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[satam55]

Except Voice Control, Multi-media (HDMI pass-through), Skype, etc...

Not trying to be a smart-ass here, but thats the trade-off. X1 can do a lot more things than the PS4 at the expense of raw power. You just have to buy the system that focuses on the things that are more important to you. The X1 was built the way it was to do what they wanted it to do.

Both systems will have amazing games. Do you want the system that games will probably run slightly better on, or do you want all that other stuff? I think it's excellent that both consoles are focused on different things as it gives us consumers a choice on what we want our system to do.

The fact that live IPTV is going to be an entertainment feature on both consoles, makes HDMI pass-through on Xbox1 a redundant feature. Both Voice Control & Skype are software that can be done on the PS4. In fact, Microsoft has said they want Skype on the PS4: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=664617. If not Skype, Sony has very good relationship with Google & they can always get Google Hangouts on the PS4. Voice Control is already possible on the PS2 & PS3.

 

[IHaveCandy]

Except Voice Control, Multi-media (HDMI pass-through), Skype, etc...

Not trying to be a smart-ass here, but thats the trade-off. X1 can do a lot more things than the PS4 at the expense of raw power. You just have to buy the system that focuses on the things that are more important to you. The X1 was built the way it was to do what they wanted it to do.

Both systems will have amazing games. Do you want the system that games will probably run slightly better on, or do you want all that other stuff? I think it's excellent that both consoles are focused on different things as it gives us consumers a choice on what we want our system to do.

I don't doubt that the PS4 will run multimedia apps just fine. I don't think snapping apps is important though. That really seems to be the only unique feature about it

 

[Sword Of Doom]

I don't doubt that the PS4 will run multimedia apps just fine. I don't think snapping apps is important though. That really seems to be the only unique feature about it

To dedicate 10% of your GPU for stuff like snapping is such a waste of precious resources.

 

[Special C]

The fact that live IPTV is going to be an entertainment feature on both consoles, makes HDMI pass-through on Xbox1 a redundant feature. Both Voice Control & Skype are software that can be done on the PS4. In fact, Microsoft has said they want Skype on the PS4: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=664617. If not Skype, Sony can always go with Google Hangouts. Voice were already possible on the PS2 & PS3.

And the X1 can also play games just like the PS4. It just may not run them as well.

You missed the point of my argument. The original quoted statement was that there isn't anything the X1 can do BETTER than the PS4. There's no doubt that the Kinect is better tech than the PS camera, and that the X1 is set up to be a better multi-purpose machine than the PS4.

I think the PS4 will be great, but to say it is going to be the 100% better machine for everyone and all purposes is a bit short-sighted. I'm glad we have options.

 

[mitchman]

Are there any SSHD available with like 64GB of SSD in there? The 8 GB I'm seeing thrown around seems like it wouldn't cut it.

Seagate Laptop Thin SSHD 1TB
SATA 6Gb/s with NCQ for interface speed, 64MB, 5400RPM, 2.5"

Cheap too.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

And the X1 can also play games just like the PS4. It just may not run them as well.

You missed the point of my argument. The original quoted statement was that there isn't anything the X1 can do BETTER than the PS4. There's no doubt that the Kinect is better tech than the PS camera, and that the X1 is set up to be a better multi-purpose machine than the PS4.

I think the PS4 will be great, but to say it is going to be the 100% better machine for everyone and all purposes is a bit short-sighted. I'm glad we have options.

You make a fair point. Most of the animosity on Gaf comes from MS trying hard to sell the Xbox as an equally competent gaming machine which it isn't.

Edit: Personally, if MS stuck to its guns and actually sold me on what the Xbox really is instead of trying to convince me that it's something that it's not, I would find the Xbox more appealing. The lack of confidence they're showing in their own vision is off putting

 

[viveks86]

I'm not sure he'd approve of his pic being posted around outside of the realpic GAF thread like that, but I could be wrong, Let those who just HAVE to break the anonimity search it out i say..but again, I'm speaking if it were my pic being posted.

This. In retrospect, I was the one that inadvertently sparked this discussion about Bish's identity. Didn't know there was so much info already out there. Mea Culpa! To all - let's get back on topic shall we?

 

[cookie-monster]

My TV does Skype, I don't need a £429 hobbled games console to do that. Likewise, HDMI passthru is not a feature relevant to my country. I really don't understand how they can charge a premium for a bunch of me-too features, especially outside the US.

