I haven't seen any footage of nightmare mode, you sure you don't mean the one that is just below?
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DOOM Launch Trailer
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I haven't seen any footage of nightmare mode, you sure you don't mean the one that is just below?
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Does "no review copies" exclusively mean bad game?
Managed to score it for £32 and I feel like, good or bad, I should play the new Doom game. Especially considering if this one tanks we won't be seeing another for a very, very, very long time :/ seriously this has been in development hell for years.
That said, everything I've seen (bar some monster designs), I like. The gameplay looks solid, and the devs look like they know what Doom's all about. It really comes down now to level design.
Doom's gameplay was the same from Level 1 to Level 32, nothing actually changed, you got barely any new weapons. What really made it special was each individual level, hence why there's still an active WAD making community.
I fear they haven't struck the balance right; sure, hell looks like Hell, but Hell in the originals was actually very varied. You'd be in a medieval looking keep the one minute, a series of mountain caves the next. I just hope, with all the furore about Snapmap, they can actually manage to create interesting and diverse levels.
Managed to score it for £32 and I feel like, good or bad, I should play the new Doom game. Especially considering if this one tanks we won't be seeing another for a very, very, very long time :/ seriously this has been in development hell for years.
That said, everything I've seen (bar some monster designs), I like. The gameplay looks solid, and the devs look like they know what Doom's all about. It really comes down now to level design.
Doom's gameplay was the same from Level 1 to Level 32, nothing actually changed, you got barely any new weapons. What really made it special was each individual level, hence why there's still an active WAD making community.
I fear they haven't struck the balance right; sure, hell looks like Hell, but Hell in the originals was actually very varied. You'd be in a medieval looking keep the one minute, a series of mountain caves the next. I just hope, with all the furore about Snapmap, they can actually manage to create interesting and diverse levels.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
"No Calabi... You are the zombie"
Fucking awesome!!! Loved it.
ZehDon
Gold Member
If the publisher believed reviewers would score it 10/10, they'd send out review copies as early as possible, to start word of mouth to back the marketing campaign. If the publisher had reason to believe the game would review very badly, then they'd hold back review copies to get as many early sales as possible before word of mouth killed it. You don't hold back reviews if you're confident in your product.
Given the fallout from the nearly unanimously canned multiplayer beta, the over-priced and under-whelming season pass, and the utter lack of excitement that an hour long stream with the developers seems to have generated, I suspect Bethesda are thinking they have a stinker on their hands.
Comfort Jones
Banned
Does Bethesda have a history of holding back review copies? I just have trouble believing the game has turned out so bad they think reviewers would destroy it, but then again I don't follow reviews much to begin with.
Shitty thing to do either way. Does NOT inspire confidence in anyone pre ordering the game I'm sure.
Shitty thing to do either way. Does NOT inspire confidence in anyone pre ordering the game I'm sure.
Ulysses 31
Member
Is there a link for this?
Yep. It all comes down to how much faith the publishers have in the product. Whether the review copies are sent or not is not a random thing. It's all marketing strategy. It's never an especially good sign when the pubs don't have faith in their own product.
Comfort Jones
Banned
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1212397
Here's the gaf thread with a bunch of links in the op.
Honestly the stream and what other footage got put up on Gamespot's channel is what got me interested.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Maybe review copies not being sent isn't a great thing, but saying the multiplayer was almost "unanimously canned" and the hour stream generated "no interest" is utter bullshit.
Bloodporne
Member
That about wraps it up. And yes, the Beta was received quute negatively, not sure where some of you were if you didn't notice. It was for good reason in my opinion and I was actually stunned at how weak it actually played and felt. I've hated the art direction, Nu-Metal music and glory kills from day 1 but was hoping the gameplay would at least be there. It's not.
People weren't ripping on the Beta in the GAF thread for example because it was 'different' but mainly because what WAS being presented was weak for what it was.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Having the most fun I've had with a MP shooter since TF2/Halo 3. We're clearly going to disagree so never mind.
J
Jotamide
Unconfirmed Member
Yoooooo that was fucking great!
People read too much into review timing. Early reviews don't guarantee the game is going to review well (Quantum Break as a most recent example), and late reviews don't guarantee a game will review poorly (though they often can, see: Assassin's Creed Unity).
If someone is gonna cancel a preorder over review copies not being sent out, I have no idea why they even preordered in the first place. The entire point of a preorder is to say "I don't care about the reviews, I'm buying this game right now, anyway".
ZehDon
Gold Member
You're correct, in that early reviews don't guarantee the game is going to review well. However, it's not reading too much into the practice of review copies, to think if a AAA video game publisher is holding back one game's review copies, when it is not standard practice to do so, that the publisher lacks confidence in their product. Give how data driven these things are, it's not a stretch to think the game has fared poorly in internal reviews and they're predicting a poor selling game.
flaxknuckles
Member
I pre-ordered because of a limited time discount I could get on the game. So if reviews came out before release and were good that meant I got a great game for cheap and if they turned out bad I could cancel it.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
For the record, Wolfenstein: The New Order had a release day embargo, so this isn't out of the ordinary for Bethesda. Not that this game is gonna be as good as TNO, but ya know...this is kinda their thing.
