It's still amazing how people use as evidence these games like Unity and W3, both demoed and marketed on Xbox, and then ignore practically every other game out there.
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Digital Foundry: The Witcher 3 patch 1.03 performance analysis (PS4/XB1)
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It's still amazing how people use as evidence these games like Unity and W3, both demoed and marketed on Xbox, and then ignore practically every other game out there.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
It works for EA.
Hawk269
Member
WOW. The reason the player runs into that priest guy is because the priest was not there and then he pops in. At the same exact spot, there is a NPC standing on the crate and another NPC next to that person that just pop in, where on the same scene on the Xbox One you see the NPC's in the distance.
It is things like this that bugs me if they want to smooth out the frame rate. If you have to have LOD that bad, is it worth it?
I'm loving the XB1 co-marketing conspiracy theories. If the XB1 version is and was so superior, why were all the review copies for the game on ps4?
It seems pretty clear to me that during gameplay the frame drops tend to occur when there are heavy alpha effects. Even on PC you get frame drops when these appear. The issue here is that the XB1 seems to have more headroom hence fewer drops. The PS4 is handling 30fps on good conditions and when heavier effects appear obviously it has to drop frames. We'll see what happens if they fix the double buffering issue.
It seems pretty clear to me that during gameplay the frame drops tend to occur when there are heavy alpha effects. Even on PC you get frame drops when these appear. The issue here is that the XB1 seems to have more headroom hence fewer drops. The PS4 is handling 30fps on good conditions and when heavier effects appear obviously it has to drop frames. We'll see what happens if they fix the double buffering issue.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
I am surprised considering that a large majority of games this gen run at a higher res and/or better framerate on ps4.
People cherrypicking specific games that clearly go against the overwhelming trend so far this gen in order to support a point that makes no sense at all doesnt surprise me however.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
shitty pop in since last patch on ps4 click here to see
ShadowkillXNA
Member
Why would they do this when the resolution/gpu power of the ps4 isnt the cause of the drops ?
A basic knowledge of the impact of gpu power on framerates and of the difference between the ps4/xbox one gpus will tell you the ps4 gpu isnt the issue here.
I didn't mean it like that. I was specifically thinking about the new "rule" for some that floats around here saying the natural order for games will be 'frames - xbox, res - ps4'
Wow
Never seen anything like that in my game. When reading impressions of performance and glitches in this game I sometimes feel like I have a version that's a few patches ahead of everyone else. I've been very lucky on that front. I would not be as high on this game or as impressed with it if I was getting issues like these.
Apoleptica
Banned
Are you sure about that? Models seems to look much better in cutscenes than in gameplay. I recall recently reading that at least in the pc version cdpr uses uber sampling on models specifically during cutscenes. I'm not sure this is the same case on console versions but it is highly possible that cutscene models use higher res textures.
I've pulled the camera very close to Geralt in gameplay and it looks identical.
yeah, i've noticed that pop in has been worse since the latest patch
xbone has a better couch too? Damn.
http://xboxclips.com/Natr75/92d038d9-029b-4d1c-a12a-3bb9a444a099
http://xboxclips.com/Natr75/7ba9dae4-2ddc-43a1-b5b6-52cb41bb62f1
While the patch did smooth out overall gameplay im experiencing far more issues with the game than i did before , unfortunately .
http://xboxclips.com/Natr75/7ba9dae4-2ddc-43a1-b5b6-52cb41bb62f1
While the patch did smooth out overall gameplay im experiencing far more issues with the game than i did before , unfortunately .
Apoleptica
Banned
Yeah the pop in has gotten insanely worse with 1.03, damn. I've also noticed a ton more glitches during cutscenes.
And it will goes even worse in the more demanding scene, in the future patch. It's the easy way to improve fps. A thing I don't understand why they use the same poly model for the NPC, even in the long distance. That's why in the city NPC appears from the nothing, just to fix faster the fps drops. Meh.
yeah they do look damn close. Strange game. For me it runs well most of the time and then can dip in places you wouldn't really expect it to. The rain doesn't even look that good and you can be standing in an area with no reflections and it will still bog it down sometimes....I've had no crashes though and don't have these pop in problems either.
