And the funny thing is that HRAA that uses flipquad, which is pretty much the successor to QAA is considered "the best" by so many people.
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Digital Foundry :- Does resolution really matter?
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And the funny thing is that HRAA that uses flipquad, which is pretty much the successor to QAA is considered "the best" by so many people.
MilkyJoe
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Not all games.
StrongBlackVine
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No just the vast majority.
?? vast just means massive comparred to the lowest and highest options
MilkyJoe
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"sarcastic comments on their failures"
HORRORSHØW
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lmao we're bring up the dictionary now.
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the headline and lead reads like an op/ed piece from gamefaqs weekly and reeks of junk journalism.
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the headline and lead reads like an op/ed piece from gamefaqs weekly and reeks of junk journalism.
X1 is the gaming medias darling. I think we all know the answer to that one.
There we have it. Nailed it with this post. Also I don't want to argue with anyone. People have different opinions.
I take issue with people who can't admit the ps4 is the more powerful console. It just is. It's never going to change. I also think resolution isn't the be all and end all on gaming and it concerns me that people can actually loathe a console and insult people that choose that console to play it's exclusives or don't care. Make your purchase decision based on what you care about but don't insult people or make snide comments like " I can't believe people choose to buy that weak assed piece of shit xbox" I mean seriously?
justsomeguy
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Nvm
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#1 doesnt mean absolute.
justsomeguy
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Yeah - realised after posting that's why I just deleted my post but u were too quick to reply!
Heh. You said it not me xD
Honestly though you're right, we do know how Leadbetter would sing and dance if roles were reversed. Anyway DF is his thing, he can do and say as he pleases.
Dictator93
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"gaming media's darling?" Is this supposed to mean... in a positive way?
Because all I can remember and think about is how the X1 was torn to shreds by gamers and the game's media.
Because all I can remember and think about is how the X1 was torn to shreds by gamers and the game's media.
MilkyJoe
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Have a day off, hey?
To be honest that was a fail attempt at sarcasm.
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You know what... I usually try to be as polite and respectful to anybody I'm replying to regardless of how much they may disagree with me... but you can fuck right off with this BS. I was directly asked if developers lowering the resolution was out of preference (i.e. choice). It is. As has been demonstrated plenty of times the console could easily handle 1080p with less complex graphics. This gen could be full of games that are graphically similar to the best looking 360 or PS3 games, and 1080p (at 60fps) would be feasible pretty much across the board. The reason this doesn't happen is that the devs prefer to push more complex graphics, even if it necessitates lowering the resolution. There are compromises everywhere in games development. 900p is one of them, 30fps is another. These things are not forced by the hardware explicitly, regardless of how much you may like to believe they are.
EVERY console is limited by its hardware. What ends up on your screen is simply a result of how developers CHOOSE to utilise the performance available to them. This is as true for the PS4 as it is the Xbox One as it is for the Wii U.
I ain't downplaying shit... Since you claim to have been following my posts here, then you should recall where I stated that I fully believe is Ryse were a PS4 game, with identical graphical fidelity, I'd expect it to run at 1080p without trouble. That's completely separate from any of the points I've been making, which are largely platform independent. People such as yourself make it very difficult to discuss anything rationally on these boards, because any time somebody makes a post that doesn't caress your preferred platform to your liking, you lash the fuck out at them regardless of the point they're actually making.
Ardenyal
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You remember incorrect, media was trying to downplay the whole thing as a dumb twitter campaign.
EASTC0AST_GH05T
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I have no preferred platform the gaming device I spend the most time on at the moment is The PS Vita and my tablet. People like you always claiming objection as fanboying. I am just a gamer who would appreciate it if gaming sites like DF who have a voice remain as straight shooters. There really shouldn't even be a dicussion here, does resolution matter? yes it does no ifs and or buts about it.
If you read the article its arguing exactly that. The snappy headline lets the content down but its not saying resolution doesn't matter at all.
and if you read the post I was replying to you'd get I was responding to that users comment. I even bolded and underlined it.
your last sentence is even repeating my point.
Birgitte2004
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I have a gaming PC. I still prefer console gaming.
Just because PC elitists such as yourself exist, doesn't mean that consoles have no advantages, or reasons why people would want them.
My #1 reason for preferring consoles? Physical media. I bet your mind just exploded.
thelastword
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I've never attacked the person/s writing the article. I've only commented on the inconsistencies I see and suggest ways it could be improved. It just so happens that there is a flood of inconsistencies across many-many faceoffs. This is definitely not personal, I do so because it's objective data and some of the findings could be seen as inadmissible to the discussion based on inherent errors.