 

[Finalizer]

Seagate Laptop Thin SSHD 1TB
SATA 6Gb/s with NCQ for interface speed, 64MB, 5400RPM, 2.5"

Cheap too.

Check his post again - he was looking for 64GB of cache. Something big enough for a BD's worth of a game to sit in. 64MB is nothin'.

 

[mitchman]

Check his post again - he was looking for 64GB of cache. Something big enough for a BD's worth of a game to sit in. 64MB is nothin'.

Oops, reading disorder confirmed! I just read "64"..

 

[fatgamecat]

Except Voice Control, Multi-media (HDMI pass-through), Skype, etc...

If only MS's message was focused on those features, rather than raw performance? I find it rather strange that they built X1 around kinect, bundled kinect with every box, yet have no 'killer game/app' at launch that takes advantage of it. All I can think of right now is Dance Central which is a multiplatform game.

 

[muddream]

Dear DF: Your Xbox One architects interview can't be complete without someone explaining how a case this big couldn't accommodate a PSU and vertical orientation while being home to mid-range x86 PC parts.

 

[McHuj]

If only MS's message was focused on those features, rather than raw performance? I find it rather strange that they built X1 around kinect, bundled kinect with every box, yet have no 'killer game/app' at launch that takes advantage of it. All I can think of right now is Dance Central which is a multiplatform game.

It is mind boggling that they have not shown any kinect features or games that make me say wow I want that. nothing. At 399, I wouldn't care if it's bundled, but at 499 I'm struggling to justify the premium.

But Dance Central is not a multiplatform game.

 

[EvB]

There is not a single thing in the real world, which can be done better on the Xbox One than on the PS4.

Local multiplayer?
5ghz wireless?

Ha! That was a 2 things and I wasn't even trying!

 

[SHADES]

You make a fair point. Most of the animosity on Gaf comes from MS trying hard to sell the Xbox as an equally competent gaming machine which it isn't.

Edit: Personally, if MS stuck to its guns and actually sold me on what the Xbox really is instead of trying to convince me that it's something that it's not, I would find the Xbox more appealing. The lack of confidence they're showing in their own vision is off putting

Exactly what they need to be doing at this point, forget console wars! That ships sailed long ago, sell me on what's good about it and I may still pick one up.

 

[Wishmaster92]

Wat?

xbox has 8gb of flash memory too, idk how much the ps4 has. This is nothing to write home about idk why he mentioned it.

 

[EvB]

xbox has 8gb of flash memory too, idk how many the ps4 has. This is nothing to write home about idk why he mentioned it.

The guy was claiming PS4 has a hybrid hard drive.
That ain't been confirmed, it's pure misinformation

 

[boredandlazy]

Local multiplayer?
5ghz wireless?

Ha! That was a 2 things and I wasn't even trying!

Could of fooled me! ;p

Seriously though, has it actually been confirmed that retail PS4's won't support 5GHz wifi? I thought we've only seen the specs filed for the Dev kit?
Can someone tweet @yosp if noone has already?

 

[Wereroku]

Local multiplayer?
5ghz wireless?

Ha! That was a 2 things and I wasn't even trying!

Which games on xbo have local multiplayer? DR3, Ryse, and forza don't as far as i have read.

 

[EvB]

Could of fooled me! ;p

Seriously though, has it actually been confirmed that retail PS4's won't support 5GHz wifi? I thought we've only seen the specs filed for the Dev kit?
Can someone tweet @yosp if noone has already?

Ask Yosp, you'll get a confirmation if it has, a silence if it hasn't

 

[boredandlazy]

Which games on xbo have local multiplayer? DR3, Ryse, and forza don't as far as i have read.

I think he means the XBOne supports more local controllers.

 

[Chobel]

We know in PS4 The HDD is replaceable, so where the hell is the OS installed?

Obviously not in the HDD because at any given time it could be replaced. any guesses?

 

[boredandlazy]

Ask Yosp, you'll get a confirmation if it has, a silence if it hasn't

I don't have twitter...

 

[EvB]

Which games on xbo have local multiplayer? DR3, Ryse, and forza don't as far as i have read.

I was being facetious, the Xbox supports more pads than Ps4.

