ElectricBlue187
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No, leave now before your worldview is soiled by the mountain of shit and the dragon erect simplistic dialog choicesHixxSAFC said:
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Dragon Age II |OT| The Revenge of Shit Mountain
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Neuromancer
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I'm just happy to be the pee-er, not the peed-on for once.
Rahxephon91
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Just because they have views, dosen't make them informed views. You kind of have to play the game to have that and if you don't why should I take you serious when you say "this game sucks"? It's one thing to say "I'm not interested in this game." or "This looks pretty bad", but it's another thing to say this games sucks and really have no backing.DSN2K said:
dalemurphy
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I can't wait for this game. I fought through a lot of annoyances and still loved the first game. Most of those annoyances are gone and there are a lot of smart improvements across the board while it looks like they retained the relationship stuff that made DAO feel so unique compared to Mass Effect.
I'm still worried about the combat. It's in a weird middle ground where you have to button mash but there's no real feedback, no blocking, and no subtlety at all. Mass Effect 2 was a legitimately good shooter, but this isn't a good action game by any measure. They should have gone further.
Also, was there a ghost writer for the OP? Well done. Much better than the crazy MGS4-styled OPs.
And for the love of God, people, shut up about The Witcher 2. We need a GT5/Forza 3 style spin-off comparison thread.
I'm still worried about the combat. It's in a weird middle ground where you have to button mash but there's no real feedback, no blocking, and no subtlety at all. Mass Effect 2 was a legitimately good shooter, but this isn't a good action game by any measure. They should have gone further.
Also, was there a ghost writer for the OP? Well done. Much better than the crazy MGS4-styled OPs.
And for the love of God, people, shut up about The Witcher 2. We need a GT5/Forza 3 style spin-off comparison thread.
tmacairjordan87
Banned
you dont' have to button mash, there's supposedly a toggle option in the console version and the pc version just plain doesn't have button mashing at all.
dalemurphy
Banned
tmacairjordan87 said:
I tend to jam on buttons even when I don't have to. There's no way I'm turning that off. I need to get some kind of workout for the 60 hours I'm going to spend playing this, even if it's just further destroying my tendons.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
I did enjoy the PC specs, brought back memories.
Holy shit, this game needs 4 megs of ram? That's going to cost a fortune!
Holy shit, this game needs 4 megs of ram? That's going to cost a fortune!
Dark Stalkers
Member
tmacairjordan87 said:
That's great for people who want it, but I want maximum awesomeness for my dollar.
Gully State
Member
Ultimoo said:
One of them is from the lead developer..
Not dumbed down or anything like that, but welcoming. Like Starting the game, your character walks up, says something kind of over the the top, and immediately starts exploding Darkspawn. - Mike Laidlow, Lead Designer, Tween
I am not sure how to react to this.
1) This condescending asshole really thinks the people who buy his games are dumb prepubescent boys drawing guns on their english textbook during class.
or 2) I should call the Canadian police because Bioware is employing tween labor.
I am not sure how to react to this.
1) This condescending asshole really thinks the people who buy his games are dumb prepubescent boys drawing guns on their english textbook during class.
or 2) I should call the Canadian police because Bioware is employing tween labor.
electroshockwave
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You take away laughing smileys and taunt us with this?
I thought Carver's death was the best part. "Brother! Why didn't you roll Mage?"
I thought Carver's death was the best part. "Brother! Why didn't you roll Mage?"
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Laidlawl
Lostconfused
Member
Well they are right, that part was the most fun to play with a warrior MC. As long as you treat it like a button mashy aRPG rather than something like DA:O.Patryn said:
Edit: The mage played pretty much the same through the first and last parts of the demo. Cast firestorm + fireball then everything dies and you move on to the next encounter where you do the exact same thing.
scorpscarx
Member
just lol
dalemurphy
Banned
dionysus said:
They are not making this game for hardcore NeoGAF gamers. They are making this game for everyone, and their data said that a lot of people gave up before even finishing an origin story. They attempted to rectify that.
Having played the demo, I don't think they really completely accomplished what they were trying to do and it pales in comparison to the Mass Effect 2 intro, but I definitely understand the reasoning. And ultimately, why do you care so much? It's only 15 minutes of a 60-hour game.
Deadly Cyclone
Pride of Iowa State
Great OP, can't wait for the game, and what the fuck is Witcher? Sequel to The Wizard of Oz?
dalemurphy
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Ysiadmihi said:
I'm JUST talking about the intro. Once you get into the actual game, it's clear that it's a similar game with a streamlined interface and more (apparently optional) button mashing.
