M.W.
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Sorry, I edited it so it's just the verdict. But, everyone should read it all. Great article.
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Digital Foundry - Watch Dogs vs. Watch Dogs 2012 Reveal
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Sorry, I edited it so it's just the verdict. But, everyone should read it all. Great article.
Interesting is this because of the Ubi x Sony marketing deal? Or something else as they don't get last-gen versions also.
OT - Good to see the performance is pretty solid on the PS4 version. Face off should be interesting in a couple of days.
Eurogamer said:
I can mostly agree with this after watching a few comparisons. So the game delivers all the things it showed in the trailer such as the hacking elements, detailed NPC profiles etc but with toned down effects.
Acheteedo
Member
Cool, perfect.
Looking forward to the full comparison with the Xbox One version. As always I'm pretty sure going with the PS4 version was the right call. Still, it's interesting to see how developers are coping with the power gap as time goes on.
I had a feeling that typical online gamers were crying over expectations which were actually unrealistic. Ubisoft delivered on their 2012 demo and then some more...
Watch Dogs redeemed, if the ps4 version lives up to the 2012 reveal then i'm all over the PC ultra settings. Looking forward to my copy arriving.
Watch Dogs redeemed, if the ps4 version lives up to the 2012 reveal then i'm all over the PC ultra settings. Looking forward to my copy arriving.
Sounds more like shoddy optimisation on any platform than anything else imo. I mean, the fact that the games resolution just so happens to be the same as the ACIV port before it was patched sounds alarm bells to me. Also, is this game really that much better than Infamous Second Son that it has to run at a lower resolution? BF4 i can get, in MP its explosion central, so much shit going on at the same time and the game looks amazing, but this? Something tells me they could have pushed up the resolution if it was a native 'next gen' game.
You can stop waiting, Ubi wont be showing any games running on Nintendo systems.Still waiting for Ubi's e3 wiiu reveal. If they don't by then, I am really canceling that preorder
Here's another comparison - Watch Dogs 2012 vs Watch Dogs final PC build.
The difference isn't that huge imo.
The difference isn't that huge imo.
DemurOnion
Banned
Well, I'm glad I have a 770 4GB for this at least.
Yawn. Terrible indeed.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
Well crisis averted, As it's actually quite favourable too the ps4 at least, As the initial reveal was a clever mix of real time and CG, So all is well and now hopefully talk can begin on the gameplay.
Here is my gripe with developers.
Why not keep the original 2012 reveal?
Keep the '2012 reveal' as the ULTRA settings for PC and just have what it looks like now for the PS4/XBONE versions
How hard is that?
A high-end PC can run the 2012 reveal anyway.
Can't be bothered optimizing?
I mean seriously. Infamous SS running on hardware that is way less powerful then a high-end PC, should never look better then something like Watch Dogs on PC.
Really no excuse
Don't get me wrong, it still looks good but seriously.. lol
Why not keep the original 2012 reveal?
Keep the '2012 reveal' as the ULTRA settings for PC and just have what it looks like now for the PS4/XBONE versions
How hard is that?
A high-end PC can run the 2012 reveal anyway.
Can't be bothered optimizing?
I mean seriously. Infamous SS running on hardware that is way less powerful then a high-end PC, should never look better then something like Watch Dogs on PC.
Really no excuse
Don't get me wrong, it still looks good but seriously.. lol
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
I haven't seen anyone identify what they think the 2012 trailer is doing that the 2014 game can't. Can anyone clearly explain with reference to technical effects that are missing?
Did you even read the article? That is pretty much what they did...
ps4 is just about on par with the 2012 reveal, PC Ultra settings trumps it.
* Fixed and artist controlled TOD for eyecandy purposes instead of dynamic TOD.
* Bokeh DOF constantly activated instead of only when start hacking.
* Scripted long cinematic to show every game aspect in a 5 min run using insane asset density instead a fully accesible city with open gameplay.
Dictator93
Member
You're kidding yourself if you think those are the only differences. I think the game looks pretty good overall, but it's a massive difference from 2012. People should just accept that and move on.
Kamina
Golden Boy
Ubisoft was never good with resource management.
I could max out most modern games, but Ghost Recon Future Soldier for example was running like ass even on mid settings.
Now imagine how consoles would hold up.
So, what are the differences?
*POM
I swear, that's the biggest disappoint to me in regard of the graphics. The POM they showed in a early footage is gone and it was looking really good.
Probably they have removed it because the texture used for that very specific floor is used a lot across all the game and it probably may end up too costly in several situation.
Officerrob
Banned
This is being overlooked, watch this people
*POM
Intentional omission in my list. There was not POM in the E3 2012 reveal, right? XD
It's really all about the lighting. As someone mentioned before it seems to have much less of an effect on the atmosphere and has less volume. Look at the gas station for example how it seems to illuminate the rain more. Also, compare the spotlights. The lighting also seems more static. For example, the train casts a shadow of the tracks as it passes by. This effect is removed in the final game. Also, there just seems to be less particle effects in general. Dust effects, the rain dripping off the bridge aren't there either. The rain also seemed to be affected by wind (like when the helicopter arrives). I think that is still in, but it seems less noticeable.
Is that PS4 or PC?
It's not even as good as 2013's "supposedly" PS4 gameplay!
Poetic.Injustice
Member
2012 footage is compressed, not really a fair comparison.
We welcome your analysis. What else do you believe is missing?
Honestly a lot of it seems to come down to more subdued color usage and a perfect control over TOD and lighting.
Why is that hard? That was a demo, not a full game. We don't know how things worked out under the scenes. I don't believe it was simply a matter of adjusting settings. Besides, the PC version already runs rather poorly on many systems.
Creating a heavily scripted, tightly controlled demo is very different than delivering a full dynamic open world.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
Its XboxOne.
Always-honest
Banned
XboxOne i believe
Photoshop new Lara's face on top of this clicker and vola!
LabouredSubterfuge
Member
That was my list too. Main difference being the heavy use of bokeh DOF.
*POM
Heard POM mentioned. Don't remember seeing it?
Gareth Bale
Member
2012 dynamic shadows from the NPCs in the nightclub. Completely gone from 2014 retail, no?
But the lighting is the biggest difference surely
But the lighting is the biggest difference surely
It doesn't affect performance much on PC, I leave it at 16x. PC VRAM isn't shared system RAM though.
KillerMan91
Member
Biggest crow eating moment in history of GAF?
So good.
So good.
Officerrob
Banned
Hell, just look at the section inside the club, the lighting is a gigantic difference
Prophet Steve
Member
The comparison video with the PC is a bit better, but there is still definitely a downgrade that is not accounted for by TOD differences and such. I even doubt the TOD and weather effects make such an impact in the final game.
For one the amount of detail is a lot lower. It can easily be seen in the last part of the video. Look at the ground in the E3 and in the PC build. In the E3 build you got grates on the floor and some kind of plates for variety. In the final build the variety seems lower.
The web player isn't working too well for me, so I can't compare all too well, but there is definitely a difference.
For one the amount of detail is a lot lower. It can easily be seen in the last part of the video. Look at the ground in the E3 and in the PC build. In the E3 build you got grates on the floor and some kind of plates for variety. In the final build the variety seems lower.
The web player isn't working too well for me, so I can't compare all too well, but there is definitely a difference.
The lighting is the obvious difference. Much more natural and impressive in the 2012 demo.
Who is supposed to be eating crow and for what?
Final build isn't on bar with with 2012's yet it doesn't seem horribly off too(at least PC on ultra doesn't). It's really the least dramatic outcome possible. -__-