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
Shadow quality looks worse for sure on PS4 since the patch, aside from the pop-in.
thelastword
Banned
I'm always suspicious of posts like this. I don't think anybody expected Witcher 3 to run at 60fps on consoles (even before this gen began), GTA5 a last gen game doesn't even run at 60fps. Even high end cards like the 970GTX don't run Witcher 3 at 60fps locked, framerates tumble in the bog/swamp area just the same with hairworks off, and even then, one or two sliders below Ultra might be necessary for balance.
Would you be willing to pay $1000.00 for a console to give you the returns you require? Also, how many people would have adopted it? Would Witcher even be on such an expensive console in the first place? as I'm certain, such a console would not have a large enough fanbase to greenlight such a project, since the ROI would be a crapshoot by and large. These are the questions you must ask yourself to ascertain the feasibility of your expectations..
What exactly has been corrected on the PS4 version? This one had the most problems (performance wise from the start). 20fps and below in cutscenes, instances of 20fps lock and double buffered vsync in cutscenes and gameplay. Last I checked all these issues and more are still there. How exactly do you measure good support, by submitting several useless patches or by patching a game to actually correct glaring issues and providing tangible performance improvements?
RedAssedApe
Banned
Breakdown of next patch
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/thre...-next-patch-(1-04-1-05)?p=1728578#post1728578
Seems like they are working on ps4 performance issues.
http://forums.cdprojektred.com/thre...-next-patch-(1-04-1-05)?p=1728578#post1728578
Seems like they are working on ps4 performance issues.
You almost had me until that line.
DF gave the PS4 the edge in the console face-off , of course.
For those that bought the Xbox One version, does it have black crush like other 900p titles?
SEGAvangelist
Member
Black crush hasn't been an issue for most titles since the launch/prelaunch window. The Witcher 3 looks great.
Norwegian_Imposter
Member
yeah I felt like that before the 1.03 patch
Hendrick's
If only my penis was as big as my GamerScore!
I understand that these things take time, but that is what development is for. I shouldn't have to wait 2-4 months after I purchase a game to have it adequately functional. Glad they are working at it, but these fixes are a small fraction of what needs help in this game.
geordiemp
Member
Not got a gaming PC yet.
Don't buy any sub HD games anymore or games with poor frame rate, so I have skipped this one on console for now until they get there act together.
I know they are DX11 favoured developers, but until they do a decent job on Ps4 I will wait, there are enough good games.
Kazuma Kiryu
Member
I'm glad I waited on buying W3. I'm dying to play it, but I'll gladly wait a while until they iron out most of the issues.
duck_sauce
Member
When will the patch release. Did they give a eta?
Well that concludes it doesn't it. Highly scientific.
1.05 is out tomorrow for PC, few days after for consoles.
Bl@de
Member
I want a bigger hud and font on PC (not only slightly)
Let us choose different size settings for a better experience when couch gaming.Should have delayed the game longer.
Might have actually released a quality product day one this time had they done so.
Skyrim 2.0
Might have actually released a quality product day one this time had they done so.
Skyrim 2.0
Some good changes here. I made a thread for it: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=165915386
TimeEffect
Member
NPCs, PS4 share function, right now
Hey, this is actually nice. Are people suggesting PC has even more?
One thing I'm noticing more of: NPC pop in. Very ugly and annoying to see.
Thanks for these pics, NPC numbers seem fine to me here.
Apoleptica
Banned
I made a thread on cdpr tech support forum about the terrible pop in on the console versions after patch 1.03. Honestly for me this is game breaking to have objects, textures, and npcs to load right on top of you as you play the game, nothing breaks immersion more than this. I've decided to put this game aside after 50 hours of gameplay to wait for this shit to be fixed. Those of you waiting for the game to be fixed until playing / purchasing are making the right decision imo.
How else would you propose I check it on console?
anothertech
Member
I must laugh hartily at all the sentiment that higher resolution does not affect performance.
