Oh yeah, definitely understand that, but it's not like they've slapped in standard cores, uplocked them and called it a day.
We've got improvements which actually benefit them in a good way.
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Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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We've got improvements which actually benefit them in a good way.
Big Green Anus
Member
Honestly, that's why I'm disappointed about the specs reveal today. I was lead to believe the specs were upgraded much more than last year.
I happy to see that Scropio does system wide sampling, 16x anisotropic and upgrades for 360 games.
PS4Pro is $500 CDN.
Scorpio I don't see going below $550, likely $600 CDN.
I mean, I'll cheer for the console on behalf of my friend, but I hope MS sincerely took the time to throw money at first party development too that can take advantage of the SoC from the ground up, as opposed to porting Forza with upscaling enhancements.
Scorpio I don't see going below $550, likely $600 CDN.
I mean, I'll cheer for the console on behalf of my friend, but I hope MS sincerely took the time to throw money at first party development too that can take advantage of the SoC from the ground up, as opposed to porting Forza with upscaling enhancements.
Don't get people wrong, this thing is going to make some pretty games.
The problem is, some people were looking for this to fix the issues that popped up this gen on both consoles. Being a refresh, it's simply not going to do that.
This console would run HZD better than Sony machine. It also can't run it at 4k native and 60fps. Some people were looking for the latter.
Sleight of Jam
Banned
Why is what he said funny? Xbox has no games so he has a point. Scorpio might be impressive but what do you have to play on it?
That's the original Xbox One SOC which was 28nm, Xbox One S and Scorpio are both 16nm Finfet
These specs are worth 499 though. XO's problem was that it wasn't worth 499 spec wise.
It wouldn't be the first time Leadbetter did that job for MS.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=691569
Radical Edward
Member
You know exactly what the other factors are. Even the DF guy mentions the one thing the PS4 does better at the end of the Eurogamer vid.
Xbox Enthusiast-er One
RowdyReverb
Member
You're saying the leap from Xbox One to Scorpio is the same as the leap from PS4 to PS4 Pro?
kingwingin
Member
Is there two hdmi ports on the motherboard shot? I really hope it keeps hdmi in
your increments seem to be quite large.
Granted it has customizations, but we're talking about an OC Jaguar and (massively) OC 40CU GPU. There is also 12Gb of Gddr5, but imo $499 would be a hard pill to swallow tbh, when the Pro (yes, not a *true* 4K machine) will possibly hit $299.
LostDonkey
Member
The phone model for consoles going forward.
Maximilian E.
AKA MS-Evangelist
What I like with this info is that MS seems to be tapping their internal expertice/other Groups, to make a cool HW. A bit like the good old Days of OG XBox.
I like the custom stuff and the attention of removing bottlenecks and latency.
All these extra efforts makes the specs even better. Basically, they can do more with what they have..
Great job!
Now, can we hope for a cool design as well?
But eventually, we need the games...
I like the custom stuff and the attention of removing bottlenecks and latency.
All these extra efforts makes the specs even better. Basically, they can do more with what they have..
Great job!
Now, can we hope for a cool design as well?
But eventually, we need the games...
You may ESPECIALLY want this if you game at 1080p.
Native 4k 60fps is far from guaranteed with those specs.
Musky_Cheese
Banned
It looks like a good upgrade spec wise. And I am sure when more games are shown more people will see it as a worthy upgrade.
Once a console hits past $400, it's a tough sell. Regardless of how premium it is.
Good job Microsoft overall imo
Once a console hits past $400, it's a tough sell. Regardless of how premium it is.
Good job Microsoft overall imo
Chobel
Member
tiredheadcrab
Member
Regardless of the CPU, that's very impressive. The fact hat they had forza running the way it did was amazing. I mean there was still 30% gay usage to use.
And wow if they think it will hit $499. I'd still buy it.
And wow if they think it will hit $499. I'd still buy it.
