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Pai Pai Master
Banned
Yeah, Decay is so good. I usually max that first. I will typically skip Soul Rip until team fights begin, especially because people are usually too aggressive against Undying and a level 2 or 3 Tombstone will fuck them so hard.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
How...else would one play him?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Most times I've seen someone play Alchemist, they just stay in lane and farm creeps for way too long, missing plenty of chances for a good kill or two. I don't have much playtime with him myself but I'm assuming he's better off roaming and ganking once his ult is up?
Lactose_Intolerant
Member
Black's really good.
Sing hasn't played in like a week. He didn't even know how Rosh worked this morning.
Pureauthor
Member
The big thing about Alchemist is that he can now get his full inventory like 15 mins earlier than any other Carry can. Why waste time (and usually money) ganking?
Pai Pai Master
Banned
True, true. Maybe I'll play him tonight.
I played Alchemist as a support/ganker before any of his buffs [cue hipster barista]. Max out your stun, grab a level of goblin's greed early, max acid spray afterwards to farm in the jungle during midgame. Stack jungle camps inbetween roaming.
Tranquils or Phase -> Soul Ring -> Lots of smokes for early game. Your cast range for your stun is riiiiiiight about the same as the range you lose your invis for smoke. Charge up your stun while you're hidden.
Because Alch can flash farm really well with acid spray and goblin's greed, and you have an endless supply of mana with your ultimate and soul ring, I like going Mek on him. Solves his nasty armor problem and gives you team support. You don't really do a lot of auto-attack damage but you're disgustingly tanky with your ultimate, which is great when you're playing as support. Run in first and tank everything. In a way, you play like a Vengeful Spirit, except you tank things instead of swapping people out, and your stun is a hundred times better. Also, medallion scales with your stun since your stun does physical damage.
Get whatever you want after that. Something like blademail or radiance isn't a bad choice, and Alchemist can actually farm it quickly after his support items even with a slow roaming start.
Because his stun is absurdly powerful and works beautifully with smoke, and he can flash farm the jungle easily for support items.
Honestly though, as long as you don't play Alchemist as the MAIN carry, he's really good. Play him as a side carry like Lone Druid or CK.
Some matches of support alch:
https://dotabuff.com/matches/18935843
https://dotabuff.com/matches/12095400
https://dotabuff.com/matches/47209650
Tranquils or Phase -> Soul Ring -> Lots of smokes for early game. Your cast range for your stun is riiiiiiight about the same as the range you lose your invis for smoke. Charge up your stun while you're hidden.
Because Alch can flash farm really well with acid spray and goblin's greed, and you have an endless supply of mana with your ultimate and soul ring, I like going Mek on him. Solves his nasty armor problem and gives you team support. You don't really do a lot of auto-attack damage but you're disgustingly tanky with your ultimate, which is great when you're playing as support. Run in first and tank everything. In a way, you play like a Vengeful Spirit, except you tank things instead of swapping people out, and your stun is a hundred times better. Also, medallion scales with your stun since your stun does physical damage.
Get whatever you want after that. Something like blademail or radiance isn't a bad choice, and Alchemist can actually farm it quickly after his support items even with a slow roaming start.
Because his stun is absurdly powerful and works beautifully with smoke, and he can flash farm the jungle easily for support items.
Honestly though, as long as you don't play Alchemist as the MAIN carry, he's really good. Play him as a side carry like Lone Druid or CK.
Some matches of support alch:
https://dotabuff.com/matches/18935843
https://dotabuff.com/matches/12095400
https://dotabuff.com/matches/47209650
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Cool, thanks for the tips. I'll try that out tonight in a few games.
Not just that, but his gold gain is entirely based on the rate at which he farms not how much he farms. Early game in normal lane conditions the difference between his farm and other farmers is maybe 50 extra gold per minute.
The only thing freefarming an alchemist does is make the midgame much easier. Whether support or main farmer, his farming momentum doesn't really go crazy until 10-15 minutes in.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Jakiro is like in every stream nowadays.
Pai Pai Master
Banned
Fixed. He's just really damn good now!
Yes he is. I kinda wish his stun was a tiny bit longer, so I can get more out of my ult
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
Yes he is. I kinda wish his stun was a tiny bit longer, so I can get more out of my ult
That's why you get Magnus/Enigma on your team.
Schweinehund
Member
it's a tired topic but man sometimes I feel like mm has no consistency.
A game where lich didn't buy any regen items, and just said remake after first blood, then he disconnected, and then a game where one guy refused to lane against chaos knight so he shared mid with nightstalker (as rikimaru), needless to say my solo bane isn't good enough to fight jakiro/chaos knight.
I feel as if until there is visible rating, people won't give pub games 100%.
A game where lich didn't buy any regen items, and just said remake after first blood, then he disconnected, and then a game where one guy refused to lane against chaos knight so he shared mid with nightstalker (as rikimaru), needless to say my solo bane isn't good enough to fight jakiro/chaos knight.
I feel as if until there is visible rating, people won't give pub games 100%.
Update out and... Nothing.
Now for digging.
Medusa Lines: http://pastebin.com/cP7DG0uu
It looks like the Halloween version of the map will be called 'Diretide'. There may be some sound files for it included, I'll have to see later.