I'm sure and I hope you guys are willing to improve, but if we say nothing, I just fail to see how that helps you or DF in general. To be honest, I don't think you are a fanboy. I don't think you have bad intentions, but if there are some errors I will point it out.
On the flipside, you will never see me chastising a review guy who gives say "the order 1886" a 1/5. It's his opinion it's really on him. If he thinks the order is in the same bracket as superman 64, big rigs or bad rats, it's really a subjective case. Even though I think he's bonkers, I can't take him to task too much.
So yes, I don't judge the article before I read it, there's no pre-conceived notion on my part, you will never see me say "Leadbetter lulz" and driveby, I always discuss the point. Hell, Leadbetter just did a nice piece on Uncharted 2, lots of good information and less of muddying the waters on his part. I'm sure I've given you props on a faceoff or two before, I just call it how I see it, but man you've got to admit, DF is in a bad place right now and if they don't get better soon, I'm not sure they'll be around too much longer.
Krauser Kat
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Thank you for picking the only thing consoles do better than pcs. That is just preferential thing. Objectively, is a whole other matter.
This article makes me sad. Having a mostly objective tech reporting body for videogames is essential.
Capcom really screwed the pooch on this one. Im not picking it up (on pc) until the whole set is already online.
If that's truly the case then I don't see how you have any problem with my posts. The points I'm making aren't dependent on the platform and as aren't false. If you'd like to point out which post has me downplaying the performance delta between PS4 and Xbox One, then quote it for me now and underline specifically what you're referring to, because as far as I'm concerned I haven't done that at all here, and have only been discussing how developers choose to deal with it being weaker hardware.
So yea, apologies if I'm reading your intent wrong, but it is honestly the only logical conclusion I can arrive at for what motivated you to respond to my post the way you did. You mentioned in an earlier reply to Jay about how the PS3 got dragged for being weaker. To me it seems that your issue with my post is simply that I don't do the same to the X1, not that anything I'm saying is actually false.
serversurfer
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I don't think a significant number of people are hating on the Bone because it's weaker. A good number of people are hating on Digital Foundry for trying to claim that it really isn't and/or that it suddenly doesn't matter anyway. A good number of people are also hating on MS for making it weaker just so it could run Windows. If some people think that running Windows on your console is more important than gaming performance, that's fine, but then why not let PC World fellate the Bone? Why is that still DF's job?I'm just trying to stress there will always be a weaker console. Why hate on it for being weaker. If there's good games it's fine. Nintendo cut the hardware to have a second screen And I personally wouldn't have it any other way. Those nintendo games look amazing. Even at 720p. I feel sorry for people that wouldn't play those games due to resolution. Anyway I've made my points.
The problem with the Ryse example isn't the claim that it looks good despite being 900p, because that's true. The problem is the implication that the same game wouldn't have looked better at 1080p, because that's false.
Do you not see that the entire article that follows is an attempt to explain why our purchasing decisions are "ridiculous and unbelievable"? It's damage control, and nothing more.
And here's what they said about the lack of foliage on the Bone in GTA5: "However, it's fair to say this isn't something which impacts the enjoyment of the Xbox One game" So when the PlayStation version is lacking, it's massively less fun, but when the XBox version is lacking, it makes no difference.
Actually, Morgan was the guy who declared Diablo a tie, despite the fact that the Bone was experiencing "prolonged" frame drops to the low 50s early in the game. He also declared GTA5 an effective tie "largely like-for-like" despite all of the clear advantages on the PS4, seemingly solely because of a claimed-but-unproven performance deficit while driving on the PS4. Dark's recommendation that you get the PS4 version of DA:I if IQ is most important to you and the Bone version if performance matters to you more strikes me as fairly reasonable, assuming the frame rate tests were conducted properly.
I don't think Dark is part of the problem, and I do recognize he's stuck between a rock and a hard place here, but I don't think the downplaying at DF is limited to Leadbetter. Also, while I understand why Dark may feel the need to defend Leadbetter and DF in general, that's not really his responsibility. There's nothing preventing Leadbetter from responding himself. In fact, I'm sure that most here would prefer that he did, especially Dark. lol
Fox_Mulder
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Digital Foundry is pure hypocrisy
Well they are consistent in that the lesson to be learned is that DF thinks nothing technical really matters - not resolution, not framerate. 900p and 1080p is largely a wash just as 50-60fps is largely a wash with "perfect" 60fps.