Shame that anybody buying an Xbox One is such a loser they won't have any friends.

^
Sarcasm

 

[artist]

He is quite the man, indeed.

Dat username.

 

[Hurf]

Dear DF: Your Xbox One architects interview can't be complete without someone explaining how a case this big couldn't accommodate a PSU

An internal PSU would imbalance the Xbone so that it couldn't stand upr...

and vertical orientation

fuck

 

[EvB]

We know in PS4 The HDD is replaceable, so where the hell is the OS installed?

Obviously not in the HDD because at any given time it could be replaced. any guesses?

The PS3 has a removable hard drive and the OS is stored on it....

As does my PC.

The only conclusion I can draw? Sony is leveraging the infinite power of the cloud.

 

[Wereroku]

I was being facetious, the Xbox supports more pads than Ps4.

Shame that anybody buying an Xbox One is such a loser they won't have any friends.

^
Sarcasm

Haha sorry i thought you were serious i think its a shame that both have moved away from local coop.

 

[Wishmaster92]

We know in PS4 The HDD is replaceable, so where the hell is the OS installed?

Obviously not in the HDD because at any given time it could be replaced. any guesses?

It's in the hdd i think. That is why when you replace them you need to have the latest firmware installed? idk. Also the ps3 does not function if there is no hdd.

 

[boredandlazy]

It's in the hdd i think. That is why when you replace them you need to have the latest firmware installed? idk. Also the ps3 does not function if there is no hdd.

The PS3 stored its OS on flash I think. Launch models had more memory so they never had the issue where the OS was partially installed on the HDD. The newer revisions have less memory onboard so once the OS got too big they then had to start storing portions of it on the HDD.

 

[gruenel]

We know in PS4 The HDD is replaceable, so where the hell is the OS installed?

Obviously not in the HDD because at any given time it could be replaced. any guesses?

It's been a long time since I replaced my PS3 HDD but I think I had to install the firmware from a flash drive after installing the new HDD.

 

[Sword Of Doom]

It's been a long time since I replaced my PS3 HDD but I think I had to install the firmware from a flash drive after installing the new HDD.

I think I just backed up my data on a flash drive. When I put the new drive in, the OS formatted it. If I remember correctly so the OS was on some sort of system memory


Edit: I have a launch PS3 so maybe it's different on the slims

 

[boredandlazy]

It's been a long time since I replaced my PS3 HDD but I think I had to install the firmware from a flash drive after installing the new HDD.

Yep, when installing a new hard drive you need the latest firmware on a flash drive inserted. I'm thinking the PS4 OS will be quite a bit larger then the PS3 OS though.

 

[Jack_AG]

Yep, when installing a new hard drive you need the latest firmware on a flash drive inserted. I'm thinking the PS4 OS will be quite a bit larger then the PS3 OS though.

I could be wrong but I've upped my HDD twice. The first time was before the hack in 11 and I didn't need a flash drive. The 2nd was after the hack and I needed to update from a flash drive at that point. Unsure if related since I didn't keep a timeline.

 

[Iacobellis]

Yep, when installing a new hard drive you need the latest firmware on a flash drive inserted. I'm thinking the PS4 OS will be quite a bit larger then the PS3 OS though.

Really? I always thought it was contained on a secondary internal storage like on the PSP.

 

[EvB]

Really? I always thought it was contained on a secondary internal storage like on the PSP.

There is a basic bios that is on the machine, but the OS itself runs from the HDD. This is why you have to download from the Sony website and install it using and CDR or USB stick after you format a HDD

 

[LiquidSolid]

We know in PS4 The HDD is replaceable, so where the hell is the OS installed?

Obviously not in the HDD because at any given time it could be replaced. any guesses?

Flash memory.

 

[EvB]

Flash memory.

Somebody is late to the party.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Yep, when installing a new hard drive you need the latest firmware on a flash drive inserted. I'm thinking the PS4 OS will be quite a bit larger then the PS3 OS though.

Only on Slims and Super Slims. Original PS3s stored the OS on internal flash memory, so you didn't need to go through that effort.

 

[Chobel]

Yep, when installing a new hard drive you need the latest firmware on a flash drive inserted. I'm thinking the PS4 OS will be quite a bit larger then the PS3 OS though.

So it's the same way like PS3.

