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[KoopaTheCasual]

Were they banned for having MS email addresses or something?

Can't speak for the newly banned, but Bish has mentioned a few times how a lot of the crazy FUD spreading juniors have registration emails linked to marketing companies affiliated with Microsoft.

I can't wait until after the consoles launch. Shills will never disappear completely, but hopefully it won't be so blatantly obvious for these new consoles in a years time.

 

[viveks86]

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LOL!

 

[IAmRandom31]

A confirmed videogame developer that posts over there from time to time. He has coded for released Xbox 360 titles, and I believe other systems also. I use to know in more explicit detail which games those were, and a bunch of other details the work he has done, but I no longer have my old browser bookmarks which would point me more clearly to that information, and I definitely don't want to go searching it out.



Sorry, but your opinion is obviously highly uninformed when experienced professionals that do this stuff for a living say otherwise. Seriously. To believe what some people are saying, you would have to genuinely believe that game programmers that have been in this business for longer than some people here have probably been alive, don't know what they're talking about. If left with a choice to believe a poster whose knowledge on the subject is questionable (that includes me too. I don't exempt myself) or to believe videogame developers, but more specifically graphics programmers that have done work in released games that people have been able to play and appreciate, I will choose to believe those programmers 10 times out of 10. And that's my final point on the matter, because we've had these discussions hundreds of times by now.

I wrote up a long response here but erased, as it is ..... augh

I will just remember that Mark Cerny, ICE team member / programmer / designer / system architect / etc. is too idiotic to remember that latency for the GPU is a major ... major issue in this day and age and this system design is just riddled with horrible GPU latency that will destroy its potential. Along with all the other GPU MANUFACTURERS that build their GPU's with none of this eSRAM / eDRAM nonsense and decide to go with pure GDDR5 over DDR3.

It is noted, I appreciate it.

 

[SniperHunter]

bish shows up and people start droppin'

DeFiBkIlLeR
Banned
(Today, 05:58 AM)

PartyTimeFunTime
Banned
(Today, 06:40 AM)

GumDumpster
Banned
(Today, 08:35 AM)

WrongSider
Banned
(Today, 03:04 PM)

War..console war has changed.

 

[eddfromtheriver]

I'm seriously supposed to go back and check your posts from the last page to make sure you haven't changed them?

Do whatever you want, free will and all of that.

EDIT: And my original post didn't merit the reaction it got, with "the mod" calling me what he did, and you guys (you know who you are) proceeding to praise him for it. (in cowering fear i am sure)

But i digress.

 

[StuBurns]

Can't speak for the newly banned, but Bish has mentioned a few times how a lot of the crazy FUD spreading juniors have registration emails linked to marketing companies affiliated with Microsoft.

I can't wait until after the consoles launch. Shills will never disappear completely, but hopefully it won't be so blatantly obvious for these new consoles in a years time.

It's amazing to me MS (if indirectly) would think that's an effective way to convince anyone they're in a better position than they are.

The internet doesn't sleep, if you're a plant, someone is going to spot it, and it's just going to make whoever sent you here look even worse.

Xbox need to change their PR company/division, so so badly.

 

[frizby]

Sorry, but your opinion is obviously highly uninformed when experienced professionals that do this stuff for a living say otherwise. Seriously. To believe what some people are saying, you would have to genuinely believe that game programmers that have been in this business for longer than some people here have probably been alive, don't know what they're talking about. If left with a choice to believe a poster whose knowledge on the subject is questionable (that includes me too. I don't exempt myself) or to believe videogame developers, but more specifically graphics programmers that have done work in released games that people have been able to play and appreciate, I will choose to believe those programmers 10 times out of 10. And that's my final point on the matter, because we've had these discussions hundreds of times by now.

So now you'll listen to developers?

10 times out 10, starting right now, I suppose?

 

[Sword Of Doom]

A new challenger enters the ring, nice post history

Wow that guy sounded like straight MS PR. I guess he's gone now. That was very quick

 

[Gestault]

I don't know if revealing the email addresses is a good idea, but explicitly pointing out which users were doing astroturfing would certainly be instructive.

