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I did, and no, I'm not convinced. Conditional coverage (ie proc) and accumulative coverage (ie armor, magic resistance) are not equivalent, one always reduces damage, and the other reduces it part of the time (ever have a point of armor fail to reduce a sum of damage? no?). Further, when conditional coverage is countered, its effectiveness drops to 0. When accumulative coverage is countered, its effectiveness drops, but not to 0, given the ceiling can be raised with stackable armor/mr from items and levels. Evasion's ceiling is fixed, and its counter drops the ceiling to 0 regardless of how high it is. While its fruits are sweeter, its pitfalls are accordingly deeper, an AC is reliable damage mitigation no matter what. If you have the headroom for less reliable protection and a lot more attack speed, then rock on. Each fill their niche adequately.

Even if I understand your position, what do you think about getting AC on heroes like Naix, DK and Sven? DK and Sven have high armor themselves and i would rather have high attack speed to maximize the damage I can do while raged.
 
Really not having much luck with Puck lately. I just don't know what the hell I should be doing/building for the most part. I'm not losing a ton of games, but I feel like I'm just squeaking by the early-mid and completely dropping off in the late.

His orb seems too easily dodged/avoided (despite the speed buff), which makes initiating and even ganking a pain in the ass. I also noticed a slight cast delay when trying to teleport to orb --> silence, which might be due to me mashing but I'm not sure.

Any tips for this hero? Any good skill combos to try? orb --> silence --> ult --> ... hide? One thing I think might help is orbing from the fog more often and pretending I'm Pudge, instead of doing it straight down the middle for initiation. Puck's a hero I want to like, but I can't seem to make him work.

Blink is a core item on her, but as for the order of casting her spells, thats up to you. Some will ult first, blink, silence, orb, phase shift, then orb. I like that combo best. But you can also blink, ult, silence, then orb too. Or blink, silence, ult, etc..

With a hero like Puck, you must take advantage of surprising your opponent as much as you can.

Pretty much this. The really awesome thing about Blink on Puck is that you can walk out of damn near anything alive. Just Phase Shift to wait out the damage cooldown on your Blink, then Blink directly from the Phase Shift. Phase Shift is essentially "You don't exist." This means DoTs can't hurt you during it, and most, if not all DoTs have "ticks", and a tick will never tick on the instant Blink out of Phase Shift.

Also, you should try to bait big spells with Phase Shift. Phase Shifting a Stormbolt, Life Break, Assassinate, or even a Finger of Death (possible, but it takes a watchful eye, and a lot of luck) is always hilarious and can pretty much instantly turn around a fight in your favor.

If you really have trouble hitting people with the bowling ball, try doing one point Orb and maxing Waning Rift first. The nukes from both spells are pretty close, but Rift has a higher manacost. It's easier to hit though, and you can focus on using the Orb for positioning.

Random tidbit: If you're laning against a Keeper of the Light, take two points in Phase Shift early. Sure that puts you ignoring silence, but you'll need the extra Phase Shift time to dodge the whole Illuminate. The AoE on it is too large where level 1 Phase Shift simply doesn't cut it.
 
I believe I've built an AC on each of those heroes at least once, and never really to a perceived detriment. When you're toe to toe with their carry and you have an additional 15 armor in your back pocket, it becomes less about desperately trying to get as many swings in as possible before a proc fucks you and gets you killed as it is about enduring everything he and his team dishes out at you, lucky or not. It's an item that makes the other guy even more reliant on his supports to set you up. BKB and Assault Cuirass on DK and Sven, and Rage available at a good time with AC, these combinations mitigate so much damage it can be hair-raising to be on the receiving end, your execution just has to be so much better than would be required otherwise. And they still pack a whallop.

Additionally, I'd probably consider Heaven's Halberd on them before a Butterfly. Yes, there's less evasion and no attack speed bonus, but it's cheaper, I get more HP, more damage, a splash of missed attacks, and guaranteed 100% miss for a few seconds on an enemy carry if they don't take precautions (manta dispel, bkb, mkb, etc). If they do, I have more health to absorb the punishment (+380).
 
Bloodstone is anti-fun on anyone but Storm. That's my opinion. Yeah you build on Leshrac and maybe Lina or someone if you're getting fat, but it's the defining item on Storm.
 
Even if I understand your position, what do you think about getting AC on heroes like Naix, DK and Sven? DK and Sven have high armor themselves and i would rather have high attack speed to maximize the damage I can do while raged.

