Support NeoGAF

[HK-47]

I sounds like you have become that which you hate the most.

lol exactly. His teammates probably think he is as much of a shithead as he thinks they are.

 

[DietRob]

I'll play a couple rounds with you tonight if you want. You're probably better than me already but I'll try to give you some pointers that go past 'don't do that'.

I'd like to help!
First step, play with bots, a lot. One of the thing that will cause you to lose is not knowing what spells does. Practice last hitting and do not auto attack enemies.

Edit: If you guys are playing I'd like to play too.

Thanks Guys, add me on steam RbBrdMan. I doubt that I'm better than anyone I've played 2 co-op bot games. Didn't get a single kill. I seriously do not even know the basics of the game. I'll need some voice coaching.

 

[Anteo]

Thanks Guys, add me on steam RbBrdMan. I doubt that I'm better than anyone I've played 2 co-op bot games. Didn't get a single kill. I seriously do not even know the basics of the game. I'll need some voice coaching.

Just added you. My id is Anteo4Ever

 

[DietRob]

Just added you. My id is Anteo4Ever

Thanks Man. I'll be able to play some later on tonight after around 9-10pm EST.

 

[Procarbine]

I'd like to help!
First step, play with bots, a lot. One of the thing that will cause you to lose is not knowing what spells does. Practice last hitting and do not auto attack enemies.

Edit: If you guys are playing I'd like to play too.

As others have said, I disagree with this completely. Play one or two bot games to get a feel for the most basic aspects of the game, buying items, etc, watch one tutorial vid to know what's generally going on (see OP), and then dive in to real games.

 

[poppedcollar69]

Zeusspeed, my man.

I hope he has change of clothes.

 

[Des0lar]

Did I miss a joke, in that most DOTA players need a whambulance?

Nobody wants to help Rob, eh?

Added you on Steam: Personal_Jebus

 

[Anteo]

Thanks Man. I'll be able to play some later on tonight after around 9-10pm EST.

Ok! We'll play some games then.

As others have said, I disagree with this completely. Play one or two bot games to get a feel for the most basic aspects of the game, buying items, etc, watch one tutorial vid to know what's generally going on (see OP), and then dive in to real games.

I understand that playing with bots it's like in any other game: You may get used to use tactics that works on bots and only on bots, but the thing is that there are many things to practice: Last hitting, denying, getting the feel of a particular hero (I recomend to stick to 1 or 2 heroes at first), knowing what skills do (My first time against blood seeker, I ran =/ ), getting to know the map, etc. By saying a lot I don't mean 20-30 games, I'd say 10 games at least is enough, but 1 or 2 is not.

 

[Technosteve]

I need to get carried out of my ELO rank

 

[Ikuu]

I need to get carried out of my ELO rank

You'll just fall back into it.

 

[Technosteve]

;_;

 

[Lirlond]

This is what working in Braehead does to a man. It turns him into a cynical shell of his former self.

 

[poppedcollar69]

My diretide binge dropped my match making rating like crazy.

 

[Taco_Human]

What's the point in raising levels? Is there a max level? Or is it just to show how long you been playing?

 

[Spookie]

What's the point in raising levels? Is there a max level? Or is it just to show how long you been playing?

Higher you are the more likely you are to get items.

 

[Haly]

Higher you are the more likely you are to get items.

Not true. It's just that every time you go up a level, you are guaranteed to get an item.

 

[JustinBB7]

Higher you are the more likely you are to get items.

Not more likely, you just get an item every time you level up.