As is any situation where the press cozy up to the industry. Sadly, this is the reality of this industry.
Are you surprised by some tech Talk regarding the Scorpio?? like something catches your eye??
semiconscious
Gold Member
I mean they both are but this replaces it as the absolute top.
RedSparrows
Member
My take: For developers, as soon as they ignore the original Xbox One they can have the same PC code run better on the console. They skip the optimization then. I don't see standard DX12 code run better than current optimized code.
I don't understand much about the specs, but I would say a new gen begins with Scorpio. I wouldn't be surprised if they presented exclusive games in E3. Forgive my ignorance.
And if it's not a new gen, then lets call it 8.75, being PS4 Pro 8.5.
I wouldn't be surprised either if Sony presents PS5 in 2018 or 2019. All these upgraded versions (New 3DS, PS4 Pro and Scorpio) make everything pretty confusing.
And if it's not a new gen, then lets call it 8.75, being PS4 Pro 8.5.
I wouldn't be surprised either if Sony presents PS5 in 2018 or 2019. All these upgraded versions (New 3DS, PS4 Pro and Scorpio) make everything pretty confusing.
VE3TRO
Formerly Gizmowned
Has the Outside Xbox video been posted? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqvc8M6hpbI
Really curious to see what kind of serious optimizations a huge company like Microsoft can pull off for these games.
Seems like this is just as much about increasing efficiency as it is increasing power. I have been wanted to see this happen ever since the announcement of DX12 (and Vulcan too).
Seems like this is just as much about increasing efficiency as it is increasing power. I have been wanted to see this happen ever since the announcement of DX12 (and Vulcan too).
Shpeshal Nick
aka Collingwood
Oh yeah. The downplay brigade is putting in work.
blastprocessor
The Amiga Brotherhood
Confused. Is HDMI 2.1 supported or not? Eurogamer article says HDMI 2.0.
You seem like a smart man.
HDD isn't the bottleneck here, it's the CPU speeds.
Then wait. If they are even out in 2-3 years.
ISee
Member
Good job Microsoft. Sounds like a strong mid gen jump. I'm still a bit in doubt about those DX12 cpu hardware implementations BUT we'll see (sounds a bit like PR talk).
Especially the better support for older titles (pre scorpio) out of the box is very cool. Welcome back to relevance, even at 499.
Especially the better support for older titles (pre scorpio) out of the box is very cool. Welcome back to relevance, even at 499.
Resident_UA
Member
Which is a great deal for you, but I have a very different concern. And video is a waste of time until they compare actual multiplatform games running on Pro vs Scorpio. Specs is all that matters until that happens.
MightyHedgehog
Member
If this all works in practice, MS seems to have nailed the way to offer a no-fuss premium upgrade on consoles. I am sold.
VectorVictor
Member
Yes and no. If PC games were as well-optimized as console games, then they would continue to blow consoles out of the water. But this isn't easy, considering the sheer amount of potential hardware floating out there.
But for consoles, this blows away the PS4 Pro and, if Eurogamer is to be believed, showcases a high level of console design we haven't seen in quite some time, and one Sony can't match anytime soon.
Of course, this all means s*** if there are no games to play on the Scorpio...
Forced 16xAF is a brilliant move, the Xbox One was already beating the PS4 in texture filtering because devs seem to forget it exists and turn it on for PS4/Pro, now on Xbox Scorpio they don't even need to think about it and it solves that issues of textures blurring because devs use basic filtering.
TBiddy
Member
Why not? What did you honestly expect?
Not really surprising, no. It's embarrassing really.
killatopak
Member
Jaguar as I expected.
The Artisan
Member
hoping this extends the longevity of the gen
nice...nice. gotta watch that video
Depends. In theory yes, absolutely. This is the best console on the market and developers should use all the power, not just for 4K TV owners. If you want the best version of a game, Scorpio should be the way to go. But in reality, who knows.
StarBlazers1
Member
The article states there is an HDMI in