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Do not upgrade to Windows 10 (yet) if you are using DualShock 4
- Thread starter Knurek
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Yeah non standard direct input stuff isn't part of that and would be nice to have by default, but then you run in to people needing the driver on their machines and problems across operating systems (like 360 pads have on OS X for example) etc, it's hard to make something a standard the way Microsoft has when you don't own the operating system. Making a driver to access more complex parts of the hardware is actually a significant hindrance to people adopting it as a controller compared to the current solution.
In terms of basic control pad functionality though the DS4 works fine as is across windows/osx/linux so long as you tell your game to look for it, but for many reasons a ton of games just aren't set up for anything other than xinput control pads.
Black Mantis
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fargofallout
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I've been on Windows 10 for months and just played through all of The Talos Principle using my DS4 and InputMapper. I didn't have any problems - I have the controller wired, if that makes a difference.
That sucks if some people are having a problem, but there must be a way around it if I'm not having any difficulties, right?
flaxknuckles
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If it supported Xinput it would already work with all the same games the Xbox controllers work with. Developers could then put in an option to switch between Playstation and Xbox buttons.
Not really, at least not based on my experience. Only one of my games i tried without additional software works natively and that is Assassins Creed Unity, even with Playstation icons. On the other hand, The Crew didn't, Project CARS didn't. Though, these are my newest examples, i suppose most older games have no native support as well, because every other game from my libary i tried worked only with DS4Windows or a different support software.
Can you use the headset jack on the PS4 controller on Windows 10? Because the Xbox One controller lets you use the adapter to play audio and the mic for chatting, which is a real plus.
And since you can now join Xbox parties through the Windows 10 app, it's a whole lot more convenient. I can play Rocket League on my PC and still chat with Xbox One friends.
And since you can now join Xbox parties through the Windows 10 app, it's a whole lot more convenient. I can play Rocket League on my PC and still chat with Xbox One friends.
TheAdmiester
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So then it is entirely down to preference.
I didn't know that, never had any reason to use anything other than SCP.
That still leaves my question of why not simply intercept/replace DINPUT.dll
RandomSeed
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The touchpad can be a game changer. I like the 360 pad, but being able to select all my signs in Witcher 3 with swipes and touches is amazing. There's not an answer for that.
I do like the MS analog stick position better though.
King Gilga
Member
Shame, I'll hold off on upgrading till it's fixed since the DS4 is my primary PC controller now.
Preference and not needing some silly proprietary dongle.
Touch pad as mouse is also incredibly convenient.
Preference and not needing some silly proprietary dongle.
Touch pad as mouse is also incredibly convenient.
king grimlock
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Maybe Sony secretly blocked this so DS4's wouldn't get additional use so they wouldn't wear down fast. Based Sony not doing things for their wallet but doing stuff #ForThePlayers.
Sucks for those that use it but personally I think the DS4 is a bit shitty. Hopefully this is resolved soon.
It most certainly does, unless you mean it's not out yet.
And it doesn't hurt that the dongle doesn't exist yet.
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Do not upgrade to Windows 10 yet, unless you want to be a test monkey.
halopower67
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Correct me if I'm wrong but the only issue is using the "hide ds4" option? When you need that option, the game can support the ds4 natively so you wouldn't even need ds4windows running. I might be confused here though..
King Gilga
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Really? That's so fucking inexcusable.
Am I missing something or is this not really a big problem?
Games that are Xinput-only will not suffer from the double-input issue because they don't recognize the directinput inputs in the first place.
If a game does demonstrate double inputs, that means it's recognizing the DS4 directly so you just need to disable DS4Windows (or whatever xinput wrapper you're using).
So it'll be a minor hassle to switch the software back and forth and deal with configuring buttons in the game, but it's not like you won't be able to use a DS4 to play games in Win 10 that you could use it for in Win 7/8.1.
Right?
EDIT: Beaten by halopower67
Games that are Xinput-only will not suffer from the double-input issue because they don't recognize the directinput inputs in the first place.