If one platform can keep nearly the same frame rates (within 2-3 frames) at almost twice the amount of pixels on screen, that means without a doubt a better performance on that platform no?
From a pure 'frame rates' test, sure the conclusion is fine, but performance test without counting resolution?
Surely you jest.
If one platform can keep nearly the same frame rates (within 2-3 frames) at almost twice the amount of pixels on screen, that means without a doubt a better performance on that platform no?
From a pure 'frame rates' test, sure the conclusion is fine, but performance test without counting resolution?
Surely you jest.
The problem with the comparisons is that it seems highly random. It's not Majora's Mask, people aren't always in the exact same place at the same time, and sometimes places can be dead, and then it can be packed on the same time of day on different days. The first shot of the square, it used to be a more empty but then a celebration started there and it never went away....
So yeah, some DF screenshots were taken at one of these random dead times and people were thinking that was the norm. Maybe it's another bug.
Mohonky
Member
....we're a year and a half into the consoles and they are still getting trounced by older PC's, my 670 is running locked 30fps on high. Witcher might be struggling to hit 60fps locked on a 970 in places, but that is still a world away from struggling to hit 30 at a mix of Medium & High. Atleast you're dropping into the 50's or high 40's at worst, which is still double that of the consoles at higher settings.
Its not that 1080p 30fps isn't good enough, hell its what I play this game at on my PC because my 670 is getting on 3yrs old now so the latest games are going to start taxing it, but the consoles aren't hitting locked frames at settings lower than PC's that cost a lot less than $1k. The notion that you need to spend that much to perform as well as or above the current consoles is hypebole, you can do the same as for less than $600 and unlike the consoles, its a PC so it will also do everything else (media, general purpose use) so much better.
coupled with remakes that are basically just what people were playing years ago at the same level on their PC and a software line up that is looking pretty barren, I don't see myself actually buying a Playstation or Xbox this time round despite the past two gens buying all the consoles as well as having my PC.
NPCs, PS4 share function, right now
Apart from incredible low LODs, distance shadows, distance detail, low textures, terrible AF, and ... everything, the third screenshot has a flying soldier. That's a win.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
If you had a basic knowledge of GPUs you would know this game is bringing way better GPUs than the ps4 has to it's knees on PC. I don't subscribe to the lazy devs not optimizing this well enough theory myself. If you do, that's fine. As it stands right now xbone version is benefiting from making concessions in settings to the hardware and ps4 version is suffering from not.
ShadowkillXNA
Member
This thread isnt about the games performance on pc - its about the performance of the ps4 version vs the xbox version.
You posted that the devs should lower the resolution on ps4. My point still stands - if you think there is any logical reason for the game to perform worse on a platform with a gpu that is significantly more powerful (40 percent) than the competing platform with the weaker gpu other than the developer fucking up while at the same time ignoring the fact that the large majority of games this gen run at a higher resolution/framerate than no - you really dont understand how gpu power effects framerates.
GifGafIsTheBestGaf
Member
i had my first crash yesterday (didnt have one on v1.01) and i think its funny but the intro of the game sometimes the fps drops (the sword close up) and even looks like screen tears a bit
but i cant complain really, i love eye candy and the rest is tolerable (until i get hit with the xp bug that is)
im glad they are still improving it though
but i cant complain really, i love eye candy and the rest is tolerable (until i get hit with the xp bug that is)
im glad they are still improving it though
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I'm not mocking you. I only bring up the PC version because it's relevant to what you're talking about re: GPUs.
You're really oversimplifying things by comparing this to all other ps4 games. It's one of the most demanding games this gen so far, probably only 2nd to AC:U. It's not so cut and dry as: "well infamous runs at 1080/30, so this should too!". That doesn't really make sense.
Hugh Swank
Member
Isn't it true that neither MS nor AMD had ever revealed what GPU is in the XB1 exactly? How do we know the difference is 40%? I mean, the GPU in the XB1 was custom made, correct?
It is a more powerful gpu of 40%. It also has to fill 44% more pixels than the xb1.