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[nikolino840]

Ya I’m gonna wait for PC. Hopefully they incorporate DLSS.

Yoshida says that for the same experience and quality you must have at least a 2000$ pc...

 

[adamsapple]

Thats what you will get when you want 60 fps for next gen games. Star wars drops to 600p.

yeah ...

 

[MidGenRefresh]

What massive boycott?

I believe some outlets had problems with not enough of what racists refer to as “people of color” in the game.

 

[GymWolf]

Does quality mode still have that dogshit motion blur everytime you move the camera?

 

[NeonGhost]

Thats what you will get when you want 60 fps for next gen games. Star wars drops to 600p.

Aren’t both Star Wars and FF forcing some form of ray tracing on their 60fps modes ?

 

[DeepEnigma]

720p in any mode on a PS5 should not be a thing.

This happens on both systems. Star Wars.

 

[midasmulligan]

Damn, they’ve really sh*t the bed on performance w/my two most anticipated releases. First JS and now this. So 720p is the new 4k, eh? We’re targeting Switch performance on the ps5? Ffs

 

[RoboFu]

720p and 1080p? ooff..

 

[BennyBlanco]

Yoshida says that for the same experience and quality you must have at least a 2000$ pc...

Fine with me

 

[MidGenRefresh]

Does quality mode still have that dogshit motion blur everytime you move the camera?

Why do we even care? 60FPS mode is here, let’s celebrate!

 

[sendit]

"We don't need Pro consoles, 30 FPS is fine"

 

[Kataploom]

Definitely waiting for a PC port, I'm ok with 1440p but it should be native and not dynamic... And won't compromise frame rate just for resolution though, this game seems to fall into a pit of too bad IQ to me (and I'm not THAT demanding on IQ) or bad frame rate.

 

[FoxMcChief]

This happens on both systems. Star Wars.

I skipped that game, so I had no idea. But yes, I will clarify that 720p shouldn’t be thing for either PS5 or Xbox Series X. I’d expect it from Series S(is)

 

[GymWolf]

Why do we even care? 60FPS mode is here, let’s celebrate!

I'm not gonna play a perf mode that is not close to being locked and that go down to 720p in 2023, fuck that.

But from your answer i guess the dogshit blur is still there.

Oh well...

 

[cash_longfellow]

FSR is ok getting you to 4k from a decent internal resolution but 720p upscaled with FSR can look worse than native 720p as soon as the camera moves so unless you stay completely still at all times you're going to have a bad time.

Idk…I played through the entirety of the demo twice in performance mode and everything felt and looked good to me, aside from the occasional bigger drops in frame rate. I’m also not a huge resolution guy normally, so that could be it as well. I just definitely don’t see 720p anywhere though, at least not in the Switch type sense

 

[FoxMcChief]

"We don't need Pro consoles, 30 FPS is fine"

I’m fine with 30 fps if we get a good resolution with good visual effects.

 

[PeteBull]

0 surprise, its ps5 exclusive so no excuses of last gen /weak pc specs bringing it down, we simply need ps5pr0 to play this game properlly in 60fps and decent res(which in this case would probably be 1080p native upscaled by fsr to 4k ).

Many of us keep forgetting but 500$ closed boxes that launched back in nov 2020 dont have unlimited power.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

I'm not gonna play a perf mode that is not close to being locked and that go down to 720p in 2023, fuck that.

Well at least they gave you…. OPTIONS.

 

[Zathalus]

Yoshida says that for the same experience and quality you must have at least a 2000$ pc...

Which is of course bullshit. A $900 PC will perform better.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I skipped that game, so I had no idea. But yes, I will clarify that 720p shouldn’t be thing for either PS5 or Xbox Series X. I’d expect it from Series S(is)

Which is why RT should be optional and not forced in these modes.

 

[GymWolf]

Well at least they gave you…. OPTIONS.

Sure, terrible options are better than nothing i guess.

I love how japanese devs always get a free pass for their shitty performances.

 

[PeteBull]

I’m fine with 30 fps if we get a good resolution with good visual effects.

Good isnt very clear, and can mean very different things for different ppl, gotta be specific here, for example ue5 demo ran at 1440p30fps.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Which is of course bullshit. A $900 PC will perform better.

Nah

 

[adamsapple]

Which is why RT should be optional and not forced in these modes.

FWIW in the video John says the shadow implementation shows characteristics but he could not rule it as being ray traced shadows 100%.

 

[Musilla]

Square has added movement to the vegetation, in the demo a few months ago it was totally static even with this hurricane wind, good for them

 

[Zathalus]

Nah

12400f, 32GB RAM, 16GB 6800XT, 1TB Nvme, all can be built for ~$900.

Damn right it will perform better.

 

[Kacho]

0 surprise, its ps5 exclusive so no excuses of last gen /weak pc specs bringing it down, we simply need ps5pr0 to play this game properlly in 60fps and decent res(which in this case would probably be 1080p native upscaled by fsr to 4k ).

Many of us keep forgetting but 500$ closed boxes that launched back in nov 2020 dont have unlimited power.

Yep, sad that we're already begging for Pro consoles but it's time if you care about performance.

 

[FoxMcChief]

Good isnt very clear, and can mean very different things for different ppl, gotta be specific here, for example ue5 demo ran at 1440p30fps.

I think anything above 1080p is good. But that’s just me. But I think 1440p that’s gets reworked in a good way(clean IQ) at 30 fps is all I need for this generation of consoles.

 

[Darsxx82]

This happens on both systems. Star Wars.

Stars Wars use FSR 2 which is much better in scaling quality (and also more demanding in fps).

Getting to such low resolutions makes sense when using FSR 2, but not when using FSR 1. PS: 720p FSR 2 equates to ~1200-1300p FSR1 on performance demand.