 

[Hylian7]

Watched the game:
Here is my input

You did some poor choices early game. Your last hitting is okay, but your item and skill choice wasn't very good. Against an agressive Kotl, you should have bought Poor Mans Shield to mitigate damage, you already had slippers in your inventory. Stout shield is nearly mandatory on void anyway. (Also you could have bought more items in the sideshop just saying)
Then you went straight for boots -> Power Treads. You were heavily harassed during laning, so you should have gotten a Ring of Health in the sideshop asap. No need to buy salve or go back to base.
Be more conservative with your timewalk, you barely had mana all early game long because you used it, even when there was no need to.
Always max Backtrack and timelock first. Timewalk is not that important (even if the additional range is nice)
Your first Chronos were pretty poor, be careful when placing that you don't trap too many allies.
After getting Ring of Health, go for Battlefury and not fo Mask of Madness. MoM makes you nuke target number one early game. No need to rush it, you need high damage (and farm) first and foremost. YOu could have stayed on lane longer, since SK and Kotl left it. Hard Carries like Void can miss some teamfights early / mid if that means they get a lot of farm.
Also Shadow Shaman was not played very well. He should have maxed ether shock and not gone for a high level shackle. Ether shock would have pushed Kotl out of lane. Also he should have bought wards to defend from Kotl casting through the trees. Next time you notice something like that, tell your support what you want. If he's smart, he will listen.

Then you simply lost the game because your whole team got outfarmed and outleveled. Nothing you could do anymore.
As a general rule of thumb, try to get Battlefury till the 20 minute mark max. Then get Power treads (get power treads first if you need the health), then Mask of Madness. If you still feel squishy, you can get a Vanguard instead of a PMS early game.

That's how I play Void and it works quite well.

I had no idea the RoH was available in the sideshop. I also only recently discovered the Energy Booster was available there too. I was always sending the courier to the Secret Shop because I thought I had to. Now I need to look up what else is available in the Side Shop that I didn't realize.

That stuff makes sense though. For some reason I always thought Vanguard on Void was generally a no-no, but I'm not sure why I thought that. I could see PMS making sense though.

 

[Ikuu]

You don't need a Vanguard on Void, just Chrono people, pop MoM, and win the game.

 

[Hylian7]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MTO2a7ZFcc

But you can keep blaming the system.

This is pretty accurate and applies to Dota 2. Doesn't mean there aren't matches where your teammates legitimately fuck it up for you (See: The Mirana spending the whole game whining about everyone on the team and dropping people's items on the courier on the opposite of the map), but it goes both ways. People tend to get discouraged if one lane loses and things spiral out of control. That's how a lot of games where I end up stomping with Pudge happen, because I even see the other team's argument spill into all chat.

 

[Drkirby]

Seems there is some Dota2 Warehouse site, like the TF2 Warehouse. Trade items in to get points, use points on any item they have in stock. Get in while the prices are wonky.

http://dota2wh.com/

 

[Epix]

Dope.

 

[Technosteve]

played as jakiro, he does not suck dick anymore. actually fun to play as. What's the combo on jakiro? icepath dual breath and ulti? scepter worth it on jak?

 

[SteveWinwood]

Just added you. My id is Anteo4Ever

Thanks Man. I'll be able to play some later on tonight after around 9-10pm EST.

Added both of yous.

 

[Pureauthor]

played as jakiro, he does not suck dick anymore. actually fun to play as. What's the combo on jakiro? icepath dual breath and ulti? scepter worth it on jak?

Icepath, Ult, Dualbreath.

And if you want more damage from spells get a Veil of Discord instead.

 

[GorillaJu]

I like Eul's, ult, ice path on Jakiro. Obviously requires an item but its monster damage

 

[shira]

how do we get this cyber monday hats deal?

 

[Sgt.Pepper]

I finally had a game where I carried with Silencer. This dude can hit really fucking hard. I focused more on getting some health so I went atos and force staff, that helped a lot. Sheepstick + Last Word even TA with her refraction bullshit/daedalus/desolator couldn't beat me 1v1.

 

[Artanisix]

Puppet and I almost lost to Purge Bloodseeker. I completely blame Puppet for that. Don't let him swindle you into paying hats for wins because he can hardly beat Purge

 

[Corran Horn]

How was it?

Went fine. I played so many bot matches and watched games prior that I tended to be best player on my team lol

 

[Dreavus]

Dope.

http://www.therobbsho.com/images/Lycan'sBane.jpg[IMG][/QUOTE]

Awesome. The helmet looks tacked on though, I think it'd look great without it.

 

[The_Player]

Yay, broke free from "normal" skill level. Had no idea I was playing high and very high mmr this months. Won only one out of 6 Very High games though.