Yeah, emails are going too far, but keeping a visible tally of the number of confirmed astroturfers by company would be a massive disincentive for that sort of community-manipulation in the future. I don't necessarily see a downside to it either, aside from maybe hurt feelings by people who are really into company Y or company Z.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Persecution complex from the outset, I like it

Tell me about it. Getting sick of the persecution excuse bullshit. It's becoming more and more common. As soon as you say something they start saying "If it was on the PS4 you guy would be in a circle jerk........"

 

[Gestault]

Do whatever you want, free will and all of that.

EDIT: And my original post didn't merit the reaction it got, with "the mod" calling me what he did, and you guys (you know who you are) proceeding to praise him for it. (in cowering fear i am sure)

But i digress.

Saying someone is acting like an jerk isn't the same as saying they are a jerk, and to be fair, you were totally out of line.

 

[frizby]

EDIT: And my original post didn't merit the reaction it got, with "the mod" calling me what he did, and you guys (you know who you are) proceeding to praise him for it. (in cowering fear i am sure).

Pshaw...Bish don't scare me man...

Edit, OK, maybe a little.

 

[semiconscious]

So many suspicious juniors in this thread.


Congrats MS. Your astroturfing has gotten so over the top I automatically dont trust any positive opinion on your machine anymore.

seriously: has ms never heard of the concept of 'blowback'? between the astroturfing & the constant tech spec hype, they seem to be completely imprisoned within a 'do the same thing over'n'over expecting different results' mentality. they don't need gaf in order to succeed, & they've already said this themselves. so why, exactly, can't they just stop themselves?...

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Yeah, emails are going too far, but keeping a visible tally of the number of confirmed astroturfers by company would be a massive disincentive for that sort of community-manipulation in the future. I don't necessarily see a downside to it either, aside from maybe hurt feelings by people who are really into company Y or company Z.

While my initial gut reaction was "yea!" I can easily see that becoming insanely "witch hunt-y". Maybe if the ToS is just updated to include, "Registration through marketing company email address is not advisable and therefore subject to permanent banning" or something to that effect, so that it will be a clear violation of ToS and would dissuade shills from signing up on NeoGAF.

 

[artist]

edd, if you feel you can take the your disagreement to PMs.

Let's try to get this thread back on topic .. I hope Penello can atleast answer this completely harmless question - why was the edited (shortened) version of this interview released earlier? As far as I can see only the ACE queues were confirmed here.

To me it looks like DF is milking the same conference call.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

I don't think it's real at all and is some kind of fun but not to be taken seriously tinfoil hat stuff.

But I was definitely blown away when I saw that Phil was the one who tapped Mark Cerny to design the PS4.

Oops.

Of course Cerny designed a beautiful system but more important was their focus on gaming first. If Cerny had to deal with the expectations the MS engineers probably had to deal with I'm sure the PS4 would be way different now.

Still, Cerny rules

 

[Windom Earle]

On the bright side, at least Microsoft is being honest and upfront about their hardware now. The XB1 does sound balanced, it's just balanced at a different level of performance than the PS4.

Looking at this thread, they are not very honest and upfront about their viral marketers on GAF :/ Jeez, what a graveyard.

 

[JaggedSac]

To me it looks like DF is milking the same conference call.

This is the obvious answer, and thus the most likely.

 

[RoboPlato]

While my initial gut reaction was "yea!" I can easily see that becoming insanely "witch hunt-y". Maybe if the ToS is just updated to include, "Registration through marketing company email address is not advisable and therefore subject to permanent banning" or something to that effect, so that it will be a clear violation of ToS and would dissuade shills from signing up on NeoGAF.

It would be a witch hunt if it wasn't so blatantly obvious. The join dates and the fact that most of them are posting from a script give it away immediately.

edd, if you feel you can take the your disagreement to PMs.