It's obvious that now only "quality gameplay experiences" matters (online experience is grouped in there too, so Xbox Live does matter however). Hey DF is made up of people and people are allowed to change their minds about things. Last gen they cared more about performance, this gen they've decided that gameplay experiences is more important, I don't see a problem with that.
Well maybe the disconnect is coming from your misunderstanding of DF's stance on these kinds of things. Look at the Diablo 3 example posted earlier. Apparently better frame rate isn't very important at all. To be honest with DF's perception of game performance these days, I'm fully expecting an article soon with a title of something along the lines of "Does PC really look better than console?" Can the majority of people really tell a difference between the highest end PC and a PS4/XB1? Eh probably not.
thelastword
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This type of talk reminds me of marketing 101 in college, but I can't say I agree with your viewpoint because that sword is two-edged, just that one side cuts deeper.
Knowing that a company is reputable for quality is great, but things don't always stay the same, so you absolutely must do your research to know what's worth your money at the time of purchase, this will or should always take precedence over a brand name. In that instance, resolution (which is basically, tech, spec, a feature) is a good measure of making a purchasing decision, perhaps the most bonafide method too. This of course, really makes Leadbetter's abject distate of the pollees choice a bit disconcerting.
When I used to game on PC for a bit, I bought two 1920 * 1200 monitors from ACER, so many issues; monitors would get extremely hot, sometimes it didn't display any visual on bootup, they both died with a completely broken picture, where I was not able to resolve anything on screen. Similar to this.
Of course they were of a popular brand, so when the first one died, I bought the second acer monitor because I figured "maybe it was just a bad one in the batch" the second was chosen from a more advanced line, still, they both died with the same issue the picture details.
Sometimes just trusting a brand can hurt, brands can be tarnished, but better specs are never tarnished and are always superior to lower specs. I'm pretty sure that the xbox brand was tarnished a good deal with it's initial DRM policy and to a lesser extent, gimping it's gpu power for gaming in the push for Kinect and TV. Now if anyone did their research they would have known that, but instead you have people like Misterxmedia spreading his propaganda. It's just sad that many believe him, perhaps because they're so hooked on the brand. It really says something about xbox owners to be honest.
By the way, the best lcd monitor I had, was some no name brand originating from a small company in china, A 17" CMV monitor, I actually sold it when I got the first 24" Acer. (what a mistake that was). This Qnix IPS panel I have now seems to be taking the top spot though, based on it's superb quality and apple parts. It's really not about what the name on the product is, what's inside is eternally more important
I think the accusation is that if the XBO was the superior spec box this gen, their focus would not have suddenly been to gameplay over performance. And the weaker system would get called out in their head to head articles.
Shin-Ra
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But you don't seem to care if things aside from display resolution are better as well.
Yeah, sadly we'll never know. But now that Richard and the Morgan guy have taken this stance, I guess it'll be this way for the rest of this console generation meaning there is a great opportunity for someone to step in to fill the gap left by DF for a more pure technical analysis.
I mean that or they just decide to give dark10x every single Face-Off from now on.
I just made the jump to 1440p and it is very lovely. However, if I had to chose between 1440p/30 and 1080p/60, I would go with the ladder. I've tried gaming at 120fps but the jump from 60fps to 120fps isn't as noticeable as the 30 to 60 jump. I often switch between console and PC so I wouldn't call myself a "PC Elitist".
What really should be said is game art > resolution but that's a whole other topic.
What really should be said is game art > resolution but that's a whole other topic.
thelastword
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Sometimes I really wish Ryse came to the PS4 because I'm pretty sure it would be 1080p with a solid 30fps with better effects too. I'm pretty sure all praise of ryse would stop at that point too. I think they use ryse to compare mostly because it's a console exclusive. A console exclusive that's not even native or holds a solid 30fps.
I recently read that faceoff and watched the videos from DF, the PS4 version of Diablo is consistently at 60fps, the xbone version is consistently a couple of frames below, at least in the first part of the video, towards the latter part there was hardly any enemies on screen, so it was a bit more consistent on the Xbone.
I don't remember anybody saying that they'd rather 900p and a more solid 60fps because they can't see the difference in resolution, a lot of persons liked the 1080p 50ish framerate apparently. I hope I didn't read the wrong thread or that there were many, because I didn't see such comments.