Puppet and I almost lost to Purge Bloodseeker. I completely blame Puppet for that. Don't let him swindle you into paying hats for wins because he can hardly beat Purge

You said it with such a tone that sounds like you're almost saying that you're better than Purge. Almost.

 

[GorillaJu]

QOP, Furion, BS, SB and Batrider. Fucking stupidly strong pubstomping team. I pooped all over their BS in mid as Viper but we couldn't win (to be fair, 3/5 of my team were shit) because if you appeared on the mini-map, you were dead.

 

[Aselith]

What was your lineup? That's a good ganking team but you should have been able to roll their shit easily in a teamfight assuming you had a solid lineup.

 

[Tenck]

You said it with such a tone that sounds like you're almost saying that you're better than Purge. Almost.

Well if you go back and look at his videos closely, you can see the type of guy he is. He's a caster, first and foremost. His abilities as a player are overshadowed by people who truly know how to play the game. Wouldn't be surprised if Milk and 1.09 could beat him.

 

[GorillaJu]

What was your lineup? That's a good ganking team but you should have been able to roll their shit easily in a teamfight assuming you had a solid lineup.

We had a solid line-up, it was just that the key parts were terrible players. I think it was Viper (me), Magnus, Enigma, Slardar and Slark.

Slar, Enigma and Slark were madbads.

 

[The_Player]

Well if you go back and look at his videos closely, you can see the type of guy he is. He's a caster, first and foremost. His abilities as a player are overshadowed by people who truly know how to play the game. Wouldn't be surprised if Milk and 1.09 could beat him.

But aside from professional casting he's a decent player, to say the least. I've never doubted in Milk's skills, hell, I'm pretty much sure he's the best Dota 2 player I've yet had a chance to play with. Yet, I genuinely believe that Purge if not better but at least on par with Milk, no question about that.

 

[Ikuu]

Pretty cool Na'vi fan art.

 

[sonicmj1]

PEEBUTT 420 played a decent enough support Jakiro and got us the wards, Pipe, and Dust we needed to curbstomp an inferior squad.

Guess I shouldn't judge people by their names.

 

[Stephen_drewz]

Hopefully a quick question. I am looking at playing either DOTA 2 or LoL as I need to stop spending so much money for a while and between SC2 and either DOTA 2 or LoL I feel I will be quite satisfied in the gaming department. I have a few friends who play DOTA 2 and from what I can tell are really good so it will be a while before I can really join up with them. But I have been reading DOTA 2 has a much higher learning curve then LoL. This brings me to the question is it worth it at all to start with LoL to get the basics of the genre down or am I just wasting my time and I should just go straight into DOTA 2? I already have the DOTA2 beta so I don't need to spend any money to start either of the two.

Thanks for any help.

EDIT: And yes I understand with either game I am up for a long long learning process. But that is perfectly fine.

 

[Ikuu]

Just jump into Dota, you could wait and see if they add the tutorials.

 

[Tenck]

Starting with LoL is only going to hurt you more. Not only will you have to learn stuff from LoL, but you'll be left to die once you go onto Dota 2 because of the differences. Start out with Dota 2 and save yourself the trouble of downloading LoL.

 

[Pureauthor]

From what I understand (note: have never played LoL), starting with LoL is mostly going to teach you habits that don't apply to Dota. My advice would be to just start with Dota -> get the basics of the game layout by playing a few bot games -> jump in. There are always newcomers who will be about as equally clueless as you'll be matched against those, not the pro players or even those who have a basic idea of what they're doing.

 

[Des0lar]

Hopefully a quick question. I am looking at playing either DOTA 2 or LoL as I need to stop spending so much money for a while and between SC2 and either DOTA 2 or LoL I feel I will be quite satisfied in the gaming department. I have a few friends who play DOTA 2 and from what I can tell are really good so it will be a while before I can really join up with them. But I have been reading DOTA 2 has a much higher learning curve then LoL. This brings me to the question is it worth it at all to start with LoL to get the basics of the genre down or am I just wasting my time and I should just go straight into DOTA 2? I already have the DOTA2 beta so I don't need to spend any money to start either of the two.

