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Does the PS4 Pro Play UHD Blurays?
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nuprotocol
Neo Member
Same here! Was planning on buying it simply to get a UHD player and PS4 at the same time. I don't see how it could not include one if the XBOX S can include an Ultra 4K player for $299. lol
ScaryShark
Banned
You're in the vast majority of consumers. People just want to get angry about something. I totally get if the Pro is not appealing but to say it's because there is no UHD drive is comical. I say this as someone who would have appreciated a UHD drive for convenience and cost but I totally can get why Sony isn't putting it in this machine.
purseowner
Member
This is my feeling too. I was all-in Day One and now I'm baffled.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
Guys, don´t worry about your data caps. The bitrate will be so low it won´t even matter.
Or you can stream a 80-100 GB movie.
Hoho for breakfast
Member
I'm wondering this too. So you go and buy the same discs you could buy right now and it's basically just a key to download a 4K version, or some patch as you said? I don't get this shit at all. What the fuck Sony.
And if you can ONLY stream 4K, it will fuck anyone with a bandwidth cap...and they STILL are not going to get true 4K because it's going to be compressed or whatever the proper word is for what streaming does to the quality.
Errr no?
The standard consumer is already happy with the PS4. You think normal people are buying 4K TV's? They only buy them when you can't buy anything but 4K TVs. This thing is aimed at people on NeoGAF. The fail of this hardware reveal is only beaten by the original XB1 reveal and PS3 2006.
ScaryShark
Banned
Those people, by and large, have invested in a standalone player. Those people aren't looking for all in one gaming systems. Those people are already there. The stragglers aren't worth it to Sony to get this thing out the door for $399.
It most certainly is because of no UHD Blu-Ray support that I'm no longer interested. The game performance upgrades aren't enough for me to care as someone who can play most multiplats on a PC anyway, and the fact that MS can include it in a redesign of the original Xbox One and not even Scorpio is enough reason for me to not give Sony the time of day over it.
I've appreciated using Sony consoles as physical playback devices simply to limit the amount of boxes I have to have sitting in my entertainment center.
Kibbles
Member
For the vast majority of consumers they would get PS4 Slim then. Pro is supposed to be an enthusiast device aimed at 4K. Not supporting 4k Blurays in the Pro is mind boggling
When most standalone UHD players are $200+, I definitely get why people who already own a PS4 wouldn't want / need to spend $400 for the Pro. That is 100% the reason I won't buy this.
ScaryShark
Banned
This thing is aimed at bridging the gap for Sony through 2019 and the rise of PC gaming and to help their VR initiative. UHD is completely irrelevant and will continue to be every year as more and more people DGAF about owning movies.
chromatic9
Member
I can see Sony adding a UHD player in 1-2 years for the Pro when the cost is easier but.
Sony's slim PS4 is $299 no UHD
Xbox One S is $299 and has UHD player
MS are really taking it to Sony, probably eating up the cost. Sony have probably been silently squirming for a while with Neo at 4tflops and UHD player in neither.
Sony's slim PS4 is $299 no UHD
Xbox One S is $299 and has UHD player
MS are really taking it to Sony, probably eating up the cost. Sony have probably been silently squirming for a while with Neo at 4tflops and UHD player in neither.
well technically if you download a patch you're just downloading 4k quality, not streaming it
ScaryShark
Banned
You're completely within your right to not be interested in it for that reason. I think you're in an extremely small minority and that's a minority that will continue to get smaller.
I do think the processing capapabilites of this thing have been severely underestimated but that's something that will show over time.
This is a huge kick in the nuts to those who have supported Sony through the blu ray - hddvd wars, through the console wars...
It was such an easy thing, I do not see how they could fuck this up.
The price is great, the features seem ok.
The one thing that was like sunrise/sunset was that they would have a 4k drive.
As someone whose gaming has slowly shifted to pc, I was going to get the Pro for a 4k player and then it would have pulled me in to a game here and there.
Now apparently that will be the role of the Xbox slim or I will go stand alone (and because I am a spiteful fuck it will NOT be a Sony stand alone)
It was such an easy thing, I do not see how they could fuck this up.
