To some degree it may be rigidly sticking to tradition, which is why I think it sticks out the worst in Nintendo's games: works for a few games and every now and again, but does Mario and Zelda really need to revolve around this? Even earlier on in the series they dumped that for other plots, so no, apparently not.
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Do gamers actually like helpless women?
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yes,
videogames are not cultural in any way and will not affect people in any way
it is just trash entertainment without any cultural value whatsoever and does no good either
polyh3dron
Banned
What a piece of trash that Iliad is.
TheShampion
Member
I love the "they're just video games" excuse. Maybe I am off here, but it seems really hypocritical to be a member of a video game message board and then try and act like what goes into video games aren't important to them. If people really didn't care, why would they post this issue in the first place? And why would somebody who disagreed feel the need to post something at all? It feels like people are just trying to silence a conversation at some point.
Oh, and the whole "it's just fiction, it doesn't matter!" is just bullshit. Acting like fiction doesn't derive from a real place, and doesn't reflect on the society that helped create it comes off as just being in denial.
Anyway, helpless women in video games is up there with QTEs as things that only endure because devs are too lazy, don't care enough, or don't know how to change it for the better.
Oh, and the whole "it's just fiction, it doesn't matter!" is just bullshit. Acting like fiction doesn't derive from a real place, and doesn't reflect on the society that helped create it comes off as just being in denial.
Anyway, helpless women in video games is up there with QTEs as things that only endure because devs are too lazy, don't care enough, or don't know how to change it for the better.
TUROK
Member
Haha, your statement hits much closer to home than you realize.
Glass Rebel
Member
I like all women. I don't discriminate.
crazy_about_denise
Member
To give input? After all that's what a discussion is for. It seems like you're trying to silence it.
I can't really disagree but what's your solution to it? Make all men helpless instead? That be equally stupid. Insert a helpless man for every helpless female character?
At this point I find this topic to be blown out of proportion and that's why I asked what a bizarre question this is. Gaming is not there to change social phenomena and behaviours, and it certainly doesn't influence people as much as some make it up to (the whole gun / killing discussion the past few years).
NinjaBoiX
Member
Erm, what?
I don't think that's the idea, I've saved Peach, so I "get her" as a reward. You're just a friendly plumber, helping a damsel in distress.
Also, I think you're reading way too much into this.
toastyToast
Member
I don't get that either.
Saving the princess is no different than saving the president.
This post makes no sense.
MagiusNecros
Gilgamesh Fan Annoyance
I generally like strong and intelligent and well written characters.
We also need stronger presidents that do not get kidnapped by ninjas all the time. It is yet another shameful trope that has perpetuated old steretoypes and has dire real world consequences, as a generation of weakling presidents adopts these shameful patriarchal values spouted by our media that perpetuates the (obviously invisible) ninja privilege.
Is there a vacant writting post on Kotaku yet?
Wonko_C
Member
Dunno, it depends on the context?
Yeah, marie is just awful.
Let's see some of the female characters i like:
(i would not call marie helpless)
Nah, i don't care.
Yeah, marie is just awful.
PdotMichael
Banned
Can you save a not helpless person?
Isn't it basicaly the point of saving a person?
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Ico is an interesting example because it makes normally more sense to run away with Yorda to the end of the room/level than fighting the shadows with your stick.
Ico is the active person but weak and Yorda is passive but strong.
Isn't it basicaly the point of saving a person?
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Ico is an interesting example because it makes normally more sense to run away with Yorda to the end of the room/level than fighting the shadows with your stick.
Ico is the active person but weak and Yorda is passive but strong.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TropesAreTools
It's all in the implementation.
It's all in the implementation.
GungHo
Single-handedly caused Exxon-Mobil to sue FOX, start World War 3
Eh... I'm more bothered by useless people rather than helpless people. If I am going to pick a concern about inclusion/disinclusion, I'd like having a lot more options for including other ethnicities in games beyond "thug", "kung fu guy", or "terrorist", but that's another thread.
My real pet peeves are amnesia, post-prologue depowering, and cutscene power/incompetence.
My real pet peeves are amnesia, post-prologue depowering, and cutscene power/incompetence.
