No. Like at all. What is this take? Forspoken isn't at all like Final Fantasy either, unless you have no idea what actual FF principles are about.Outside of the name of course, it’s not really following any design or narrative philosophy of the series. I know at one point all final fantasy games were pretty much turn based, with a bunch of characters on the right or left side of the screen and a big monster or few. Then you had you basic menu’s and iconography, etc. but final fantasy hasn’t really adhered to any set design principle since 10.
I would say Forspoken probably has more in common with last mainline final fantasy than 16 does. I mean, different directors, producers, writers, story, chracters, gameplay, etc.
When you take all the above into consideration do you look at it as a new IP or not?
And just to get into this for a second.I would say Forspoken probably has more in common with last mainline final fantasy than 16 does. I mean, different directors, producers, writers, story, chracters, gameplay, etc.
Not true, FFXVI has many things typical from FF since many generations and decades ago, like the RPG genre, a fantasy setting, chocobos, summonings, etc.it’s not really following any design or narrative philosophy of the series.
Yes, but they were rehashing that since the NES and that combat system became highly outdated, repetitive and boring so they got rid of it many years/games ago.I know at one point all final fantasy games were pretty much turn based
God, I forgot about the Cup Noodles. XV is such a disgraceNo.
If anything I'd say the medieval setting, slightly darker tone and plot involving crystals and summons feels more "classic" FF than any other mainline entry in 10+ years.
Also I still don't get why this one is generating so many hot takes. Are some of you guys living in a parallel universe where the last (single player) mainline entry wasn't an action RPG with a single playable character about a boy band looking group of friends on a roadtrip, taking selfies and taking about Cup Noodles?
It's a question worth discussing. Technically no of course, but there have been new IP that share more mechanics with existing IP from the same company than Final Fantasy from one installment to another. Like Bethesda games, you just know exactly what you're gonna get. Outside the first few, Final Fantasy games cover such a diverse range of settings, across the spectrum of time, past, future, present, with mechanics that often change drastically from game to game, sometimes it does feel like you're hoping into a new IP. So by dictionary definitions, it's not, but by what new IP often means in practice, you might be able to argue that.
When you take all the above into consideration do you look at it as a new IP or not?
No, because that's not what an IP means. It doesn't matter what you "consider" it to be. It matters what the legal definition is, and FFXVI is decidedly not a new IP. Even from a game design perspective, FFXVI looks very much like single-player FFXIV.
No it doesn’t, have you played FFXIV?
No, because it is the 16th main entry of an IP.
Not true, FFXVI has many things typical from FF since many generations and decades ago, like the RPG genre, a fantasy setting, chocobos, summonings, etc.
Yes, but they were rehashing that since the NES and that combat system became highly outdated, repetitive and boring so they got rid of it many years/games ago.
I guess from OP's logic NieR Gestalts/Replicants are new IP?
No because it’s still Final Fantasy in name.
Not really, have you played original Drakengard? other than both having real time combat the actual combat system very different from each, from how magic works from Dragon riding in Drakengard and genra shifting in Nier.Nope same game director and writer, same story even if loosely connected, and same style gameplay
Technically, no.
But in all intents and purposes, it pretty much is a new game and IP. Everything we know about Final Fantasy has been changed: combat, world, settings, characters, story, etc.
Not really, have you played original Drakengard? other than both having real time combat the actual combat system very different from each, from how magic works from Dragon riding in Drakengard and genra shifting in Nier.
I bet you anything majority of people who played Nier didn't even know it was related to Drakengard but that still doesn't make Nier new IP.
like someone else said, Final Fantasy is anthology of fantasy RPGs and if you played enough Final Fantasy series one look you can easily tell its Final Fantasy.
If I put moogles and chocobo in Forspoken it wouldn’t make it a final fantasy game.
No, read my original post again, I never even mentioned AutomataYou said Nier Replicant and Automata.
I guess from OP's logic NieR Gestalts/Replicants are new IP?
No they are not loosely connected, they directly connected. What happens to ending E in Drakengard with Queen Beast that actually destroy Nier's modern world and ultimately killing entire humanity.Drakengard while loosely connected i do consider a different IP
But he is asking about Final Fantay. Personally never heard of it so I will say yes.No, because it's called Final Fantasy 16.
You mean the new IP?I say yes.
Lost Odyssey was the last true Final Fantasy.