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Digital Foundry :- Does resolution really matter?
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Math? How does it work?
Both are running at 60hz for 99.9% of the time, with some drops to 50 for split second in big explosion in car gameplay sections based on the article. Rewatch it again.
We were doing the same thing with 1080p when it first came around. Resolution will always increase. 8k will make 4k look redundant. It's inevitable. In the grand scheme of things it won't make games from before unplayable tho. Some might say they can't play it but I genuinely believe that is a shame for those people.
I will say that high resolutions really can blow me away when I first see the game. A couple of hours in I'm just into the mechanics and don't even really notice it anymore
Like everything else resolution is one part that makes up a whole of a game and matters as much if not more so than many many other elements we consider important in visuals. Some games can benefit immensely from a jump of 900p ->1080p while others might not.
It's also something where tests on the average player are less useful than you might think, same goes for frame rate where people can't tell you what is 30 and what is 60 but benefit regardless.
It's also something where tests on the average player are less useful than you might think, same goes for frame rate where people can't tell you what is 30 and what is 60 but benefit regardless.
I agree with this all but video game have always been about compromises. They are a miserable pile of secrets.
lightchris
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People who don't notice a difference between 1080p and 720p would notice the difference between 1080p and 4K even less.
At the moment Xbone has the lead when it comes to games though (depending on what you like).
There is nothing in this article that favors Xbox, what the fuck are You talking about?
Read full article.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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..almost as amazing as all the DF haters that crawl from under their rocks whenever DF is mentioned on here.
It's a nice thing but I don't think it matter as much as you say.
I still find good ol' 15 khz 240p to be a thing of beauty and 480p on a good CRT TV can look gorgeous.
GunslingerVit
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Of course, the one article I started to write for DF got rejected on grounds of being too technical
Seriously? I found your tech analysis in the other topic (The Order?!) fascinating...
Handy Fake
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Kenshin001
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I don't' think I ever saw such an article on Eurogamer during the PS3 vs 360 face offs. To think it comes to this, an article questioning the relevancy of resolution. It must be a bitter pill for Leadbetter to swallow after all those years.
lol, brainfart.
To be fair, I simply wasn't interested in digging up in-game examples of everything I was talking about, or cutting down on any of the detail. The article ended up on Beyond3D.
I think there's some interesting implications for what happens next-gen.
Do we really want 4k game machines? Is that going to be all that beneficial for most people's viewing situations given the diminishing returns of upping resolution held against the vast power requirements that getting to that resolution requires? Imagine what next-gen machines could do if they were only asked to render at 1080p...
Do we really want 4k game machines? Is that going to be all that beneficial for most people's viewing situations given the diminishing returns of upping resolution held against the vast power requirements that getting to that resolution requires? Imagine what next-gen machines could do if they were only asked to render at 1080p...
aspiegamer
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Are we in September-October 2013 again in the dreaded Resolutiongate? Also needless bashing on Neilsen which is an industry standard in, well, every industry. They might as well mock and dismiss NPD results since those are also an industry benchmark.
Do we have any other sites that make an effort to professionally compare performance between consoles? DF has complete gone to hell in but a few weeks; Cratering faster than I ever thought a media outlet could. By extension it doesn't exactly speak well for broader Eurogamer. It might as well shut down if it says what they do best doesn't actually mean anything for any purposes other than to provide a new source of fanboy fuel. The internet already has too much of that crap.
What the hell? "By the way, please ignore all of these comparison tests we've been doing on the new consoles for the past 15 months because by personal decree the XBO now has 'performance profiles equivalent to or even better than their PS4 counterparts'". Odd, because heir recent comparisons have favored the XBO for non-technical reasons.
Do we have any other sites that make an effort to professionally compare performance between consoles? DF has complete gone to hell in but a few weeks; Cratering faster than I ever thought a media outlet could. By extension it doesn't exactly speak well for broader Eurogamer. It might as well shut down if it says what they do best doesn't actually mean anything for any purposes other than to provide a new source of fanboy fuel. The internet already has too much of that crap.
El-Pistolero
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Accusing DF as a whole is grotesque. Leadbetter, on the other hand, has had a pretty interesting stance since the reveal of the Xbox One.
No.
4K is 8.294400 million pixels
1080p is 2.073600 million pixels
720p is 921.600k pixels
1.21Gigawatts
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I always prefer native resolutions. Thatswhy I have a problem with many PsVita games.
Its not like this is a dealbreaker for me, but I for one am always evry disappointed with subnative resolutions. Be it Uncharted on Vita or BF4 on Ps4, I just don't like the look.
