But you can't even lose. There's 0 incentive to even try. But yeah, 2 players was neat.
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Double Dragon IV |OT| The masters of the art of Ssetsuken return!
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But you can't even lose. There's 0 incentive to even try. But yeah, 2 players was neat.
F0rneus
Tears in the rain
...yeah, I guess I'm in the same boat. I wasn't expecting a masterpiece that would reignite the world with beat 'm up passion or anything but then again I kinda was expecting something that would rival the NES DD games at least, i.e. be a worthy bed-fellow to them even with some modern elements thrown in.
Not sure what the point of making this game was if it ends up disappointing most old school (NES) DD fans while also being of no interest to modern action game fans either because of the retro look. Surely this was a passion project and not something they were obliged to do, so its quite disheartening then to see such lukewarm impressions...
I would be one of those people. Neon is the one I liked best other than the NES DD II.Many of us disagree.
I couldn't consider gaming journalist opinions more worthless in respect to certain genres, with beat'em-ups being one of those (not even going to get into my general disdain for Metacritic and both gamer/industry obsession with it).
davidwhangchoi
Member
i regret buying it early, next time i will wait till i read impressions and a patch.
eastx
Member
Again, that Double Dragon Neon metascore is only below 70 because one reviewer, IGN, flat-out hated the game. And most of the other sub-70 scores are from no-name outlets. The majority of the big-name reviews were positive.
Hey man, I'm a professional journalist and I gave Neon 4/5. But Co-Optimus scores aren't listed on Metacritic, annoyingly. The main thing is to consider whether the reviewer actually likes the genre when reading a beat 'em up review.
Ninja Scooter
Member
Actually you can, you have infinite continues until the last level, but there is a cheat code where you jump 30 times as soon as the level starts and you get infinite lives.
I semi-regret it, only because $7 is not a bad loss and I did have some fun with it so far. When you get into your groove it can start to feel good. I dislike that you can only punch and flying knee in one direction though as it makes getting away from some enemies feel too cumbersome. Hoping adding a player 2 will alleviate that a bit.
A good strat for big dudes is to knock them down and then stand near them and time it right and cyclone kick them over and over which does feel too cheesy.
Hopefully they patch the game and make it feel right if they do that the game will at least be a fun but rather disappointing offering. I just wish there was some more action and set pieces but in the NES style. Like going into a helicopter again, the only action-y part was being on top of the moving truck.
And it's not like IGN hasn't done something like that with anything else in the genre, with the same score awarded to God Hand even.
Sorry, no disrespect intended. Still, that is also quite important to account for. My reason for being less inclined to trust most reviews does indeed boil down to the rarity of gaming journalists having a passion for or knowledge of such games.
As for Metacritic, who they do and don't choose to count, along with the fact that they weigh the scores from various outlets differently, all without even disclosing how or why they do so, is all the more reason I don't take them seriously.
Oh I see.. I never made it this far into the game. Was too boring. XD
OmegaDL50
Member
Well I beat the game and unlocked Tower Mode already.
The game was a bit too easy in my opinion. Although there was some really cheap enemies.
Kunoichi's and the Karate Master guy with the invincible repelling block move can fuck right off.
I think the controls are a bit too loose compared to the NES versions. Although I greatly appreciate the inclusion of a separate jump button. Being able to simply jump and spam the Super Knee with reckless abandon seems a bit much.
Also Abobo can absolutely steamroll through the Tower Mode, I'm talking taking out Burnov and other large enemies with a 3-hit Punch combo and the Last Boss with two of them. All you need to do with the regular grunt enemies is just kick them once to stun them and walk into them for a Flip Toss which is usually an automatic KO. Abobo's ridiculously strong.
The game was a bit too easy in my opinion. Although there was some really cheap enemies.
Kunoichi's and the Karate Master guy with the invincible repelling block move can fuck right off.
I think the controls are a bit too loose compared to the NES versions. Although I greatly appreciate the inclusion of a separate jump button. Being able to simply jump and spam the Super Knee with reckless abandon seems a bit much.
Also Abobo can absolutely steamroll through the Tower Mode, I'm talking taking out Burnov and other large enemies with a 3-hit Punch combo and the Last Boss with two of them. All you need to do with the regular grunt enemies is just kick them once to stun them and walk into them for a Flip Toss which is usually an automatic KO. Abobo's ridiculously strong.
Ninja Scooter
Member
lol as a kid we would get like 1 or 2 games a year so we had to make them last.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
Tone's still busted.
Yeah I get that, same for me.
I picked up DD on Master System when it was decades old though.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
IGN hates all belt scrollers. Why they ever let Mitch Dyer review another one after his first attempt is what I'll never understand. It's like it's his personal quest to dismiss every game in the genre as button mashers.
DAREALGUMMY
Member
Especially when a lot of it looks more like lifted assets from The Revenge. Would have really preferred the 16 bit look with more fluid animation.
Manmademan
Member
This was the only reason ANYBODY beat some of those NES games.
enixbelmont
Member
Really surprised by the negative impressions. Screen tearing is bad, sure, but this is exactly what I expected and wanted - a sequel to double dragon 2. I think it plays pretty good, so far. Made it to stage 10 and died. Didn't realize I could continue.
OmegaDL50
Member
Devs already explained why they went with the style of DD2. It's all explained in the interviews in the OP.
