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Digital Foundry Face-Off: Dragon Age: Inquisition
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BigTnaples
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Playing DAI on PS4 yesterday for the first time I was very impressed with how well it ran.. cutscenes have a real animation problem but you can tell its the animations and not the framerate.. I restarted the character creation part 3 times and I noticed one of the times it ran smooth and the other 2 didnt, so its something that may be fixed. as soon as a cutscene is over the game becomes smooth again, and during gameplay small fluctuations in framerate exist but are hard to really notice.
DF should have run the framecounter during some cutscenes too.
DF should have run the framecounter during some cutscenes too.
ninjablade
Banned
yea but i would think the difference should be more noticeable, with multiplatform games, since devs would have a much easier time with the faster ram, compared to XB1 slow ram, and limited bandwidth.
The article made no attempt to address the likelihood of the reader in perceiving the frame drops (while DF has had no issues in the past telling readers how difficult it must be to notice a 30%+ difference in resolutions).
A reader, not given a perspective on the problem, may very well avoid the PS4 version even if he may very well not perceive the issue (5-10% difference, in certain conditions), and miss out on the gamewide 30% advantage in image resolution. Like this ltwood12 guy above.
iceatcs
Junior Member
And it is, because dude, it is 900p vs 1080p at same preformace, lol
900p against 1080p is way bigger gap than last gen resolution-gate.
I'd rather have 1080p with a few drops here and there, as long as the drops aren't down into the teens constantly which this isn't.
What i don't get is why developers can't start giving us PC style graphics options for stuff like this, i don't mean as in depth as the options PC's have but just some simple settings.
These consoles are close to PC's to be fair.
Where I have said there are all?
How just said, dynamic res should be the best choice to tearing and fps unstable. It's more tough to catch for the eyes.
Stallion Free
Cock Encumbered
Woah:
Woah:
Someone seem happy behind the curtain.
I'd imagine nearly every PS3 example you're thinking of would fail to qualify. It's very uncommon.
As for it being proved. Well DF has done the same analysis on multiple Forza games (and Driveclub) to come to that conclusion. It's at least as provable as it would be for any Nintendo game that you'd be confident in obtaining the same.
Woah:
That looks like a texture load problem to me. There is no reason for next gen consoles to have textures that low.
You can imagine what you want. You can't believe me, it's not my fault. Your convictions are only yours. I can't do so much for this.
Portugeezer
Member
I agree, but DF said it like that is the normal texture in the console version and that some textures are randomly low.
Woah:
Seems like a texture load issue to me. Texture quality on consoles is pretty high in general, don't know about this specific thing they have found.
Sucks for them? they are your readers and almost all of them own an LCD, your article made it seems like 900P isn't too bad which is false cause like you said, on LCD it will look like shit, your article downplay this fact, nobody cares that on your Kuro 900P looks fine, it's misleading for most readers who owns LCD.
Meh, both versions look pretty good.
I'd like to see how the PS360 versions compare.
After playing DA:O Ultimate on PS3 with its many performance flaws... we've reached a point where graphics are "good enough". Devs should focus more on stable framerate.
I did enjoy the game anyway.
I'd like to see how the PS360 versions compare.
After playing DA:O Ultimate on PS3 with its many performance flaws... we've reached a point where graphics are "good enough". Devs should focus more on stable framerate.
I did enjoy the game anyway.
You can see the wall textures and the barrel textures look the same as the PC version, it has to be a loading problem.
I do hope that they can do a better job with ME4 (have same frame rate profile as XBONE at 1080p) or simply drop the resolution to attain parity. Fluctuations depending more upon frequency, and somewhat upon magnitude (provided it doesn't drop to teens) would be more critical in a shooter environment.
Of course I don't really mean that, but those replies were ridiculous.
People know what 900p looks like which is why the conclusion is buy PS4 if you care most about image quality or buy XO if you care more about frame-rate. It's really that simple.
Everyone has different opinions on what's more or less important to them.
Oh, it's not. A higher resolution texture never appears on that statue even while waiting there.
Texture quality is generally very good on console but there are select items throughout the world that look rather poor for whatever reason.