SkyTurnsRed
Banned
But at least copies of TNO were sent out. Doom is getting sent to zero reviewers. :|
SolidSnakex
Member
Could be another Dying Light scenario. They didn't ship out review copies of it and instead focused on Youtuber impressions. And DL was still a good game. Because as of now I haven't seen anything from DOOM that would suggest that it's going to be bad. All of the campaign footage looks pretty solid.
Its got an actual soundtrack going for its campaign instead of just ambient noise, so thats one thing nice already.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
As someone who immensely enjoyed Doom 3, im so ready for this. Miss me with the bullshit :- I just want to fuck up some demons.
Its just shit that my girl is such a fraidy cat. I cant play this at all at night otherwise she will get nightmares. Grown-ass woman, smh.
Its just shit that my girl is such a fraidy cat. I cant play this at all at night otherwise she will get nightmares. Grown-ass woman, smh.
Simo
Member
Such an awesome week for gaming though!!
I'm seeing quite a few people on Twitter and Instagram that have already snagged copies in Europe it seems. 6 days dammit...I was going to buy and finish off play Wolfenstein: TNO but the PS store wants $60 and GameStop $17 for a used copy or $20 for it new. Bloody thing was only sale for $10 and less all the time it seems except the time I want it. lol
Found it was pretty cool Mick Gordon also recently worked on the Battlefield 1 reveal trailer.
I'm seeing quite a few people on Twitter and Instagram that have already snagged copies in Europe it seems. 6 days dammit...I was going to buy and finish off play Wolfenstein: TNO but the PS store wants $60 and GameStop $17 for a used copy or $20 for it new. Bloody thing was only sale for $10 and less all the time it seems except the time I want it. lol
Found it was pretty cool Mick Gordon also recently worked on the Battlefield 1 reveal trailer.
I can't think of an example of when a publisher held out on review copies of a game that turned later out well received.
I thought the SP footage looked fine, but I'm definitely skeptical now. I also recently noticed the lead guys on Rage are also the leads on this. That's not comforting.
I thought the SP footage looked fine, but I'm definitely skeptical now. I also recently noticed the lead guys on Rage are also the leads on this. That's not comforting.
If anything that would make me more interested but then I loved the shit out of Rage. I'm still surprised at Bethesda holding back review copies though. They haven't been afraid to show the game at all and showed a lot of footage and it doesn't look terrible at all. Maybe it's just Bethesda being twitchy. I do still want to know why there's such obvious differences in speed etc from the beta compared to that Nvidia footage. I really hope they've bumped it up for the PC release.
ZehDon
Gold Member
SnapMaps are certainly cross platform - which is why the PC versions' maps restrictions are identical to the console versions - however we haven't had any information in terms of cross-platform play. This late in the game, I doubt its in there if we haven't heard about it already.
This shit was never gonna get 9s and 10s.
At best, it might review better than Wolfenstein (which I think was pretty underrated by reviewers).
Efren is G.O.A.T.
Member
I have been looking at footage and whatnot and I still don't understand some of the hate in here for this game...
Game looks awesome.
Game looks awesome.
Im still waffling back and forth between the PC and PS4 versions...which I know i'll probably be able to get the PC version for a good price via GMG, but being IdTech 6, I dunno if that beta gameplay was representative of the final build. I was running the MP beta between low 30s and 40s...but I see the PS4 is 60fps locked.
Not really a big deal, but i cant decide heh.
There was a lot of screen tearing in the PS4 Beta. The Beta was a noticeable improvement over the Alpha, though, so that would be something I expect to be smoothed over for the final build.
Well I still have framedrops in Wolf:TNO PC version, so thats mainly what I was think about, but its a more advanced engine so i dunno.
fixed.
How reliable is CD Keys? I've heard mixed things over the years...
I've only bought something from them once, and that was the Uncharted PS4 collection so I could get the U4 beta. Redeemed just fine on PSN, but other than that I cant say much.
2blackcats
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Grim Patron
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From what I saw, it is copies in the Middle East which are EU region copies because that's what the region comes under for PS4. Interested to know if there's a patch that's live already as well. Wolf had a pretty hefty patch at launch IIRC.
Open beta completely fixed the tearing.
Okay, was just my bad memory. I played a lot of the Alpha, but not much of the Beta, so I'm inclined to remember it tearing more than not. Glad to hear it.
Wolf14, also a Bethesda-published game, was mentioned on this very page.
Were Wolf review copies withheld? If so then that is strange because TNO is solid. I could've sworn there were reviews that hit on launch day.
LongDongJunon
Member
It's certainly unreliable and as shady/gray market-ass as you think it is...
...but it works.
I've found a good number of legitimate deals the I succesfully purchased over the holidays.
Basically just use it at your own discretion.
It's not a place i would buy full games from. I use it mostly for good deals on xbox or psn cards and season pass codes
I just mentioned it since there was tearing in the closed beta but not the open one.