I'm still a bit new to the game, but I'd consider it a situational item for Naix and probably a weak choice for the other two. I do like it for Skeleton King, though, along with a Desolator.
 
Bloodstone is anti-fun on anyone but Storm. That's my opinion. Yeah you build on Leshrac and maybe Lina or someone if you're getting fat, but it's the defining item on Storm.

Fuck that, i get it as a third item on Axe. After that i get Aghanim and i just use my ult every cooldown even if i'm just farming creeps.
 
Just played a game where our LS built a shadow blade and a blood stone. "I BUILD FUN ITEMS."

If that Naix had build items worth a damn on his hero, we would have won.

Also first long time since I've played invoker in a long time. Kept invoking tornado instead of ghost walk. Oh how I've fallen.

Bloodstone is anti-fun on anyone but Storm. That's my opinion. Yeah you build on Leshrac and maybe Lina or someone if you're getting fat, but it's the defining item on Storm.

My Medusa would like to have a word with you. My favorite item on her. Once you get 12+ charges, you're almost unkillable.
 
If that Naix had build items worth a damn on his hero, we would have won.

Also first long time since I've played invoker in a long time. Kept invoking tornado instead of ghost walk. Oh how I've fallen.



My Medusa would like to have a word with you. My favorite item on her. Once you get 12+ charges, you're almost unkillable.
You also do 0 damage.
 
Lone Druid is one of the worst heroes to lane against as a melee. Best solution is to have a good lane partner who can help you set up ganks. He's incredibly squishy.

I really dislike the Anti-Mage set they put in today. There are some sets in the patch notes that would have been better - the QOP set, the broodmother set, Anuxi's Naga sets.. All are superior to the rather mediocre AM set.
 
Shadowblade on naix lol fun build. Well the attackspeed will help but his ulti is pretty good at getting sneaky ganks in lane.

Blink dagger naix is the new meta.
 
Reading now, looks like a pretty good guide. Especially because you tried to explain what you're supposed to do in each phase of the game (laning is easy to understand, but after that...). Something I noticed:

- I wouldn't suggest Vengeful Spirit to a beginner. Her abilities are quite simple, but her ultimate can fuck up everything and needs a bit of experience to be used correctly.

- Add "ss" and "mia" as synonyms for "missing".
 
No, Shadow Blade on one of your allies as Naix is awesome.

"Heyo!"

"SURPRISE!"

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So Valve thinks it's funny by adding another region into my queue section and puts in Europe. Get put up with quite possibly the worst teammates ever. GG Europe, never want to queue with you ever again.
 
Why do non english speakers queue for US as solo or duo (assuming both are foreign)?

I have no interest in queuing for their servers, as I do not speak their languages nor will my ping be good enough. I'm genuinely curious why they USE is a hotspot for non English speakers. Are our queues a lot shorter? Is it on their queue menu by default?

Also we're approaching OT4*, brace yourselves!
 
Why do non english speakers queue for US as solo or duo (assuming both are foreign)?

I have no interest in queuing for their servers, as I do not speak their languages nor will my ping be good enough. I'm genuinely curious why they USE is a hotspot for non English speakers. Are our queues a lot shorter? Is it on their queue menu by default?

Also we're approaching OT3, brace yourselves!

I've tried to ask this to numerous foreign teammates and no matter how politely I ask they always refuse to answer for some reason. I just don't understand why someone would intentionally sign up for worse latency and a language barrier. Hell, I don't even play on US West, I'm dumbfounded when someone plays on a different continent.
 
I've tried to ask this to numerous foreign teammates and no matter how politely I ask they always refuse to answer for some reason. I just don't understand why someone would intentionally sign up for worse latency and a language barrier. Hell, I don't even play on US West, I'm dumbfounded when someone plays on a different continent.

I've started to queue only for US East even though I'm in the UK. Found that I get better teams as when I queue EU West the majority of the time I end up in a Russian team and can't communicate with them :( The language of pinging only gets you so far
 
Why do non english speakers queue for US as solo or duo (assuming both are foreign)?

I have no interest in queuing for their servers, as I do not speak their languages nor will my ping be good enough. I'm genuinely curious why they USE is a hotspot for non English speakers. Are our queues a lot shorter? Is it on their queue menu by default?

Also we're approaching OT4*, brace yourselves!

Because America is the greatest.
 