It looks like they may be rigging up the chase animations a bunch of heroes have been getting.
A bit more on the Essences and eggs. You do seem to use the Essences on the eggs, and the eggs seem to keep track of two values, 'URYBEssenceLevel' and 'OPGBEssenceLevel'. The Essences will expire on November 11th, so they are going to be a limited promotion.
Sounds for Tiny and Weaver have had minor updates. Tiny now has sounds for his scepter tree.
Nightstalker and Razor seem to be getting prepped for items now.
Slark has Portrait information now. Beastmaster, Batrider, and KotL have updated portraits.
The next free item ID for some reason is now 227 instead of 216. Maybe holiday themed variations of the items? Or just some odd quark between test and live.
New Ambient Sounds for the Diretide map:
http://soundcloud.com/drkirby/sets/dire-tide
While most likely no one cares, a lot of the PNG files have been replaced by dds files.
There is a model for a barrier in the tutorial, but it is missing a file so I can't open it.
There is a new team logo called "Radiant Fall", most likely for the holiday map:
Pumpkins!
Wax seal thing that is likely for teams:
My Prediction: Halloween version of the map rolled out in 1 to 2 weeks, with Slark and Madusa being the "scary themed" heroes to go with it.
Now for digging.
Medusa Lines: http://pastebin.com/cP7DG0uu
It looks like the Halloween version of the map will be called 'Diretide'. There may be some sound files for it included, I'll have to see later.
It looks like they may be rigging up the chase animations a bunch of heroes have been getting.
A bit more on the Essences and eggs. You do seem to use the Essences on the eggs, and the eggs seem to keep track of two values, 'URYBEssenceLevel' and 'OPGBEssenceLevel'. The Essences will expire on November 11th, so they are going to be a limited promotion.
Sounds for Tiny and Weaver have had minor updates. Tiny now has sounds for his scepter tree.
Nightstalker and Razor seem to be getting prepped for items now.
Slark has Portrait information now. Beastmaster, Batrider, and KotL have updated portraits.
The next free item ID for some reason is now 227 instead of 216. Maybe holiday themed variations of the items? Or just some odd quark between test and live.
New Ambient Sounds for the Diretide map:
http://soundcloud.com/drkirby/sets/dire-tide
While most likely no one cares, a lot of the PNG files have been replaced by dds files.
There is a model for a barrier in the tutorial, but it is missing a file so I can't open it.
There is a new team logo called "Radiant Fall", most likely for the holiday map:
Pumpkins!
Wax seal thing that is likely for teams:
My Prediction: Halloween version of the map rolled out in 1 to 2 weeks, with Slark and Madusa being the "scary themed" heroes to go with it.
Sgt.Pepper
Banned
I hope that apart from cosmetic items, you didn't expect anything else.
"Snakes on a plane". Why Valve!!!
Wow, I expected Centaur. I am actually surprised. It may be 2013 before Open game at this rate.
"medusa_medus_rival_10" "medusa: Snakes on a plane!"
Is this Gyrocopter?
"medusa_medus_ally_09" "medusa: Ah, Venomancer. We both traded beauty for power."
I thought this was interesting. In Venomancer's bio, it says he was formerly a human and then was turned into the Venomancer in the Jidi Isles.
TheThunder
Member
So the leaked fix for the Centaur last week was... a troll
I'm clapping Gaben, I'm clapping
I'm clapping Gaben, I'm clapping
Source on this?
Edit: CyborgMatt just posted this, saying there will be no blog post tonight.
Edit 2: PFlax posted this on his YouTube channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sB-TFUrsFg&feature=results_video
It was real. They probably working on the 5 next heroes and have them in game already bug fixing but using placeholder models/textures. They just missed it when removing all the bugfixes that aren't relevant to public version.
Schweinehund
Member
I think I heard the same thing during the 4 week hiatus of international.
These things, they take time.
For stacking creeps attack one at 53-54 second mark and run away till they stop following you. That's stacking. Once you get more than one stack pull at 52 mark and continue till you get 3 stacks. For ancients stack as much as you want since you need those badly.
53-51; 51-49; then -2 per 2 stacks, up to 8 stacks iirc unless dragons, as they don't have collision you can spawn infinite black dragons.
krameriffic
Member
So they're doing this MLG Prizefight thing between Quantic and EG, does anyone know how to watch it ingame? I don't see it under the tournaments or the Watch tab as a public game, but I'm pretty sure they're casting it in DotaTV.
CarbonatedFalcon
Member
When did 1.09 get tagged?
lololol
lololol
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Schweinehund
Member
A free autumn treant would be great, or even a deadwood esque skin for him during halloween.
Mr Touchdown
Member
Lol 1.09 tag
Need Techies with pumpkin bombs
(Hob)Goblin Techies.
Need Techies with pumpkin bombs
(Hob)Goblin Techies.
mid: ta, bat, invoker, qop
suicide: brood, wr, lich, bh, syllabear
jungle: enigma, chen, enchantress
tsunami643
Member
It depends on the enemy team and your team but generally speaking:
Solo mid - TA
Solo suicide - DS
Jungle - Enigma and Chen
Ok, in what way does it depend on the enemy team? Like I heard that batrider is a counter to TA, does that mean TA will always get shut down by batrider no matter what?
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