I see. Thanks for the info. About what I expected then. Not bad at all
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Digital Foundry: Killzone Shadow Fall PS Meeting demo used 3GB of RAM & FXAA
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I see. Thanks for the info. About what I expected then. Not bad at all
Physics and animation is where I expect the most improvement. Animations were obviously placeholder and the hit reactions and blood were identical to KZ3. I'd also like to see better motion blur as well since that also looked the same as KZ3.
I'm digging the jobs system they are describing (just spawn massive amount of jobs). But I was also a big fan of erlang many years ago.
But it's a thread about the tech of a game. If you're not interested in tech then it's not the right thread. If you made a "I think Killzone sucks balls LTTP" thread and someone said you shouldn't have made it, they would be promptly banned, as threadwhining isn't allowed.
His post was pure trolling, plain and simple. He can veil it by claiming its an opinion, but there were a million other threads to do it in. We are getting way OT though.
PopcornMegaphone
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Yeah, I can see them prioritizing those over a proper MSAA as well if the CPU/GPU have enough headroom left. I'd imagine MSAA is near the bottom of their priority list given how good their implementation of FXAA is.
perineumlick
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People get banned for derailing threads with worthless, off topic discussion, just so you know. It ain't open season.
gundamkyoukai
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nhlducks35
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mysteriousmage09
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Good stuff, exciting! Also, one of the slides says "no MSAA at the moment" so they obviously aren't intending to stick with it.
More RAM won't really help for a better framerate. Keep in mind, the GPU is still limited to drawing a certain number of polygons per second and shader core clock.
What would be possible, with still so much RAM left, is the ability to load a lot of generic stuff beforehand. Like first person models, world models, enemies, textures, etc... Stuff that's used nearly all the time. Imagine pressing start on the title screen and continuing your last save. Two seconds black screen and bam, you're instantly already playing! And from that point on, more loading screens as you progress. All because the game cleverly loads future needed assets.
That is, if they actually implement that.
For all I care they can use the last 3GB to make the most spectacular Rico death scene ever.
ArisenDragon
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Read through those slides very awesome stuff understood a lot of it cause I have a cs degree was very interesting reading it.
Believe me, I know the exact strengths and weaknesses of most AA methods. I'd probably take FXAA over 2xMSAA, but even though it can have better quality on geometry edges than 4xMSAA there's no way I'd chose it above that. The drawbacks in terms of sub-pixel aliasing, blurring of false positives and reduced temporal stability are too severe.
I agree unless the 32 ROPs in the final PS4 GPU help with MSAA a lot. We don't know the specs of the devkit GPU so those may not have been included.
perineumlick
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Someone in the know, can you explain to me what this info would mean concerning destructible environments? Would the bump in memory give GG more leeway to improve this area? KZ2 did it pretty well, if sparingly; KZ3 I didn't notice it as much. I'm not expecting Battlefield level destruction, but it would be nice to see some walls and structures blasted to bits next gen style.
So is MLAA a thing of the past already or what? Seemed to give some pretty awesome results.
Dunno about KZ3, but there wasn't that much of it in KZ2. The impressive pieces were 100% scripted, the rest was mostly a few pillars on some maps (eg radec Academy).
Dunno about KZ3, but there wasn't that much of it in KZ2. The impressive pieces were 100% scripted, the rest was mostly a few pillars on some maps (eg radec Academy).
I guess they just have to settle for being true.
It depends on if the CPU or the compute abilities of the GPU are up to it but yes, RAM can help with things like destruction. This is also one of my biggest wants for SF.
CambriaRising
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Well it isn't some kind of achievement, thats for sure. There are better solutions, but I can understand why consoles use FXAA.
I found the blurring with MLAA to be much worse than FXAA. Especially HUD elements.
fabricated backlash
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So why are both the WiiU GPU and CPU dieshot thread filled with marketing discussion? Right now, the fanboys rule, and with E3 around the corner it's going to be almost insufferable. I hope this shit blows over ... oh who am I kidding.
As for the unaccounted 3.5 GB of RAM they're going to have left to play with, I hope they use them mostly on opening up the level design. Instead of just giving vistas, let people explore and find their own routes and flanking positions.
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But seriously can we not do this in a technical discussion thread
BTW More RAM helps in having more NPC's on screen right?
The PS3 MLAA was handled by Cell which is why it looked better than a lot of the PC implementations of it. It's probably a pain to port that over to PS4.
That is true.
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Need those idle SPUs.
Beermeister
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2:nd gen PS4 games will look amazing and 3:rd gen... *mind blown*
gundamkyoukai
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So the KZ SF has 40k polys for highest LOD models while KZ3 was 10k .
That is a nice jump along with a huge jump for textures.
That is a nice jump along with a huge jump for textures.
perineumlick
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Cool. I'm also eager to see some cool lighting and shadows; like that train level in KZ2. Color is always nice, but KZ does dark and bleak just about better than anyone.
Portugeezer
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I notice myself. But for some games FXAA is better.
Bad Company games have bad MSAA implementation, even with 8xAA buildings and stuff further away are still jaggy. That is a more game specific example, MSAA is better but sometimes it's good to have FXAA. Smooth trees/leaves in Crysis. Something like Dirt 3 also holds up well with FXAA looking as good as 4xAA.
First is 8xAA. Last one is FXAA.
Hmm, the game is clearly doing something strange in the 8xMSAA versions there, the background objects don't seem to have any AA at all!
So yeah, when MSAA isn't working then FXAA is better, but I wouldn't really take that as a judgement of the techniques in general
perineumlick
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You are correct; I was mostly referring to the pillars in Radec Academy. I remember standing there shooting them, and watching the debris fall pretty convincingly to the ground. I'm sure it probably wasn't exactly real time destruction, but it looked cool lol.
gundamkyoukai
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Also interesting to see what there engine going to look like when they move stuff to compute.
Kazuma Kiryu
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making an "interesting game" has nohing to do with technical details like using 3gb of ram and using fxaa.
Personal opinions about this matter are something along the lines of "i hate fxaa, it looks blurry", not "man, these guys make boring games".
paradise_circus
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guerilla games were always going for good IQ solutions. it will look better till the launch.
I think KZ2 used 36MB. Does anyone know what KZ3 used?
It's not easy to google because of Killzone 2's infamous target render at E3.
sqrt(2)MB RAM
Portugeezer
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PS4 to have better IQ than downsampled high-res PC games confirmed!
That shot was the one where it was most obvious that they were using FXAA (or a similar post-processing solution) in motion in the 1080p video. Pretty intense sub-pixel aliasing/flickering.
Hehe
I haven't seen the slides but the 3GB was for graphics. It could be using 1.5GB for code and datastructures.