Reading now, looks like a pretty good guide. Especially because you tried to explain what you're supposed to do in each phase of the game (laning is easy to understand, but after that...). Something I noticed:

- I wouldn't suggest Vengeful Spirit to a beginner. Her abilities are quite simple, but her ultimate can fuck up everything and needs a bit of experience to be used correctly.

- Add "ss" and "mia" as synonyms for "missing".

Don't forget that "cc" is as well
 
With Brazilians it's not even a language issue, it's a god dam they are terrible and stubborn issue. I've played with people from South America on US East from places like Peru, Mexico etc. and they play well and play the team game, but f'n Brazil man.
 
Saw the "ads" earlier on Draskylls stream, it's alright I guess. There are so many cool sets coming out they might as well show them there too.
 
Last time I checked the US has no official language, and more than English is spoken in NA.

Would you believe me if I said at least 90% of people in the US speak fluent English and a vast majority are not bilingual?

Aber mein deutsch ist schrecklich und sie sind kein deutsch dota 2 players :(.
 
Why do non english speakers queue for US as solo or duo (assuming both are foreign)?
US East has the best pings... even for other countries. My friend from Pakistan plays on US East because he says he gets better pings there (he lags on the SE servers more), better players there AND there is less chance of Russian/Brazilian or weird language players. Although the problem is that other foreigners have picked up on this too and they play US East as well.
 
US East has the best pings... even for other countries. My friend from Pakistan plays on US East because he says he gets better pings there (he lags on the SE servers more), better players there AND there is less chance of Russian/Brazilian or weird language players. Although the problem is that other foreigners have picked up on this too and they play US East as well.

That's a reasonable answer. I can empathize with that.
 
I'm going to pass the knowledge born from my mistakes to nip this discussion in the bud:

Bloodstone is a hugely situational item that is not core on anyone. It is a snowball item which costs 5k gold that bets you will have a large K/D ratio for the remaining time in the game while giving you nothing but flat hp, mana, and scaling regen.

On storm spirit, for the same cost as red boots and bloodstone you can have treads and orchid, the latter makes it much much easier to gank while giving you only slightly less regen. I spent a lot of time trying the bloodstone build on storm and both the quality and consistency of my performance drastically decreased.

On any other hero, as storm's case is a little unique because of his reliance on mana regen, for another 600 gold you could buy a skadi. You trade the regen for more stats and some agility, as well as one of the most useful orbs there is.

Only ever buy bloodstone in a 1000% super ultra stomp victory when you can afford it at like 12 minutes. Other than that, stay away from this item and buy items that do things.
 
I've always thought of bloodstone as core on Leshrac. I seem to only do well with him when I build bloodstone. Other Lesh builds don't seem to work for me.
 
I've always thought of bloodstone as core on Leshrac. I seem to only do well with him when I build bloodstone. Other Lesh builds don't seem to work for me.

By the time i get farm enough to get a bloodstone on leshrac the game is over. I am the worst farmer ever. The pieces are just so expensive
 
By the time i get farm enough to get a bloodstone on leshrac the game is over. I am the worst farmer ever. The pieces are just so expensive

When I play Leshrac as support, I don't even think about it as I can't get any farm for him (I usually go for phase drums Eul's but honestly it doesn't feel like a good support build- most likely I'm playing it wrong) but when I get to play him as a mid, it's pretty easy to pick up as long as I am aggressive with ganking sidelanes and rune control.
 
I love bloodstone but you need to get it so early to have it be effective. The stats/regen/xp gain/vision/faster respawn are amazing though.
 
Why do non english speakers queue for US as solo or duo (assuming both are foreign)?

They get better pings, also there are people who pick every server and que.

Weird thing is, I tried checking off every server to see if it reduces search times, it doesn't, well for me at least. It always takes 45 secs-1:00 for me to find a match, only when I'm in a party is it more then that.
 
Why do non english speakers queue for US as solo or duo (assuming both are foreign)?

I have no interest in queuing for their servers, as I do not speak their languages nor will my ping be good enough. I'm genuinely curious why they USE is a hotspot for non English speakers. Are our queues a lot shorter? Is it on their queue menu by default?

Also we're approaching OT4*, brace yourselves!

Because even Russians don't want to play with Russians.
 
I've always thought of bloodstone as core on Leshrac. I seem to only do well with him when I build bloodstone. Other Lesh builds don't seem to work for me.

Try rushing point booster -> aghs. Follow up with a bkb or a ghost sceptre and a force staff. These items should be enough for your mana and survivability.
 
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