Let's try to get this thread back on topic .. I hope Penello can atleast answer this completely harmless question - why was the edited (shortened) version of this interview released earlier? As far as I can see only the ACE queues were confirmed here.

To me it looks like DF is milking the same conference call.

They pretty much admitted as much when they started posting these.

 

[frizby]

As far as I can see only the ACE queues were confirmed here.

To me it looks like DF is milking the same conference call.

Gotta get them clicks...and keep that internet buzz going for MS.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

RIP. He was driving on the wrong side, I guess

Haha!

 

[eddfromtheriver]

Saying someone is acting like an jerk isn't the same as saying they are a jerk, and to be fair, you were totally out of line.

I apologized already.

Pshaw...Bish don't scare me man. He's just a big...

Great GIF.

Artist said:

edd, if you feel you can take the your disagreement to PMs.

Nah, i ain't sour... but like you said, let's get back to the thread's original topic.

 

[Gestault]

I hope Penello can atleast answer this completely harmless question - why was the edited (shortened) version of this interview released earlier? As far as I can see only the ACE queues were confirmed here.

To me it looks like DF is milking the same conference call.

I may have missed a detail that would make it more significant but is that considered a big faux pas? I know I've seen that done a lot, not just in gaming. I'm not a big fan of it, but I feel like confronting someone from the company interviewed is a pretty weird reaction to it, even if it is the case.

 

[artist]

This is the obvious answer, and thus the most likely.

They pretty much admitted as much when they started posting these.

Gotta get them clicks...and keep that internet buzz going for MS.

But wasnt Penello promising that another article would be coming up .. or do I remember that incorrectly?

 

[kadotsu]

While my initial gut reaction was "yea!" I can easily see that becoming insanely "witch hunt-y". Maybe if the ToS is just updated to include, "Registration through marketing company email address is not advisable and therefore subject to permanent banning" or something to that effect, so that it will be a clear violation of ToS and would dissuade shills from signing up on NeoGAF.

The best course of action is to ignore everything around those type of posters. The last weeks have proven that moderation on this board works.

On Topic: It was a interesting interview but at this point I would love for both companies to finally go into detail on their OSs. I want confirmation on what makes it on launch day, memory footprint, update strategy, account system etc. Has there ever been an tech focused interview with an OS engineer? The only thing approaching it was the "interview" at the XB1 reveal. I would like something like that but with an impartial interviewer, for both companies.

 

[Chobel]

But wasnt Penello promising that another article would be coming up .. or do I remember that incorrectly?

I don't remember him saying that.

 

[B_Boss]

Persecution complex from the outset, I like it

Not really lol, but it is interesting. "We're all friends here".

I don't remember him saying that.

I thought he said something to that effect, or the engineers will be able to further clarify what he himself was attempting to articulate.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Wow that guy sounded like straight MS PR. I guess he's gone now. That was very quick

Here's a post xHunter found from another forum:

Sony's engineers are noob!

 

[JaggedSac]

But wasnt Penello promising that another article would be coming up .. or do I remember that incorrectly?

DF probably gave MS a heads up on their plans. Or, we could go a step into the darkness and say MS was pulling puppet strings and telling DF what and when to post things.

 

[SniperHunter]

Here's a post xHunter found from another forum:


Sony's engineers are noob!

So childish...he must be 15 years old

 

[TOYCOFFIN]

DF probably gave MS a heads up on their plans. Or, we could go a step into the darkness and say MS was pulling puppet strings and telling DF what and when to post things.

Beats me.

I coulda sworn Albert was promising a new article recently when people were asking him questions on Twitter.

 

[StuBurns]

So childish...he must be 15 years old

Horrible taste in films too, The Bling Ring is an abomination of hot garbage poop.

 

[bishoptl]

Mod and all... name calling isn't nice.

You want to cry about someone not being nice after that earlier crack? Ye gods

Okay. That thing you're being? Stop being that.

 

[artist]

I don't remember him saying that.

I cant find it right now, closest is our insider P) ekim;

Today? There was only the Phil Harrison session at Eurogamer Expo. You mean part 2 of the DF "deep dive"?