Thanks for any help.

EDIT: And yes I understand with either game I am up for a long long learning process. But that is perfectly fine.

Start with Dota (because transitioning from Dota to LoL is far easier than the other way round).
Play with your friends. Matchmaking is pretty good in that regard.

Yeah the learning process is long, but to have fun ingame, be able to understand what's going on etc.. that really doesn't take that long. 20-50 games tops.
Many people say you should play the same hero often, but I don't believe that to be very useful. Play a beginner hero 2 times, max 3 times and then start playing a new hero every game. Yes you will suck, but just read a guide on playdota (or hell even dotafire) and you're good to go.

 

[Stephen_drewz]

Thanks guys appreciate it.

 

[Hylian7]

https://dotabuff.com/matches/68350532

There we go, there's a good Void game after last night's disaster.

The team comp was going to be something else, but aj didn't pick in time in Random Draft, so it gave him Void and he didn't want anything to do that, so with some discussion of swapping (I had picked before that and already picked Mirana), Broken would play Mirana, I would play Void, and aj would play Windrunner.

They were aggressively trying to gank me, only successful once, but I still bounced back from it, getting my Battle Fury at about 18 minutes. I farmed, and I farmed, and it worked out well. There was a great play that I need to record where I got a 5 man Chronosphere near our T2 tower, which got Centaur killed, then Batang on the Magnus was right outside it and ulted them, so I Time Walked in and that Battle Fury cleave got me three more kills, while we picked up the straggler.

 

[n0b]

Anybody interested in watching LGD.int in G-League (currently their second official game ever): http://www.fengyunzhibo.com/tv/39079_1346004494211.htm

Currently they're offensively trilaning a darkseer vs a void trilane and destroying it. Solo mid Puck, easy lane solo Luna.

Oh man Magnus Reverse Polarity -> Chronosphere -> QOP ult as a whole team wombo comboed so hard they lost connection as a team.

 

[Des0lar]

http://i.minus.com/ibcpYZscv3nzet.PNG[IMG]

[url]https://dotabuff.com/matches/68350532[/url]

There we go, there's a good Void game after last night's disaster.

The team comp was going to be something else, but aj didn't pick in time in Random Draft, so it gave him Void and he didn't want anything to do that, so with some discussion of swapping (I had picked before that and already picked Mirana), Broken would play Mirana, I would play Void, and aj would play Windrunner.

They were aggressively trying to gank me, only successful once, but I still bounced back from it, getting my Battle Fury at about 18 minutes. I farmed, and I farmed, and it worked out well. There was a great play that I need to record where I got a 5 man Chronosphere near our T2 tower, which got Centaur killed, then Batang on the Magnus was right outside it and ulted them, so I Time Walked in and that Battle Fury cleave got me three more kills, while we picked up the straggler.[/QUOTE]

Yep, much better than the previous, just one little pet peeve; get boots after RoH. You got killed by centaur because you simply were too slow. ;)
Mjöllnir is no bad choice, but what I like about Mask of Madness is the movement speed boost. Makes chasing much easier.
Also you can buy PMS in the sideshop. If you are against a ranged lane, I would get it [s]almost[/s] every game. It's pretty cheap and the 20dmg block against heroes is worth it's weight tenfold.

 

[Sibylus]

Anybody interested in watching LGD.int in G-League (currently their second official game ever): http://www.fengyunzhibo.com/tv/39079_1346004494211.htm

Currently they're offensively trilaning a darkseer vs a void trilane and destroying it. Solo mid Puck, easy lane solo Luna.

Oh man Magnus Reverse Polarity -> Chronosphere -> QOP ult as a whole team wombo comboed so hard they lost connection as a team.

LGD.Int just drafted Clockwerk! My insomnia redeemed.

 

[Drkirby]

Harassing the enemy jungler as a support works far more often then it should. If your lane doesn't need you to farm safely, it is usually well worth the time to annoy them. Best is when the mid comes to help giving mid an XP advantage too. As long as no one on your side dies, it can put your team at a good advantage.