Which is why RT should be optional and not forced in these modes.

There is a good chance that RT is not being used

 

[Chukhopops]

Well at least they gave you…. OPTIONS.

Yeah there’s something deeply meta about this game having a Performance mode that you should absolutely not use in order to have the most enjoyable experience.

And it shows it’s only a matter of time before Performance modes on consoles disappear from most new AAA games.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Stars Wars use FSR 2 which is much better in scaling quality (and also more demanding in fps).

Getting to such low resolutions makes sense when using FSR 2, but not when using FSR 1. PS: 720p FSR 2 equates to ~1200-1300p FSR1 on performance demand.

Fantastic results,

yeah ...

 

[GHG]

Fucking 720p, 1080p, 1440p and people have the gall to say we don't need pro consoles?

Get the fuck outta here, I need a PS5 Pro asap.

 

[GymWolf]

0 surprise, its ps5 exclusive so no excuses of last gen /weak pc specs bringing it down, we simply need ps5pr0 to play this game properlly in 60fps and decent res(which in this case would probably be 1080p native upscaled by fsr to 4k ).

Many of us keep forgetting but 500$ closed boxes that launched back in nov 2020 dont have unlimited power.

So how do you explain other games looking on par or better and having locked 60 modes? (With one of them being a big open world game)

Ff16 is not the right game to push pro consoles (and i'm the first one who want a pro console), it just show how lazy some devs are.

 

[Nankatsu]

Reading the conclusions with more attention, I don't understand what's happening with performance mode, specially after playing the demo.

Sure, during it I could see some framedrops here and there, but for the most part it was crispy clean and performed well.

Anyway, I'm gonna start the game on Performance Mode with VRR enabled like I did in the demo.

 

[winjer]

We really need a PC port for this game. 30 fps is not nearly enough.

 

[MidGenRefresh]

We really need a PC port for this game. 30 fps is not nearly enough.

There’s a 60FPS option. They gave you options so why are you complaining?

 

[nikos]

I'm hyped and already bought the game but the console limitations are such a shame. Quality mode is not playable to me. Performance mode is lacking in both performance and visual fidelity.

Really wish we had a simultaneous PC release but I'm not going to wait for that.

 

[Zathalus]

Fucking 720p, 1080p, 1440p and people have the gall to say we don't need pro consoles?

Get the fuck outta here, I need a PS5 Pro asap.

To be fair, if it was a PC/PS5 release 4k would have been ours. Maybe even with some sweet DLAA sprinkled on top.

Alas, 30fps or 720p is our lot.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

12400f, 32GB RAM, 16GB 6800XT, 1TB Nvme, all can be built for ~$900.

Damn right it will perform better.

Good luck with all of that

 

[CrustyBritches]

I’ll be playing in Performance mode. The Quality mode motion blur was way too overwhelming for me. Despite the lower res, Performance mode looked cleaner in high motion scenes(i.e. combat).

 

[winjer]

There’s a 60FPS option. They gave you options so why are you complaining?

To get good frame rates and good image quality. Both, at the same time.

 

[TheKremlinBossMan]

Square has added movement to the vegetation, in the demo a few months ago it was totally static even with this hurricane wind, good for them

It was also moving in the revenge trailer before that showcase so we knew it was coming.

 

[Games of Today]

1080p-1440p using FSR1 to 4k at a near rock solid 30fps for quality mode.

Performance mode is significantly rougher, 720p-1080p with drops to 30fps. Combat is usually 60fps but resolution is 720p in that mode, but the larger Eikon fights still drop to the 30s.

I'm certainly going to play this in quality.

720p, OUchhhhhh

 

[GymWolf]

FWIW in the video John says the shadow implementation shows characteristics but he could not rule it as being ray traced shadows 100%.

Forspoken has rtx shadows but that was another engine i think.

 

[GHG]

To be fair, if it was a PC/PS5 release 4k would have been ours. Maybe even with some sweet DLAA sprinkled on top.

Alas, 30fps or 720p is our lot.

Well it's been abundantly clear that these consoles aren't powerful enough for a while now, as if it wasn't already apparent to those of us who already had PS5/series X equivalent hardware on PC (my previous card before I upgraded was a 2070 Super and it really wasn't fun trying to push 4k on that card towards the end of last year, even with DLSS).

Just give us the pro consoles so that those who want clean image quality along with decent framerates on console exclusives can have it.

I'll play in quality mode for now and if I like the game enough I'll go again at 60fps 4k when the PC version releases. Just don't be epic exclusive ffs.

 

[Zathalus]

Good luck with all of that

What? Getting it for that price? Easily enough, the 6800XT is like $500 while the CPU can be found for $140. Everything else is cheap as well.

Performance shouldn't be a problem either, 16GB VRAM and a GPU that is 60-70% faster then the PS5 should handle anything thrown at it.

A $2000 PC scales up to 4080 levels which will effortlessly run this game

 

[Coloress_Kafka]

So basically you get 60fps in combat and jank when walking around. I’ll take the resolution hit for a game that plays better.

 

[GreyHand23]

So how do you explain other games looking on par or better and having locked 60 modes? (With one of them being a big open world game)

Ff16 is not the right game to push pro consoles (and i'm the first one who want a pro console), it just show how lazy some devs are.

Has nothing to do with laziness and calling devs lazy needs to stop. Most likely it’s a limitation of their engine which appears to be a modified version of the FF14 engine. It’s not really designed for this type of game.

 

[Nautilus]

Kind of a mess tecnically, but one thing this game does right is the graphics. Square Enix has always been good on that front.

 

[Godot25]

Cool to have Performance mode.

That drops to 720p
And can't hold 60FPS

So it is basically useless.