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Does Nintendo prey on nostalgia when it comes to portables?

I know I know, two threads in a row now I've created have had to do with nostalgia, but in this case I had a flash when watching some 3DS promo videos... They games look very PS2 ish. Some would argue that the graphics aren't better than the PSP, and they may have a valid point to that...

Where sony aims for graphics "akin" to it's last or even current gen for it's portables, Nintendo's have always been an extra generation behind. The GBC came out in the N64 era and looks reminiscent of NES games, GBA to SNES, DS to N64, and now 3DS to PS2/GCN.

I can actually clearly remember when I first saw the GBA... "Holy shit! These games look just like SNES games!! I love my SNES! I have to get it!". While not as strong, I clearly remember the same thoughts for the DS and N64-like graphics. I would go so far as to say I definitely bought the GBA with the thought it would get lots of SNES style games, thankfully it did... but since I bought it on launch, I bought it only on hope and nostalgia.

I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a conspiracy, I would think it's a happy accident in Nintendo's favor. The price of technology being a sweet point coupled with an added generation behind leads to a system that is both cheap and also one that gently tugs on your past senses. Compare that to the PSP and Vita, both obviously aiming for the same types of games as their current console counterparts (PS2 and PS3 respectively). Both don't quite reach those heights and are thus looked down on.

While price obviously plays a big factor in this equation as well, it just seems like PSP and Vita ports of console games always come off disappoining, where as DS/3DS ports of more "classic" games (and sequels and other titles that are heavily based on those older consoles) come off stronger, even if some things were lost or added in the translation.

(edit) I perhaps didn't make my point as clear as I thought I had... Some clarification.

No doubt Nintendo makes great games, but the best Nintendo portable games tend to be 2nd or 3rd party. Everyone is acting like Nintendo is the only one that makes portable games.

They do, however, control the hardware, and in controling the hardware, they control the types of software that come out. My point wasn't "hur hur, Nintendo is using you!" or "Nintendo doesn't make good games, they just use tricks!". My point was that maybe a key factor in why Nintendo's portables tend to beat the snazzier Sony portables may in fact have a lot to do BECAUSE of the limitations mimicking older, nostalgia ridden consoles instead of INSPITE being inferior.

TLDR: Is part of Nintendo's success with handhelds BECAUSE of the limited hardware mimicking older consoles and not so much success IN SPITE of it.
 
I can actually clearly remember when I first saw the GBA... "Holy shit! These games look just like SNES games!! I love my SNES! I have to get it!". While not as strong, I clearly remember the same thoughts for the DS and N64-like graphics. I would go so far as to say I definitely bought the GBA with the thought it would get lots of SNES style games, thankfully it did... but since I bought it on launch, I bought it only on hope and nostalgia.

I definitely wouldn't go so far as to say that it's a conspiracy, I would think it's a happy accident in Nintendo's favor. The price of technology being a sweet point coupled with an added generation behind leads to a system that is both cheap and also one that gently tugs on your past senses. Compare that to the PSP and Vita, both obviously aiming for the same types of games as their current console counterparts (PS2 and PS3 respectively). Both don't quite reach those heights and are thus looked down on.

Well, when the things that you're basing stuff on are good, it's certainly very possible for the results to be good. SNES games still are amazing. So, something that was pretty close to a portable SNES was amazing as well.

I wouldn't say it's any sort of accident, no moreso than making great games is any sort of "accident."
 
They prey on the nostalgia of every generation by continuously making amazing games for which people will develop fond feelings.

I might have fond memories of Mario on NES, but you know what? My brother has fond memories of Mario on N64. My nephew loved Mario Galaxy.
 
With their portable systems Nintendo has been more consistent and persistent than anything else.

It's not that they're preying on nostalgia. It's that they never stopped doing what they do best in the portable realm.
 
Not to do the fist post nailed it thing but yeah I agree with it.

They make good games for their portables. Love kid icarus uprising.
 
You're suggesting Nintendo's portables are low-tech for the sake of nostalgia? I'd say go with the simplest explanation: Nintendo is just cheap.
 
Compare that to the PSP and Vita, both obviously aiming for the same types of games as their current console counterparts (PS2 and PS3 respectively).

PSP and Vita aim for the last-gen counterparts, not current. PSP was more active during the PS3 years, and Vita will be more alive during the PS4 ones.

also, this "nintendo preys on nostalgia" argument that people throw around on gaming forums has to be one of the laziest console war phrases i've ever seen
 
I'm not sure "prey" is the word you want, but they certainly rely on it.
Let's take New Super Mario Bros. and apply it to every game this company makes.

When will this fucking company learn?

I don't have as much a problem with that as I do the pricing scheme for old titles because "we don't want to offend the original developers by offering it cheap".
 
With their portable systems Nintendo has been more consistent and persistent than anything else.

It's not that they're preying on nostalgia. It's that they never stopped doing what they do best in the portable realm.
Is it not fair to say that they've been consistently and persistently behind the technological curve?

They 'get away with it' because everyone knows what they're getting when they buy a Nintendo portable. Highly polished, highly playable games. Does that trust based on their past not class as nostalgia?

Let's take New Super Mario Bros. and apply it to every game this company makes.

When will this fucking company learn?
Just after the next CoD bombs. So, not any time soon.
 