If a game does demonstrate double inputs, that means it's recognizing the DS4 directly so you just need to disable DS4Windows (or whatever xinput wrapper you're using).
So it'll be a minor hassle to switch the software back and forth and deal with configuring buttons in the game, but it's not like you won't be able to use a DS4 to play games in Win 10 that you could use it for in Win 7/8.1.
Right?
EDIT: Beaten by halopower67
king grimlock
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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00ZB7W4QU/?tag=neogaf0e-20
Unless "exist" in this case means not currently released.
The problem doesn't affect all games.
Just some of them, especially those that can alternatively use the deprecated DirectInput gamepads.
I'm not the author of DS4Windows/Inputmapper/SCP so I can't really answer that. Just pasted what was said about it on DS4Windows webpage.
Your expertise might be required - it seems Dark Souls is one of the affected games:
DS4Windows is free.
Inputmapper is ad supported, and requires a PayPal donation to remove advertisement.
Both are just wrappers for free SCP.
Your choice, really.
SDCowboy
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Uh, no it's not irrelevant. I would still like to now which is better, regardless...
RichiRamjag
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Come on man...
So purely down to choice, then.
This. Every other controller is going to be irrelevant once the Steam and Xbox One Elite controllers are on the market.
RandomSeed
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I honestly didn't know the Xbox One controller couldn't connect via bluetooth or work with the 360 wireless adapter.
TouchMyBox
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That's a bigger stretch than Stretch Armstrong.
Omega Kirby
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Oh ok thanks, stick with 8.1 for a while longer
King Gilga
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December 31st, wow jesus, it took them 3 years to make a fucking dongle.
And then they have a gall the pretend to they care about PC gaming? What a joke.
boredandlazy
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You can choose to use a touchpad on Xbox controllers?
Crayon
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I prefer xp. harhar. Opinions. Place is crawlin with em.
KrM DeLorean
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Been using ds4windows and win10 for a few months now with no problems at all.
I believe that's a placeholder date. I think its supposed to come out in the Fall.
TouchMyBox
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For what it's worth, most games work just fine. The big things that required "hide ds4 controller" for me are just Steam BPM and Dark Souls 1.
Hey, some people just don't want to do all of the extra work of typing in classicshell.net into their web browser, or clicking off the extra radio button when choosing their ninite package.
How has 2016 been? Any hot stock investment tips?
Hey, some people just don't want to do all of the extra work of typing in classicshell.net into their web browser, or clicking off the extra radio button when choosing their ninite package.
How has 2016 been? Any hot stock investment tips?
King Gilga
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Point still stands, a couple months difference or not it's still basically 3 years, for a dongle.
King Gilga
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Put it all in China.
But yeah my bad, 2 years, but point still stands, just a bit weaker.
knightfolk
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With the battery life of the DS4 being so horrendous, I am sure most would choose to use it plugged in anyway. Calling this a wash ATM
King Gilga
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I've never had to plug in my DS4 to play a game. If I had to I'd just use a 360 controller instead of playing wired tbh.
But yeah there is no excuse for its battery life, but it hardly makes it a wash.
How about not having its functionality broken, due to not actually having official driver support?
King Gilga
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How about not having its functionality broken, due to not actually having official drvier support?
Yeah, not to mention not even working properly on the PS3 nevermind the PC, Sony really dropped the ball.
How about not having its functionality broken, due to not actually having official driver support?
"Official driver support" wouldn't fix this, because an "official driver" would have to do functionally the same thing as InputMapper and DS4Windows and would thus encounter the same problems.
Native Xinput support for the DS4 would probably require a hardware revision and getting certified by Microsoft to actually use the API.
Don't think I can fault them too much there. I haven't had a whole lot of luck plugging my X1 controller into a 360.
(still kinda bitter about the whole arcade stick thing, with 360 sticks being proven to work with Killer Instinct prior to launch)
Ah, so making an XInput compatible joypad actually requires creating a literal Xbox compatible joypad? Fair enough then.