S0ULZB0URNE
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More like $u$pect and at this rate Hellblade 2 will win everything from them.It’s High Fi Rush, what’s there to be salty about. It’s just funny
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Digital Foundry Direct Special: The Best Game Graphics of the Year 2023
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I think mesh shaders are used kind of like virtualized geom in alan wake 2. Gpu chooses what to render and what lod.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
It’s High Fi Rush, what’s there to be salty about. It’s just funny
Well, yes, it is a funny game. Also one of the most visually striking ones, hence its presence in the top 10.
Already setting up the talking points for the next years topic
S0ULZB0URNE
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Nah it's not.Well, yes, it is a funny game. Also one of the most visually striking ones, hence its presence in the top 10.
Already setting up the talking points for the next years topic
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Nah it's not.
Digital Foundry's Best Game Graphics of 2022 - Another Great Year For State-of-the-Art Visuals!
I guess It's me.
No such energy last year though
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Killer8
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Kind of amazed Star Wars Jedi: Survivor was included in the list over Dead Space. While the cinematics are great, Jedi doesn't look impressive at all in moment to moment gameplay, particularly on console where the image quality and framerate is bad. Plus the PC version is going to remain borked forever now that they stopped updating it.
S0ULZB0URNE
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Huh? Last year is different.Digital Foundry's Best Game Graphics of 2022 - Another Great Year For State-of-the-Art Visuals!
I guess It's me.www.neogaf.com
No such energy last year though
Oh and there payee didn't release anything
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Huh? Last year is different.
Oh and there payee didn't release anything
My brother you are a perfect embodiment of this gif
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
S0ULZB0URNE
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
You must of read.
"Oh and there payee didn't release anything"
None of the top 3 games are Xbox published.
There's more PS console exclusives in their top 10 than Xbox console exclusives.
Where is your train of thought going? It is a mystery.
You already dodged my remark earlier about "DF is not a reliable source" this year, but I guess they were last year when they gave Horizon the win.
midnightAI
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Is anyone saying this though?
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Windows is M$None of the top 3 games are Xbox published.
There's more PS console exclusives in their top 10 than Xbox console exclusives.
Where is your train of thought going? It is a mystery.
You already dodged my remark earlier about "DF is not a reliable source" this year, but I guess they were last year when they gave Horizon the win.
They are known as PC>PS suspect with Xbox.
They are never trustworthy but are good for basic performance metrics kinda like the laughable oled biased rtings so we use em and they are afloat.
ChiefDada
Gold Member
I really don't see much, if any of this going on in this thread. It's actually been a very good discussion with different opinions presented and most people like myself generally agree with DF list.
You ok? Does the fact that it hasn't devolved into the scenario you described bother you?
Senua
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
midnightAI
Member
Is that being done because PlayStstion didn't 'win' or just due to a general dislike of DF though?
I personally am not a fan of DF but that's more to do with the fact that they perpetuate 'system wars' more than anyone with their pointless comparison videos. That and Alex's complete disdain for anything not PC (GTAVI video being proof of that).
S0ULZB0URNE
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Zathalus
Member
I always find it a bit amusing if people ask if somebody is ok on a forum if they post something they disagree with. Yes I'm fine, thank you for asking, it would be quite sad if somebody was not ok over posting on NeoGaf of all things.
Also, if you can't see the same posters piling on DF yet again in this thread then good on you. I can only assume you have those posters on ignore.
Senua
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S0ULZB0URNE
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Imagine having the nerve to claim nothing is off with DF and also *conveniently* pretending not to be a pcmr.
buenoblue
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Playing Avatar on PS5 on QD OLED and it looks legit amazing at times. The mission where you get your flying mount and climb into the sky is the best graphics I've seen.
I just wish the whole game was set at this time of day. Night looks ok but sometimes there is a weird fog that makes everything look low res and shit.
I just wish the whole game was set at this time of day. Night looks ok but sometimes there is a weird fog that makes everything look low res and shit.
Zathalus
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Nothing is really off with the choices DF made in this video. Complaining about bias against Sony when the previous two years has PlayStation exclusives as the winners and this year had both PlayStation exclusives in the top 10 is quite a feat.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
The competitions selection was thinner those years.
Quote me when DF starts using XSX/xss vs PC with 3rd party games in they're main comparisons.
BigLee74
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Hey,
S0ULZB0URNE
, merry Xmas ya whinging butt-face. Have a drink and relax.
S0ULZB0URNE
, merry Xmas ya whinging butt-face. Have a drink and relax.Lumpyoatmeal
Member
Forza Motorsport
This is why I stopped buying racing games. Ultra detailed cars with Sega Saturn assets.
King Dazzar
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Superb in its performance mode too. Its reconstruction got even more refined when Burning Shores released. When you consider its a locked 60fps, I think its amazing. Plus there's a balanced 40fps mode. I genuinely cant wait to see more games using that engine. Where as something like Avatar, looks amazing on PC, but runs like arse on console. I get that you can switch on VRR, but that doesnt take you past the base low res thats being upscaled.
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Luipadre
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Death Stranding 2 PS5 only and the first game already looked amazing on PS4. Cant wait for that one
King Dazzar
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Funny enough it was only this year I got into Death Stranding. Didn't like the game in the end and I had to drop it. But the graphics were amazing and with its superb HDR, it kept me playing far longer than I otherwise would have.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Every single game does this. What do you think LODs are? no game is going to render everything at max quality at all times. not even ue5 games like the matrix demo.
This is why I stopped buying racing games. Ultra detailed cars with Sega Saturn assets.
