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This is one of my favorite aspects of DB. I love the idea of Goku collecting allies throughout his life. Maybe there will be a threat big enough later on where he'll need them (technically this already paid off in the RoF movie).

Yep, it's great how Goku grows bonds through combat. I'm super excited to see what new main cast members we will get in Universe 6, Toriyama said he's designing lots of completely new characters and they said Goku's going to have "new rivals" in Universe 6.

i think beerus is about as friendly as he's allowed to be, the "destroying a very small earth" scene in the movie sums it up. hes respectful of goku, he loves earth food and his pride is satisfied, so its win win by not destroying it. ive not seen the frieza movie yet but i can imagine whis training goku and vegeta with beerus's help, but beerus retains a kind of neutrality. but i expect to see him showing warm comments about goku.

Not really a spoiler, but Beerus doesn't take part in Goku and Vegeta's training, it's just Whis. Beerus is asleep during the training and finds out about it pretty much right before Freeza shows up again on Earth.
 
When he was saying that it was ridiculous that Goku would imply that a planet of mere mortals was as important as a fight between two gods, all I could think of was that Goku's shtick of sparing people like Piccolo and Vegeta is simply a nicer form of that logic.

On another day Goku might have agreed with him. I don't think Goku really cares about protecting the earth, but he wants to protect his family and friends. At least until he gets distracted by a good fight or some food.

extremely powerful beings fighting like children on the playground

That sums this up pretty good.
 
i think beerus is about as friendly as he's allowed to be, the "destroying a very small earth" scene in the movie sums it up. hes respectful of goku, he loves earth food and his pride is satisfied, so its win win by not destroying it. ive not seen the frieza movie yet but i can imagine whis training goku and vegeta with beerus's help, but beerus retains a kind of neutrality. but i expect to see him showing warm comments about goku.

In RoF beerus does try to stay nuetral, I believe its actually whis who has the change of heart, or rather, whis was always good, being as he was never threatening of anyone;s lives
 
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he was like this isn't a game
 
Wow, Beerus got scary. That moment when he told Goku the talking ends here before following it up with those crazy juggling palm blasts. Whoa.
 
I read your comments. Allow me to disagree entirely.

I'll just sum up the facts we have, both from the manga, the anime and Fukkatsu no F.

- Beerus says that nobody is stronger than the god of destruction in this universe "anyway". What about Whis then, he absolutely is from this universe. The fact that he is excluded can't be innocent.

- Beerus mentions being weaker than most gods from other universes.

- Champa and Beerus know each other, and they are pretty much rivals.

- Beerus has no sympathy for anything nor anyone, with the exception of Whis.

- Beerus needs somebody as strong as him (or stronger).

- Beerus wants to sleep more. He woke up to meet Goku, but he wanted to sleep.

- Beerus trains Goku to get stronger.

- Beerus is not annoyed that Whis trains Goku and Vegeta. He is annoyed that he has accepted food offering for himself while Beerus was asleep....

- Beerus said he would not interfere between Goku and Freezer. (That I interpret as whoever wins the fight can become his "champion", being evil himself he doesn't care if Freezer wins.)

- Champa wants to mess with Beerus.

Questions :

- Why would Beerus want to fight a rival ?

- What would happen if Beerus fought Champa ?

Well, he does not want a rival. He has Whis, that is already stronger. If he wants to train, if he wants a challenge, if he wants to train, he has Whis. That alone completely goes against the rival in Goku idea. Especially since his official rival is Champa.

Whis and his counterpart that accompanies Champa, obey different rules. Whis mentions this to Goku when he rewinds time after Freezer destroys earth.

So Beerus has to fight his own battle, or rather, avoid any confrontation with Champa, until he finds the opponent able to surpass him he dreamed about, Goku.

It makes him waking for Goku much more meaningful.

If Beerus truly wanted a challenge, he could have went to go face ANY OTHER god.... He had no reason to go for Goku.

Granted maybe it's not Champa directly but the boss of the "Whis beings", with the different gods obeying him or something, which would trigger a new arc, but it still makes the point about Beerus using Goku to fight other gods valid.
 
Is there a place to talk about Kai as well? Because fuck I just had to go out and get the blu-rays and am watching the Vegeta vs. Frieza " fight " and the music that is playing when Frieza is descending on Vegeta down at the bottom of the ocean is incredible. And the speech from Frieza makes Frieza sound downright frightening. Fantastic stuff. F'in love Kai.
 
Your teacher who is leagues better than you doesn't make for a good rival. I always wonder why him and Champa don't just fight from time to time if he wants a challenge so much. They must have never fought considering Beerus said Goku was the 2nd strongest person he's ever fought. I guess they're just not on good terms at all.
 
Is there a place to talk about Kai as well? Because fuck I just had to go out and get the blu-rays and am watching the Vegeta vs. Frieza " fight " and the music that is playing when Frieza is descending on Vegeta down at the bottom of the ocean is incredible. And the speech from Frieza makes Frieza sound downright frightening. Fantastic stuff. F'in love Kai.

I think this is the de facto Dragon Ball thread. DB Kai is good.
 
I read your comments. Allow me to disagree entirely.

I'll just sum up the facts we have, both from the manga, the anime and Fukkatsu no F.