Freyjadour
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RKs SaGa 2 OT is somewhere above all that.sestrugen said:
Well, there was Drakensang and its sequel, which play the same way except better, but Radon Labs is dead now. I can't think of anything else.2San said:
I think this is one of the main reasons people are very critical of the direction Bioware is taking the series. Dragon Age: Origins was the only high-profile release in its sub-genre in many years, and it seemed like it could be the start of a minor renaissance of its style of play. But the sequel does everything possible to move away from that rare kind of gameplay.
dalemurphy said:
They rectify it by having characters dish out one liners and having bodies explode in sprays of blood, yea I can't see any reason why I should have a problem with that. I am sure that it is just the first 15 minutes that are so juvenile...
You are right, I can't believe I am on a gaming forum discussing such inconsequential games. Hey Neogaf, wake up, this stuff is unimportant! Why do we care so much? Shut this place down until we have achieved world peace and everyone has a full belly.
Seriously, the "you care too much" or "try harder" rhetorical attack is the worst attack you can make on a gaming forum. As I can just respond why do you care enough to respond to a post from an anonymous poster, one of thousands, on a gaming forum about an inconsequential game. By joining this forum, you are implicitly stating your consent to debate the subject at hand, which is games. To attack me for caring too much is absurd, because you have already stated that you care at least as much as me, just by being a member of neogaf.
LumpOfCole
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The game is faster paced, which I really like.
What I didn't like is the difficulty being locked down in the demo. Even inventory management was taken out of my hands - it's really hard to test the limits of complexity in the game without being able to ramp up the difficulty and without being able to test out a lot of the abilities. One can edit their AI team's conditions at least, so that's good.
What I didn't like is the difficulty being locked down in the demo. Even inventory management was taken out of my hands - it's really hard to test the limits of complexity in the game without being able to ramp up the difficulty and without being able to test out a lot of the abilities. One can edit their AI team's conditions at least, so that's good.
dalemurphy
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dionysus said:
Yeah, there were no one-liners in Origins.
You're not reading good. I'm responding to you getting hot and bothered by the INTRO. Not the whole game. The intro. You jumped to a million conclusions seemingly based on the INTRO.
Again, the INTRO.
tmacairjordan87
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Ysiadmihi said:
You didn't answer the question though. If the game didn't look like complete ass graphically I would have said it was better in every way from Origins going from the demo. The combat was exactly the same on PC just faster and I always liked the wheel better than a list of things that your character says, then he doesn't even say it and the npc's assume you already said something when you click a response.
Everything else was locked out really. Got a small glance at the skill tree and it looked more or less the same, just seperated into groups rather than a big list. I don't see how that's "dumbing down" at all.
DangerStepp
Member
The system specs broke me. LOL!
I guess us PC gamers aren't too hot for this one? I didn't play the first. What am I missing here?
I guess us PC gamers aren't too hot for this one? I didn't play the first. What am I missing here?
THis is completely untrue. The very fact that it is "much faster" completely changes the battle dynamics. From melee characters closing in much more quickly to mages not needing to be protected during long casting times, it's a much less deliberate affair.tmacairjordan87 said:
Stallion Free
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Oh come on, DA: Origins OT was the same way and the thread as a whole seemed just fine to me.yencid said:
Ysiadmihi said:
Sorry I'm not seeing it. The combat in DA:O is dull for the majority of the time. This is coming from someone who has put 50 hours into it over the last 3 or so weeks. The only difference in DA2 is that it was quicker and that it animated differently to go with the new speed. You have to remember the first fights in Origins to compare rather than the mid-late game dungeons. There was no tactics in those, just hitting your attacks and mowing through them.
I can see why people dislike the wheel, it makes the dialogue choices more clear-cut but its not like Origins had subtle choices in the first place.
I think a lot of people are remembering DAO for being better than it actually was. There's complaints about maturity/juvenility now and I'm thinking that the original was the same. It had OTT gore. Stupid one liners from characters. An incredible amount of cheesy innuendo.
People are seeing massive differences where I'm just not. I don't get it. The biggest difference is in the visual style, complaints about that I understand and accept (but will again disagree with it, but like I say can accept they don't like the change). The changes elsewhere aren't sweeping or vastly different enough to change how the game plays drastically.
Durante said:
For me, melee moving in so slowly was more frustrating than anything. I spent more time on my Dual-wield rogue getting into position than actually attacking stuff.
dalemurphy said:
Again, Bioware released this demo so that people could make impressions about the game.
We're not judging something that has been leaked, or been deemed "not ready for release." Bioware opened themselves up to this criticism by releasing that portion of the game.
Are people being exceedingly negative? Yes. But I've seen a lot of defenders moving the goalposts. First it was "Wait until you play the game!" Now that people have, it's all "You can't judge it until you played the full retail version!"
I expect that the next comment will be "You can't judge it until you've beaten the game!"
And I say all this as a person who, while troubled by some of the changes, doesn't really dislike the game. I just think Bioware's PR team needs to be fired.
scorpscarx
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Vamphuntr said:I love this thread already. Just press A guys and join the AWESOME.
Hell yes, do you mind if I button mash as well?