The GTA thing though was strange and it just shows that DF will take a random drop in a not so like for like situation and blow it out of proportion. I watched DF's own videos and the PS4 has a consistent 5fps advantage in shootout scenes/explosions for lengthy periods, whilst the driving parts were just split second random hitches across intersections, these parts were not even like for like either. The PS4 always seem to be heavy in the action in these scenes. I see GTA5 as a clear winner on PS4 in all departments to be honest.
Birgitte2004
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Oh puh-lease. Consoles have other advantages than physical media, and only the PC-elitist of the PC-elitist think otherwise.
Is it any wonder why people who actually like consoles simply roll their eyes at people like you?
SEGAvangelist
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Why are you trying to downplay Ryse? It still looks amazing over a year after the XB1's launch. It was also developed with early dev tools and before the Kinect GPU reserve was freed up. It's even impressive before all that is considered.
I assume its 720p? I've used my PS4 on a 720p screen and everything was readable in the few games I have. I guess there could be a weird outlier case but I don't know it.
This is the paradox we face. MS are the manufacturer that has to advertise the shit out of their machine because it's struggling due to incredibly bad word of mouth initially and the big gaming sites have lots of ad space to sell.
Watching them all line up for a MS golden shower to the point it wrecks their reputation is nauseating but understandable as to why it's happening. MS have a lot of money to spend out of necessity and Sony don't really need to.
qualitydisc
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NoMoChokeSJ
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Every manufacturer and publisher advertises their products. Acting like MS is exclusive in high priced and extensive advertising is ridiculous. Destiny's HUGE advertising budget was talked about extensively on these boards and it promoted the PS4 out the yang. The moneyhatting claims are old and tired, and more importantly unsubstantiated.
Activision is not Sony or MS.
I rarely go by brand (coke being an exception) but I'm not describing a viewpoint but a market reality for many. Statistics vary but there's no doubt a great many purchases are weakly researched and rely on established preferences.This type of talk reminds me of marketing 101 in college, but I can't say I agree with your viewpoint because that sword is two-edged, just that one side cuts deeper.
Knowing that a company is reputable for quality is great, but things don't always stay the same, so you absolutely must do your research to know what's worth your money at the time of purchase, this will or should always take precedence over a brand name. In that instance, resolution (which is basically, tech, spec, a feature) is a good measure of making a purchasing decision, perhaps the most bonafide method too. This is of course really makes Leadbetter's abject distate of the pollees choice a bit disconcerting.
When I used to game on PC for a bit, I bought two 1920 * 1200 monitors from ACER, so many issues; monitors would get extremely hot, sometimes it didn't display any visual on bootup, they both died with a completely broken picture, where I was not able to resolve anything on screen. Similar to this.
Of course they were of a popular brand, so when the first one died, I bought the second acer monitor because I figured "maybe it was just a bad one in the batch" the second was chosen from a more advanced line, still, they both died with the same issue the picture details.
Sometimes just trusting a brand can hurt, brands can be tarnished, but better specs are never tarnished and are always superior to lower specs. I'm pretty sure that the xbox brand was tarnished a good deal with it's initial DRM policy and to a lesser extent, gimping it's gpu power for gaming in the push for Kinect and TV. Now if anyone did their research they would have known that, but instead you have people like Misterxmedia spreading his propaganda. It's just sad that many believe him, perhaps because they're so hooked on the brand. It really says something about xbox owners to be honest.
By the way, the best lcd monitor I had, was some no name brand originating from a small company in china, A 17" CMV monitor, I actually sold it when I got the first 24" Acer. (what a mistake that was). This Qnix IPS panel I have now seems to be taking the top spot though, based on it's superb quality and apple parts. It's really not about what the name on the product is, what's inside is eternally more important
I'm not saying I agree (which you somehow seem to be inferring from your post) I'm metely pointing out brand matters a great deal in consumer market and many purchase on perception not researched facts.
You're describing a view I get (and mostly subscribe to myself particularly for any purchases of note) but it's just not what drives a lot of consumer behaviour.
thelastword
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I'm not downplaying it, what I'm saying about it is factual. I'm not saying it's not a nice looking game, but it is sub native and it does have framerate issues. I'm just saying I won't put it in the same class as the order " which is native and has a good framerate This only means that a native ryse with a better framerate would make a better impression.
I understood that you did not necessarily prescribe to the viewpoint, I was just attempting to expand on the point a little. As it would seem, PS4 purchasers based their purchase more on a technical foundation as opposed to faith in a manufacturer.
Agreed though, people do make purchases based on brand, I just have not believed in that method since forever as it could prove so fickle. I still remember persons who bought Monster component/hdmi cables....
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