Succinct Verbosity
Member
The framerate drops are uite noticeable on PS4 at certain points, but I just attribute that to typical Bioware laziness. Mass Effect often dropped to 25 frames and below, and I could deal with that... So this is nothing.
There's no sense in trying to disclose the likelihood of a reader noticing, because there's no way to measure that. Just like we don't actually know the likelihood of them noticing the lowered resolution. The player also wouldn't ever necessarily see the game running at 1080p in order to have a point of comparison, whereas they actually do have a point of comparison for frame drops even if they never encounter another version of the game.
If the user purchases the wrong version as a result of reading that their are "minor" performances issues, despite there even being a video included, then that's on them. It's not DF's job to sell the PS4 version because you prefer 1080p. The article as it stands is like biased then the criticisms you are putting forward against it.
And how do you know LTWood12 is:
a) Going to avoid the PS4 version.
b) more sensitive to resolution than framerate.
?
qa_engineer
Member
Why are you surprised? It's running at 1600x900 vs 1080p or higher on other platforms.
qa_engineer
Member
Those saying they should have dropped the resolution clearly don't own the game. It plays well and you don't notice the drops.
It's not a trend, but Xbone games that run at lower res but a more stable framerate have been with us from the very beginning of this gen in Cod Ghosts. Whn another one pops up it shouldn't be a shock.
Ya, it's a bit ridiculous to me. The framerate drops are nearly imperceptible, but the resolution difference will be staring you in the face almost 100% of the time that you're playing.
Console wars will be console wars.
Exactly my point.
Consoles usually have instances where devs decide to cut back on specific textures. There can be a mix of high and low textures where as pc scalability usually has them all grouped by low and high.
Well that's weird, but I've noticed something similar at the templar base near the waterfall, a couple of trees are low res 2D sprites and they stick as they are next to the rocks. But just like the statue in the screen comparison it's so out of place that it seems like some kind of bug or mistake, not something done because of console limitations.
Forza games have notoriously impeccable framerates.
Honestly, I'd always take a completely stable frame-rate over improved image quality. I've always felt that way which is why I've had argument with Durante and those that prefer superior image quality over rock solid performance.
Same reason why, in some cases, I lock my PC games to 30 fps if I can't hold a completely stable 60 fps. Consistency is important.
For console owners that prefer image quality to consistent performance, however, the PS4 version provides just that.
I notice a ridiculous amount of stutter during cutscenes, but the actual gameplay itself is very smooth on PS4.
Coz its a more powerful console like I said further on in the thread.
Mental note "Next time PS4 runs Less stable than Xbone don't be surprised". Actually I'll expect it now.
Cheers
iceatcs
Junior Member
I have been called out for asking below 900p for better stable. So no one is happy in either way.
Please don't start this.
semiconscious
Member
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Mikey Jr.
Member
You would never be able to tell me when da drops from 30 to 27. I know that already.
People called you out because you were talking about the X1 version, the version that is pretty much locked at 30fps while its the PS4 version that drops more.
Dual Blade
Member
This makes me question the whole review. How far did you really get in the game? In 8 hours I was barely out of the Hinterlands and single digits in level. I was no where near a demanding part in the game. I am aware I'm playing for fun and not a review.
Framerate perception isn't linear. Some people can easily tell frame drop for 30 to below 30 were as it is harder to see say 30 to 35. Even harder to see 55 to 60.
There are also some people who have their consoles hooked up to 720p TVs. I don't have an Xbone yet but when I do it will be going in the den attached to this Samsung UN32EH4003:
http://www.displaylag.com/a-recap-of-2012-best-gaming-hdtvs/
I guess I came across differently to how I intended with that comment, based on your reply.
I don't know what you meant by "enough" racers. However perfectly locked framerates are an extreme minority, even in racers. Even games that immediately come to mind like Ridge Racer 7, do not maintain a perfectly locked framerate. The list of potential candidates is really slim regardless of if we're talking 30fps or 60fps.
IAmRandom31
Banned
that is my only issue
actually saying, yeah you should get X version because Y version has framerate issues when those issues in no way hamper gameplay and are not even noticeable to basically everyone playing is ridiculous