I wish they would prey more, to be perfectly honest. I enjoy my 3DS, but if it had access to the 16-bit era VC games that the Wii has it would probably be my favorite system ever. Get on it Nintendo, I want Super Metroid, Super Mario World and Secret of Mana to play on the go.
 
In this example, no, I don't believe the 3DS's graphical limitations are fueled by a desire to "prey on nostalgia". When the GBA hit the visuals looking like SNES games wasn't really exciting purely because of a nostalgic wave of SNES love, it was because up until that point the Gameboy games had been 8-bit.

Nintendo have never pushed technology when it comes to handhelds, hell, they stuck to greyscale (I'm sure there's a better term for that) with Gameboy long after competitors had come and gone with their attempts at the crown with colour screens (though this was also because of the advantages this posed for battery life).

Also, have you seen something like 3D Land or Kid Icarus Uprising? While Nintendo have certainly deliberately held back on the technical side of things, they've also built the system to support a level of visuals beyond that of a PS2. Their hardware isn't built to capitalize on nostalgia, it's built to be cheap. I also don't believe they stick to this mantra because of any sort of nostalgic side-effect.

Now, if we were talking about something like New Super Mario Bros you'd be correct.
 
I'm not sure "prey" is the word you want, but they certainly rely on it.


I don't have as much a problem with that as I do the pricing scheme for old titles because "we don't want to offend the original developers by offering it cheap".
is that why they do this? Hmm that .30 cent thing makes more sense now.
 
no, it doesn't. nostalgia is listening to N*Sync. nostalgia isn't listening to the new boy in town, Justin Bieber.
'The past' is relative. I laugh at your notion than N*Sync is somehow nostalgic, and yet, there are kids out there who don't know who The Backstreet Boys were. Nostalgia doesn't need a subject 40 years in the past.

Nintendo's entire business is based around reselling you things you have fond memories of.
Succinct and accurate.
 
If they were actually preying then why don't they release more classic games for it. They are sitting on hundreds of excellent games that they have yet to re-release on any platform.
 
Is it not fair to say that they've been consistently and persistently behind the technological curve?

They 'get away with it' because everyone knows what they're getting when they buy a Nintendo portable. Highly polished, highly playable games. Does that trust based on their past not class as nostalgia?


Just after the next CoD bombs. So, not any time soon.

The problem in this industry is: in the perception of enthusiasts/hardcore/huge nerds, you're "cheap" and lazy, if you're not cutting open a vein to lose as much money on technology as possible. To impress the people who salivate for the cutting edge.

For all that the 3DS may have been priced a bit too high at launch, Nintendo seems to engineer their portable hardware with a balance of:

- reliability
- price
- gaming device first
- able to be sold at increasingly lower prices which = huge lifetime sales.

It was actually Sony who tried leapfrogging portable games technology with PSP - the DS, for example, was a reasonable generational leap over the GBA. The 3DS is a reasonable leap over the 3DS. Sony brought the bloody battle for the cutting edge to the portable scene.

The thing is, with the actual mainstream Nintendo's portable products seem to consistently satisfy. They're not even doing horrible (and Vita-like) in the contemporary world where there's so much competition from smartphones and mobile devices. Is it cheap to try to keep producing balanced devices that are neither too weak or over-engineered? If this works for people?

Besides all that, are we going to label any brand trust as nostalgia now? If so then any popular brand is predicated on mere nostalgia.
 
Cheaper system = dated hardware = retro style games

The games are damn good and it works. I love subtly retro games.
 
Nintendo preys on making excellent games that people enjoy.

Doesn't have much to do with nostalgia.

I agree, Nintendo actually puts their top development studios on their handheld projects and actually announced some new interesting 1st and second party software this year.
 
'The past' is relative. I laugh at your notion than N*Sync is somehow nostalgic, and yet, there are kids out there who don't know who The Backstreet Boys were. Nostalgia doesn't need a subject 40 years in the past.


Succinct and accurate.

i don't even know what you're on about here. nostalgia is recalling memories you had when you were a kid. nintendo releasing 25th anniversary "Mario Collection" might be banking off nostalgia. releasing a new Mario game is not.

Besides all that, are we going to label any brand trust as nostalgia now? If so then any popular brand is predicated on mere nostalgia.

this is what people do. it's absolutely ridiculous.
 
i don't even know what you're on about here. nostalgia is recalling memories you had when you were a kid. nintendo releasing 25th anniversary "Mario Collection" might be banking off nostalgia. releasing a new Mario game is not.

There's a reason it's always a new Mario game.
 
There's a reason it's always a new Mario game.

Yea, because people like Mario. They trust Mario. Mario games are amazing games. They buy a new game to make new memories, and experience old things. Not to revisit old ones. This is not nostalgia we're talking about here.
 
It's all about the quality of their games and products. What about all the younger kids that prefer Nintendo games? They don't have any nostalgia.
 
Nintendo preys on making excellent games that people enjoy.

Doesn't have much to do with nostalgia.

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If only Sony were to capiliaze off their successful games the way Nintendo has.
 
Yea, because people like Mario. They trust Mario. Mario games are amazing games. They buy a new game to make new memories, and experience old things. Not to revisit old ones. This is not nostalgia we're talking about here.

Nostalgia doesn't mean rebuying old games. It means familiar themes or settings.

Nintendo are so reluctant to do anything new outside of Mario and Zelda etc because they know those brands resonate with people who played the old versions of them in their youth. This is why we're doomed to constantly playing the same franchises from Nintendo every generation.
 
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