The price is great, the features seem ok.
The one thing that was like sunrise/sunset was that they would have a 4k drive.
As someone whose gaming has slowly shifted to pc, I was going to get the Pro for a 4k player and then it would have pulled me in to a game here and there.
Now apparently that will be the role of the Xbox slim or I will go stand alone (and because I am a spiteful fuck it will NOT be a Sony stand alone)
I'm not sure if I totally agree that the people who want a physical player are already onboard. Or that there isn't significant overlap between console gamers and the videophile-lite market. But I suppose it's just conjecture either way.
Like you pointed out the price is quite attractive. I wonder how much difference there is in the BOM between the drive in a regular PS4, and what's in the Pro.
ScaryShark
Banned
You're years late.
nuprotocol
Neo Member
Agreed. I am a member of the PCMasterRace and was willing to return to the console wars if the Pro was able to include a UHD player and PS4 in one machine. I'm hoping it just wasn't mentioned but if the XboxS can do it for $299 then the PS4Pro can do it for $399.
therealbigrich
Member
I see so often that people say physical media is dying which sounds right . I do watch Netflix in 4k streaming but when will I be able to download 4k movies and not have to stream
The problem is that 4k streaming is nowhere near the quality of 4k Blu Ray playbackMy TV came with 4k streaming options pre-installed
This. It's like watching the same thing on Bluray (1080P) vs. Streaming (1080P). Bluray looks better.
It would be adding at least another $100 to the cost. Right now, stand alone 4KUHD players are a MINIMUM of $300, Including a 4KuHD player just isn't possible at a price range of $399.
While I personally wish it was included, it's just a little too early in the market for PS4 Pro.
While I personally wish it was included, it's just a little too early in the market for PS4 Pro.
nuprotocol
Neo Member
but how do MSFT do it at $299 for the XBOXS? I don't get it.
I have a 200MB unlimited connection, and since using 4k Netflix and Prime my montly usage has gone from about 1000Gb/month to 3400Gb/month according to my last "Value" statement.
According to my TV manual it takes a minimum 25MB connection to stream 4K, and one hour of streaming uses around 7GB of data.
They're just using the original componants with a slight clock bump, this has a new GPU thats twice as powerful with a c lock bump on top.
Do everyone a favor and stick to PC.
If you're an enthusiast movie amateur, you buy a dedicated player. You'll never get the best quality image from a gaming console
That does not matter, plus Sony makes stand alone players.
In volume the drives are piss cheap for them.
The fact that Microsoft can not (and already is) waving this over Sony's head is huge and gives MS a huge open wound to keep jabbing at.
It was bad enough that the hardware would not match near the next Xbox.
Now even their $299 slim can tea bag it.
Lilalaunebaer
Member
Not if the players are 300$+
Spending $300 when a player within a console gives you a significant boost vs. streaming options isn't worth it (in my opinion)
nuprotocol
Neo Member
Or you could do everyone a favor and lighten up? get a girlfriend maybe? lol
Muppet of a Man
Member
I'm sorry you guys are not getting what you wanted, but I think they are smarter focusing on upgrading the specs of the hardware and hdd capacity and maintaining the original 399 price for the long game strategy. There are so few people investing in 4k physical media that it's just not even worth it from their perspective. And they likely got that one right.
I beg to differ.
The PS3 was a top tier rated blu ray player, in all arenas.
The entheusiast crap is just people trying to justify Sony's clowndicking us with no warning.
Space under/behind the tv is limited and people are tired of multiple devices and have been for a while now.
Platinum_D
Member
LOL that sucks now watch them release a USB UHD player later on optional like Microsoft did with the 360. I have a Samsung 4k player already so this does not bother me but i can understand why a bunch of you are disappointed..
ScaryShark
Banned
Is everyone on board? Of course not.
Are there people that would only buy the Neo if it had a UHD drive? Clearly.
Is that a big enough reason for Sony not to hit $399 with this thing in November of this year? No.