This is what Forza crowds look like during the race. This is one thing the game does right.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
HFW shipped with a pretty poor performance mode itself. it took them almost 5 months to fix it. Avatar hits the same 1296p resolution (1800p cb) as HFW in its 60 fps mode though it does drop in combat encounters. Its 30 fps mode is how its meant to be played and goes all the way up to 1800p before being upscaled to 4k. that while doing far more foliage, ray traced GI, reflections and destruction than HFW.
If GG decides to push visual fidelity, the resolution of the 60 fps mode will take a hit. A game's graphics should only be judged by their 30 fps modes especially on consoles that have bottlenecks with cpu and vram bandwidth.
try turning down the fine tune dark areas setting on your OLED. The night time is way too bright and looks washed out due to raised black levels in their hdr implementation. look up gamingtech's video and see what he recommends for your tv. I have set it to -13 for my LGCX and it looks much better at night now.
Lumpyoatmeal
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I don't play my games in a gif though. In the Matrix case those buildings are using orthogonal shapes, the character models in Forza are also almost like 500 ft from the camera it's instant immersion breaking; You see this amazing looking car model then right next to it you got some Crazy Taxi looking ass character model.Every single game does this. What do you think LODs are? no game is going to render everything at max quality at all times. not even ue5 games like the matrix demo.
This is what Forza crowds look like during the race. This is one thing the game does right.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
you dont see those character models just like you dont see the buildings in the distance. thats the whole point.
Balducci30
Member
Why do people keep talking about Hogwarts? Its not even close to Avatar in terms of visuals.
Lumpyoatmeal
Member
Bruh my eyes are different from the average human, I'm the real life Hawkeye and I'm not even kidding.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
Coffee and only if we can toast the New YearHey,
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Because DF are retarded and included Hifi Rush and Mario. Next to them, Hogwarts looks like avatar.
Id put Mortal Kombat 1, Dead Island 2, Atomic Heart, Starfield and Forza over Hogwarts. It does not belong in any top ten list, be it graphics or gameplay.
100% I called it this gen's KZSF moment a few weeks ago.
The thing is, I am still floored by this game every now and then despite putting in almost 25 hours already. Like random fucking caves will look absolutely jaw dropping with amazing lighting, gorgeous plant life and especially reflections. I think people are sleeping on the art direction in this game. It is an astounding achievement in not just graphics rendering but an art style and scene composition that will stand the test of time for years to come even after we've reached photorealism.
It's simply beautiful.
Balducci30
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People downplaying Avatar clearly haven’t played much of it. I thought burning shores looked better as well initially - but once you put a bit of time into it and roam around the jungle, it’s an undeniable generational leap over horizon. And as far as LOD issues while flying - Burning shores has that too, and you move way slower.
Yeah they shouldn’t be on the list, frankly I’m not even sure Robocop should be on the list above Starfield or the other games you just mentioned. It’s just the environment that looks good in very specific areas.
Killer8
Member
Being on the list is one thing, but not even getting an honorable mention is baffling.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Burning Shores does a few things better. Clouds and character rendering, and better vistas. At first I hate them using fog to mask their poor draw distance but now I can see that while avatar can render higher draw distances, they dont always look good from a cinematic point of view. Horizon adds fog everywhere so when you are flying at least it looks pretty. Avatar can look average when you are flying and can see everything down below.
The rest is all avatar and its not even close.
yeah, robocop felt like a very b game to me but i only played it for around 3 hours. its way better than other ue5 games but behind ue4 games like callisto and star wars that look far more expensive.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
The final boss fight alone>>>every thing released in 2023.
onnextflix5
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where is last of us remake ?? Alan wake 2 looked great in places but image quality is really poor on both consoles and most pcs.
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King Dazzar
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Unfortunately I'm always going to judge console games in the mode I will play them in. And in that regard HFW at this time is significantly better than Avatar. Its a consistent locked frame rate, which can go far higher with VRR, doesn't drop to 800p ever in doing so, and simply gives a much better image with a super smooth frame rate. So it looks great, with regards motion fidelity too. For me thats a technical marvel - as its giving both an an excellent static image with brilliant motion fidelity.
I get why you want to only judge at 30fps to show Avatar at its finest, solely from a static perspective - which look very good. The vegetation is excellent. But, when you start dismissing the brilliance that HFW has become with its numerous frame rate options whilst giving excellent visuals. Then you lose me.
If Avatar is an indication of what FC7 will be like. Then I just hope the PS5 Pro makes up for Avatars 60fps poor demo. I'm happy to give it several months in the hope that it improves. But I just dont see Ubisoft dedicating themselves to optimising further for Avatar, like GG have done with HFW. I would love to be wrong.
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buenoblue
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HFW shipped with a pretty poor performance mode itself. it took them almost 5 months to fix it. Avatar hits the same 1296p resolution (1800p cb) as HFW in its 60 fps mode though it does drop in combat encounters. Its 30 fps mode is how its meant to be played and goes all the way up to 1800p before being upscaled to 4k. that while doing far more foliage, ray traced GI, reflections and destruction than HFW.
If GG decides to push visual fidelity, the resolution of the 60 fps mode will take a hit. A game's graphics should only be judged by their 30 fps modes especially on consoles that have bottlenecks with cpu and vram bandwidth.
try turning down the fine tune dark areas setting on your OLED. The night time is way too bright and looks washed out due to raised black levels in their hdr implementation. look up gamingtech's video and see what he recommends for your tv. I have set it to -13 for my LGCX and it looks much better at night now.
I've started playing ps5 performance modes at 1440p or even 1080p so the it matches closer to the resolution of the game. Then let the tv upscale. Works pretty well, I can find performance modes outputting to 4k pretty blurry most times.
I miss native res on on the tv resolution
. I feel the industry is regressing in this area. Fake resolution, fake frames just to put a number on the box. When I play older games at native 4k on PC on my OLED I'm shocked at how razer clean it is. I can't afford a 4090 though