 

[BKK]

Initial PS3s OS was stored entirely on 256MB NAND. To reduce manufacturing costs later revisions store only the core OS on 16MB NOR, with the remaining non-critical OS stored on the HDD.

 

[LiquidSolid]

Somebody is late to the party.

While you arrived early and were still wrong?

 

[EvB]

While you arrived early and were still wrong?

Technically I was less than 20% wrong.

 

[Iacobellis]

Initial PS3s OS was stored entirely on 256mb NAND. To reduce manufacturing costs later revisions store only the core OS on 16mb NOR, with the remaining non-critical OS stored on the HDD.

Ah! That's probably what I was thinking of.

 

[sangreal]

My TV does Skype, I don't need a £429 hobbled games console to do that. Likewise, HDMI passthru is not a feature relevant to my country. I really don't understand how they can charge a premium for a bunch of me-too features, especially outside the US.

does your tv do skype with more than 2 video participants (aka skype premium)?

 

[SwiftDeath]

So nothing noteworthy in the interview then?

Thread seems to have changed course

 

[werks]

does your tv do skype with more than 2 video participants (aka skype premium)?

LOL. How can you even call that a Xbone feature when its locked behind gold.

 

[EvB]

LOL. How can you even call that a Xbone feature when its locked behind gold.

I'm guessing its free on Ps4?

 

[funkystudent]

Do people still use Skype?

Everyone I know that used it moved to Google Hangouts for their video chatting / conferencing needs.

 

[mysteriousmage09]

He's been on a comedy tour or some shit this past week.

This shit:



Is just golden. Yet more persecution complex over a company that implicitly deserves the skepticism, and a continued bizarre inability to understand why. In the next post he will say he understands why, but it's "over the top", to try to make it seem fair.

Yet more nonsense strawmen: the critiques and comments have nothing to do with kneejerking over anything that is perceived as positive. The reason people are naturally more skeptical over claims made by anyone from Microsoft is that the entire Xbox One debacle has been based on lies, misdirection, deceptions and PR nonsense. And, with articles like this, it CONTINUES to be the case that they couch their language to try to make it seem like they can ever get close to PS4. Senjutsu desperately wishes this is the case, even as he pretends he's above spec wars, and yet consistently initiates such conversation or inflames them with nonsense commentary, already debunked theories and bullshit appeals to authority ("I have a FRIEND who told me how low latency this is!" "Here's a Beyond3D link, I have no claim to be an expert but I post things I don't understand because they make my system of choice sound slightly better versus the PS4!" It's absurd).

The reason people have rejected these claims time and time again is because each time Microsoft comes out with some nonsense about the specs, it is proven wrong or exaggerated, many technically involved folk on here and elsewhere have to go through the arduous task of dissecting the bullshit so that the misinformation doesn't spread, and the end result is nobody fucking trusts anything they say about anything because they CONTINUE to bullshit. If they stopped the bullshit yesterday, we would only just be on the road to trusting them again. They still have not stopped the bullshit. Senjutsu trying to act like it's one big SonyGAF conspiracy against a system unfairly taunted is beyond tired at this points. It's willfully intellectually dishonest.

There is no way to close the gap between XBO and PS4 or even get close. He cannot get over it because it means accepting his system of choice as inherently inferior. That's the whole damned problem: they want to love the system, but can't do it comfortably if they're in a 'minority.' So they must find excuses as to why people act this way, they must find ways to explain their worldwide with strained and painful mental gymnastics and they must try to act like it's everyone else's fault that the level of discourse is decreasing. Never his own!

And yet the obvious responses are legion. "Well Sony and Nintendo don't care about you either!" No shit! After 2006, it took years for Sony to build up something of a shaky trust with gamers again, and that was almost entirely shattered by the hacking scandal again. These companies do not deserve the benefit-of-the-doubt. What they do deserve, however, is a fair reading of their decisions to date. To date, Sony has pretty much hit every right note with the PS4 and has rarely been found to be fudging anything with their PR or the news they've announced about the system. Small exaggerations here and there at worst, but a remarkably clean record for the PS4 unveiling. Ergo, behavior modified as such, gamers are naturally more positively inclined to accept Sony's info at face value than the competition, same as Nintendo. They have built up a relationship and it took years, and if they fuck up again in a way that offends consumers, they too will spend years rebuilding that trust.

Man, this deserves a standing ovation.