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

So childish...he must be 15 years old

Actually... it reads more like a full grown adult trying to sound like a 15 year old. The whole post is contrusted like your basic talking point, and then throws in a "noob" comment at the end, for good measure, lol.

 

[Gestault]

Beats me.

I coulda sworn Albert was promising a new article recently when people were asking him questions on Twitter.

If you could dig up the Tweet, that might be something to look forward to. I don't recall hearing anything about it, but I don't keep up as much with these interviews.

 

[SniperHunter]

Releasing more articles = panic mode

If Xbone is so balanced, why cant MS just stfu and wait for release day? What purpose does this serve? Why continue to release these articles every week?

 

[eddfromtheriver]

You want to cry about someone not being nice after that earlier crack? Ye gods

Okay. That thing you're being? Stop being that.

Can we just move past it please?, i already noted the fact that i was wrong, and explained how, and asked to get back on topic and forget my earlier post.

And i get punched all the time, words won't bring me down, i do still think that you were out of line. (even though my post was out of line as well, so maybe it was deserved after all)

But... I DIGRESS.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

Some interesting info and wording. MSFT keeps on yapping its mouth and desperately trying to sway things.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

LOL MS is so incompetent.
There should be a sticky thread with all the banned usernames along with their email addresses revealed.

You'd think at this point, after so many have gotten banned so quickly, they would change their approach and not be so damn OBVIOUS!

 

[SHADES]

Not really lol, but it is interesting. "We're all friends here".



I thought he said something to that effect, or the engineers will be able to further clarify what he himself was attempting to articulate.

Sorry I was referring to wrongsider, I must of quoted the wrong dude who quoted me? Lol my bad, yeah all friends here, peace

 

[Darkwaknight]

Beats me.

I coulda sworn Albert was promising a new article recently when people were asking him questions on Twitter.

So other than avoiding the question on Gpgpu compute we can gather from that, that ms missed it in there plans as an important feature also and Thus is not really setup for it.

So the ps4 has faster ram.
More bandwidth
Faster hard drive (hybrid ssd)
More powerful GPU

I just find these articles cringe worthy, ms made a machine designed for media (and 2014) that will play games, Sony made a games machine that does media.

They need to just leave this now and work on the games and getting there API's sorted. X1 will have a great games and great graphics but it is/and will always be a much weaker machine. If they spent half of their time getting a bloody decent reason we have the kinect in the box other than the OS then maybe they could get the pr to latch onto that!!

 

[viveks86]

EDIT: And my original post didn't merit the reaction it got, with "the mod" calling me what he did, and you guys (you know who you are) proceeding to praise him for it. (in cowering fear i am sure)

Nah, i ain't sour... but like you said, let's get back to the thread's original topic.

I'm going to ignore that insult and not react since you have decided to get back on topic.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

Yes, like Jerry Jones spins the Cowboys, when they are a .500 ballclub. Balance?

After this MS should focus on the entertainment abilities of X1.

WTF? this was an edit?

America's team
America's console
Government shutdown


Things not looking good

 

[Salex_]

Releasing more articles = panic mode

If Xbone is so balanced, why cant MS just stfu and wait for release day? What purpose does this serve? Why continue to release these articles every week?

Reminding people that the PS4 is more powerful is better than talking about why Kinect 2.0 is worthwhile to them, I guess.

 

[B_Boss]

Here's a post xHunter found from another forum:


Sony's engineers are noob!

 

[DBT85]

Faster hard drive (hybrid ssd)

Wat?

 

[StuBurns]

The SteamBox specs hit today, they include a hybrid HDD, I guess that's where the confusion came from.

 

[SniperHunter]

Reminding people that the PS4 is more powerful is better than talking about why Kinect 2.0 is worthwhile to them, I guess.

Lol

 

[Doc Evils]

Here's a post xHunter found from another forum:


Sony's engineers are noob!

Last I checked, Sony wasn't the inferior console the size of a paper shredder.