For a low budget sequel priced at $7, I wouldn't expect entirely new 16-bit animations. If the product was priced higher than what it is, then yes I'd expect much more, but for what the devs promised being a follow up to DD2 with expanded mechanics, some new backgrounds and enemies and being able play them in all of the modes. It's a fair offering considering the price.
If this leads to another game, especially if Yoshihisa Kishimoto decides to do something similar to the Kunio-Kun / River City series (which he also was the creator of) then I'm all for it.
For a low budget sequel priced at $7, I wouldn't expect entirely new 16-bit animations. If the product was priced higher than what it is, then yes I'd expect much more, but for what the devs promised being a follow up to DD2 with expanded mechanics, some new backgrounds and enemies and being able play them in all of the modes. It's a fair offering considering the price.
If this leads to another game, especially if Yoshihisa Kishimoto decides to do something similar to the Kunio-Kun / River City series (which he also was the creator of) then I'm all for it.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
It plays just like DD2 except with one new move.
lastplace09
Neo Member
It almost appears that I'm the only one actually enjoying DD4...lol
Seraphis Cain
bad gameplay lol
I'm enjoying it. It's got some issues, sure, but it's fun.
OmegaDL50
Member
Just looking at the movelist, this isn't correct. I'd say it's a hybrid several DD games in terms of moveset.
For example the left and right attack options are completely removed in DD4 and instead there are independant punch and kick buttons.
There is also the return of the Elbow Strike which was omitted in the NES original DD2. Not to mention the Headbutt and it's subsequent spinning attack follow up. Then there is the Jumping Elbow and Axe Kick which are entirely new moves which each one being exclusive to Billy and Jimmy. Also the jumping Roundhouse kick which was only in Double Dragon 1 and now present with the DD2 sprite set.
It's far more than simply playing like NES DD2 with just one new move.
Xaero Gravity
NEXT LEVEL lame™
Yeah this sounds pretty disappointing. I think I'll just boot up DD2 on my NES Mini to get my DD fix. Or go to a strip club.
Freshmaker
I am Korean.
That's really not a change for the better. Being able to control attackers from either direction was in important mechanic in DD2. Removing that leaves you with an elbow attack with the range of a pixel and an irrelevant kick button.
None of them are all that useful and in some cases, they're completely redundant additions.
yurinka
Member
100% agree
daffyduck
Member
That's how they've always been.
enixbelmont
Member
Kick isn't irrelevant at all, since it has more range. Elbow is by far the fastest move in the game and is a knockdown. I've been using it a lot. This game has a big focus on crowd management. I like the huge movelist and do feel like most of them have a place and a situation theyre useful.
If you don't like DD2 NES, you won't like this game. If you want a sequel to that, well, here it is, IMO
If you don't like DD2 NES, you won't like this game. If you want a sequel to that, well, here it is, IMO
OmegaDL50
Member
The spinning headbutt follow up is arguably the most overpowered addition to the moveset. So no not useless or redundant.
But in all seriousness, it's a blatant falsehood to say it plays like DD2 with just one new move. I know some of you folks are down on this game, but try not to spread misinformation.
But in all seriousness, it's a blatant falsehood to say it plays like DD2 with just one new move. I know some of you folks are down on this game, but try not to spread misinformation.
Pathfinder
Member
So why is this a sequel to DD2 and not to DD3?
OmegaDL50
Member
Official timeline is in the OP, straight from the DD4 website. The order is DD1 > DD3 > DD2 > DD4.
I suppose some folks will say Super Double Dragon being "DD4" due to it's release order. However it was called Return of Double Dragon in Japan and going by the plot that was heavily omitted and didn't make it into the release, it was more or less a re imaging / retcon.
Would have been nice if Return of Double Dragon wasn't rushed and we got to see the finished result.
Or even a follow up to the GBA's Double Dragon Advance, which is my personal favorite of the series being closest to merge the Arcade and Console style games into one.
ldcommando
Banned
steam version is up
gunstarhero
Member
Exactly what I was hoping for!
My advice before even playing - immediately change the music to retro, and map the special moves to the extra buttons
My advice before even playing - immediately change the music to retro, and map the special moves to the extra buttons
The same could be said of this game and several others. DD can't catch a break.
eastx
Member
The NA Steam version of Double Dragon IV defaults to Japanese. An easy fix, but it's a silly mistake.
Thanks for the heads up!
Thanks for the heads up!
eastx
Member
Xbox controllers work fine on the Steam version - just tested. Let's not spread FUD.
Gai Murakumo
Member
Got to Mission 11 then died. Damn Abobo there is freaking strong as hell.
apieceofstrange
Member
Am I missing something or are there no video options at all on the Steam version?
Can't even get it full screen, it's stuck in a tiny window for me.
Can't even get it full screen, it's stuck in a tiny window for me.
D.Lo
Member
But that stuff didn't make the cut, what was released was just a standard sequel. It's just a thing for some series to stop numbering games because the higher numbers make people think they have to see/play the previous entries first. Like Super Mario World (in the west), Zelda Link to the Past, Super Metroid (yes I know it says M3 in the intro, but not on the box or title screen), Castlevania stopped numbering both console and portable series, and there are many examples from movies too.
Shadowhaxor
Member
Nope. No resolution options, only Alt+Enter for full screen.
BlueBomberX
Banned
Does the PC version have v-sync?