I don't get why we need to downplay differences between hardware and wish for the to go away. If one manufacturer built stronger hardware I think its fair to expect games to make use of it.
And since the consoles share like 95% of their software library and multiplats are what most people are playing its just natural that small differences in performance are huge deciding factors for many people.
Its not like this is a dealbreaker for me, but I for one am always evry disappointed with subnative resolutions. Be it Uncharted on Vita or BF4 on Ps4, I just don't like the look.
I don't get why we need to downplay differences between hardware and wish for the to go away. If one manufacturer built stronger hardware I think its fair to expect games to make use of it.
And since the consoles share like 95% of their software library and multiplats are what most people are playing its just natural that small differences in performance are huge deciding factors for many people.
LOL, really? That's pretty stupid. I love tech articles that go more in depth to explain the graphical features being used. That IQ analysis of yours in The Order thread was interesting and I want to see more of those, not a tech article about gameplay...Of course, the one article I started to write for DF got rejected on grounds of being too technical
GunslingerVit
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Thanks!
Isn't it the Xbox the platform with lower res games? Another coincidence?
I agree with the first part. The second, however, I don't.
Framerate is more important with some genres, especially if you're playing competitively. However, a lot of genres you don't need over 30FPS.
Course, this is all preference in the end. I don't play many competitive, or fast paced games that benefit from higher framerates. So consequently, I value image fidelity higher in most cases.
DeFiBkIlLeR
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Well that's like saying imagine what the PS4 & Xbox could do if they were only going to run at 720p, would people be happy with the lower resolution but nicer shaders?
I don't think so, 720p is yesterdays news.
1080p will be yesterdays news for PS5.
What current gen console generally has a lower resolution?
It is another coincidence that in the 7 years prior to the xb1, digital foundry did not mention not thinking of doing an article like this for resolution differences of less than 10 to 20 percent.
Why would DF haters be around if DF wasn't mentioned?
chuckled.....
Yet visually, the difference is actually smaller unless you're pressed up against the screen.
Which is why all these 'its this many more pixels better' arguments are quite silly. That's a more useful metric to think about when talking about how you power a resolution, but in terms of what we see, going above 1080p hits diminishing returns pretty hard.
I guess that's what I heard, not the amount of pixels.
Edit: I bring the pwnage on a 22" monitor at 3 ft distance and suck horribly on a 40" TV that is 10ft away. Input lag on my 22" is <30ms and the 40" is <60ms.
Input lag, viewing distance, refresh/FPS, screen reflectivity, screen & input resolution... It all plays a factor in how we game. I'm probably failing to list all the factors.
You're really thinking about this the wrong way.
The perceived difference between something like 576p and 720p is much much greater than 900p to 1080p. The higher the resolutions in question, the less it ultimately matters. The difference between 2160p and 2880p, for instance, isn't going to be nearly as significant despite the actual difference (in terms of pixels) being much greater.
Yeah and I said to agree in general. But the problem it's another here: can you explain the exact intent of this article. It's not exactly tech informative so what is it? What's the point?
I'm not a hater and I bet most aren't I just don't like the direction they've been heading they use to be the go to now they've let their own preferences cloud what use to be very objective articles.
The improvement from 720p to 1080p, while not massive, is still pretty nice in a living room situation. The point is that you don't quite get that same sort of jump when talking about 4k. You've got to have quite a big TV or sit quite close. How many people are going to benefit from it exactly?
I'm sure next-gen gaming systems will be 4k, and people will flip their lids over it, but in the end, I do have to wonder whether or not using those vastly more powerful machines to render at 4k isn't somewhat wasteful.
Insane Metal
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That's weird, it used to matter.....
Hahaha this reply is awesome. And true.
What about 720 p to 1080 p there's many of them about this gen. Bigger than any gap of last gen.
yes it is but we aare talking about smaller differences in resolution, like 1024x600 and 1024x720 being called out obviously in favour of the higher resolution. and then we have larger gaps here like 1600x900 and 1920x1080 not mattering.
I fear for the first 4K console gen. I could see a bunch of games very limited in scope just to hit that 4K target. People will still be complaining that assets look no better then current gen because they need to be held back to hit performance targets at the massive resolution increase.
icecold1983
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I think this is about the second mention of 90%+
239 on PS4
159 on Xbox One.
I get what you guys mean (big third party AAA multiplats) but the mid AA and Indies are not and they are increasingly a player on consoles. Comes out to 66%.
Lets just say for what matters, 85% and I am just making this number up on the fly.
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