Can’t Git Gud
The Cockatrice
Gold Member
Doesnt seem nothing, are those benchmarks with DLSS and frame-gen? A 4090 at 1440p barely reaches 60FPS with path-tracing is concerning, assuming its without dlss/frame-gen.
balls of snow
Member
My oled about to cry happy tears that it can flex all its power in full glory.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
hinch7
Member
Issue being the CPU. The cut back and low clocked Zen 2 bottlenecks the whole system.
Talking about upscaling.. AMD needs to work on FSR 2.X. When DLSS with RR looks way better at performance settings vs FSR Quality at 1440P its a little yeah...
[1440P DLSS Performance left with RR / FSR Quality right]
Alan Wake 2: FSR 2.2 vs. DLSS 3.5 Comparison Review
Alan Wake 2 is the second game to receive full support for NVIDIA's DLSS 3.5, which includes support for NVIDIA's DLSS Ray Reconstruction, Super Resolution, Frame Generation and DLAA. Also supported is AMD's FidelityFX Super Resolution. In this mini-review we compare the image quality and...
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TrebleShot
Member
Yes , give it to us now so us image quality nuts can finally enjoy good visuals, please do not offer to hold us back.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
alan wake was 30 fps on the xbox 360. the 872p number is from the 60 fps mode but you knew that.
and it dropped down to 540p.
PS5 in 30 fps mode drops down to 1296p which is a 6x increase in pixel count. And FSR2 has a performance hit of its own as it reconstructs to 4k which has a cost of its own. Alan Wake on the 360 did not do any kind of reconstruction. the game can probably run at 1440p on the ps5 at 30 fps. thats an 8x improvement in pixel count over 540p.
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owandeseis
Member
So after all these requirements dooming last days, even a 3060 should run the game with both higher FPS and graphics due to DLSS vs FSR shitty upscaling.
Shocking