UHD is just never going to be more than a huge niche. People never bought in to Blu-ray. They don't care by and large about HD audio codecs. They don't give a shit about Atmos. I do but I clearly recognize I'm the dinosaur that is no longer serviced by the mainstream industry. I'll always have a way to spend large amounts of money on high end stuff and pay for overpriced discs that get re-released 8 times a generation. It's going to exist it's just not at all a big deal when a video game company values price over a dying format.
I'd be really curious if in a year or a year and a half if all the people bemoaning the drive not being included will actually have a sizable UHD library or if they'll continue to value convenience and price like everyone else and if they really truly want to own films if they'll be content with VUDU and other 4K streaming/digital ownership options.
I'm pretty confident which will win because it already has.
Namegoes_Here
Member
A Sony innovation left off their flagship product that would best showcase their pioneering 4K TV initiative, while their competition licenses the same tech from them... I don't understand the surprise. Congrats on a nice 3 1/2 year run of awesomeness! Party couldn't last forever, but it's been fun.
Can we blame all this madness on an intern that gave a wrong answer or something?
This is... okay I don't have a 4k Set. I probably won't get one until sometime spring next year, but I find it's really surprising for a 4K BluRay drive to be omitted in a "Pro" model of a console pushing for "4K gaming."
This is... okay I don't have a 4k Set. I probably won't get one until sometime spring next year, but I find it's really surprising for a 4K BluRay drive to be omitted in a "Pro" model of a console pushing for "4K gaming."
Oh man... is that what they're going to do? Only certain people will care about this, they can still get what they want this way.
???
Yes you will. We're talking about digital storage media with fairly exact decoding methodology, sent to the TV in a digital format on cables that offer basically zero error in local setups. There's no reason that a dedicated player should do better than a console.
I think it's likely much less than that. Players are still aimed at enthusiasts who will pay a bit as early adopters. The only reason the prices aren't higher is because they need to get a larger portion of the physical market faster because the pool is shrinking rapidly. Selling 25%(hypothetically) of DVD was fine in the early-mid Blu-ray days because 25% of DVD sales was still big at the time.
But times have changed, there are less people buying players and discs, so they need to hit the ground running with lower priced players and can no longer bilk enthusiasts for thousand dollar devices for the first few years of the format.
I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the BOM came out to $30-$40 with patents eating up another $5-$10 since a large number of them are held by Sony. I get why they prefered the lower price point, but it does make Xbox one s seem quite a bit more compelling than it would have been for people still attached to physical.
Either way it's an interesting turn of events and a bit unexpected. Though I'll be the first to admit I do like the price.
The problem is, that having the drive would have help seed the 4K growth.
People talk about "people did not accept blu ray" but it is still huge business and I have around 600 physical br discs myself and plan to keep going strong.
I have a small collection of 4k discs (since they come with the digi and the blu disc also) and was looking forward to being able to use them in my new Neo(Pro).
ScaryShark
Banned
UHD is Sony's flagship product? In what universe? If you've paid attention to the format you'd see they came in first with their 4K streaming platform and have limped in to physical. They've clearly positioned themselves to care more about streaming 4K content well before this product was ever announced.
What does UHD have to do with gaming?
ScaryShark
Banned
Sony wants 4K streaming to take off. Not discs. The film studios want discs to go away (watch any recent physical release, even UHD, where they are begging you to go streaming).
They want the Pro to sell out this holiday because it is $399.
You and I are dinosaurs. We're far and away the minority and that's going to keep getting smaller over the lifespan of this device.
Good counter point on HD audio. I hadn't thought of that, and it's pretty persuasive I'll admit. There are certainly parallels. Though I also remember people saying similar about blu-ray back in the day. It survived and co-exists with DVD as they slowly fade away.
But I'm not sure that fade is going as fast as you. Many many people are saddled with connection that either won't support decent 4k or won't work at all. Add in a large number of people who are capped and I think the decline of physical media will be longer than you expect.
nuprotocol
Neo Member
Looks confirmed that NO UHD will be included.
https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/07/ps4-pro-uhd-blu-ray/
https://www.engadget.com/2016/09/07/ps4-pro-uhd-blu-ray/
UHD will be supported, just not in disc form.