- Beerus says that nobody is stronger than the god of destruction in this universe "anyway". What about Whis then, he absolutely is from this universe. The fact that he is excluded can't be innocent.
In the manga he says Whis is stronger than him, so Beerus hyping himself up to Goku was just a lie.
- Beerus mentions being weaker than most gods from other universes.
He never says that, he says that there might be fighters stronger than them in other Universes
- Champa and Beerus know each other, and they are pretty much rivals.
All we know for a fact is that Champa knows of Beerus, you are making an assumption based on nothing. They probably know each other, but there is nothing that really points to them being rivals.
- Beerus has no sympathy for anything nor anyone, with the exception of Whis.
And? This is just one of his character traits... I don't understand what you are trying to get at here.
- Beerus needs somebody as strong as him (or stronger).
No he doesn't, he WANTS somebody as strong as him to fight.
- Beerus wants to sleep more. He woke up to meet Goku, but he wanted to sleep.
He only slept for 39 years, which to him was a short nap, the only reason he woke up was because of his premonition that he would meet a great rival. [
- Beerus trains Goku to get stronger.
He's just trying to draw Super Saiyan God's power out during their fight so that the fight isn't a waste of his time.
- Beerus is not annoyed that Whis trains Goku and Vegeta. He is annoyed that he has accepted food offering for himself while Beerus was asleep....
Why would he be? He just wants someone strong to fight.
- Beerus said he would not interfere between Goku and Freezer. (That I interpret as whoever wins the fight can become his "champion", being evil himself he doesn't care if Freezer wins.)
No, he didn't interfere because he didn't care and it wasn't any of his business.
- Champa wants to mess with Beerus.
I don't really have anything to say to this, we only have the tiniest bits of Champa stuff in the manga and it is really unclear what he's doing.
Questions :

- Why would Beerus want to fight a rival ?
For the exact same reason as Goku, he enjoys fighting. He's become bored not having anyone to fight and so the idea of someone who could be as strong as him gets him excited.
- What would happen if Beerus fought Champa ?

Well, he does not want a rival. He has Whis, that is already stronger. If he wants to train, if he wants a challenge, if he wants to train, he has Whis. That alone completely goes against the rival in Goku idea. Especially since his official rival is Champa.

Whis and his counterpart that accompanies Champa, obey different rules. Whis mentions this to Goku when he rewinds time after Freezer destroys earth.

So Beerus has to fight his own battle, or rather, avoid any confrontation with Champa, until he finds the opponent able to surpass him he dreamed about, Goku.

It makes him waking for Goku much more meaningful.

If Beerus truly wanted a challenge, he could have went to go face ANY OTHER god.... He had no reason to go for Goku.

Granted maybe it's not Champa directly but the boss of the "Whis beings", with the different gods obeying him or something, which would trigger a new arc, but it still makes the point about Beerus using Goku to fight other gods valid.
Again, you are making a lot of assumptions based on nothing.
 
Yep, it's great how Goku grows bonds through combat. I'm super excited to see what new main cast members we will get in Universe 6, Toriyama said he's designing lots of completely new characters and they said Goku's going to have "new rivals" in Universe 6.

Sounds awesome! Can't wait for that stuff to get started. But on the other hand I'm also excited to see the Frieza arc now that they've started taking some liberties with the Battle of Gods material.

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when beerus is ur physics teacher

This moment was so good.
 
Episode was pretty good and I enjoyed the fight but Beerus' reaction to stuff is getting tiresome. He's this all powerful being. A move here or blast there from Goku shows him being freaked out by what he's seeing but then a second later he's bored again. Too long of a build up to see peak power SSG.
 
Episode was pretty good and I enjoyed the fight but Beerus' reaction to stuff is getting tiresome. He's this all powerful being. A move here or blast there from Goku shows him being freaked out by what he's seeing but then a second later he's bored again. Too long of a build up to see peak power SSG.

He's a god, he's trying to find some enjoyment in this.
 
Episode was pretty good and I enjoyed the fight but Beerus' reaction to stuff is getting tiresome. He's this all powerful being. A move here or blast there from Goku shows him being freaked out by what he's seeing but then a second later he's bored again. Too long of a build up to see peak power SSG.

Kinda reminds me of most of the other DBZ villains who act like they want a challenge and cry like a little baby when they do get a challenge. Come on DBZ villains.
 
The worse thing about the DB culture is all the people who try to explain some of the shit...as if half this stuff makes sense most the time. There are potholes everywhere in DBZ. I wish people would stop being like "well obviously x, y, and z happened".
 
At this point, there's so much we don't know that it is really hard to speculate.

Because until we learn more about Whis and his counterpart, we don't really know what stake he has in all of this.

Chances are, they are pulling the strings, not the Gods of Destruction.
If they have an agenda, then they will drive the plot. If Whis' role doesn't change significantly, then he might just be a trainer/moderator.

It will be interesting if Beerus is killed at some point, though. Or at least, humiliated in terms of strength besides someone like Whis or girl Whis.
 
Episode was pretty good and I enjoyed the fight but Beerus' reaction to stuff is getting tiresome. He's this all powerful being. A move here or blast there from Goku shows him being freaked out by what he's seeing but then a second later he's bored again. Too long of a build up to see peak power SSG.
Disagree. Beerus continues to amp up the intensity and Goku continues to surpass expectations.

I think its been handled perfectly. Beerus clearly took control of the fight but we will have to see what Goku has left in the tank.
 
First time I can say that was a really good episode of DBS. I'm so happy we finally got to see some new and interesting techniques.
 
So I just watched the most recent subbed episode, so this is essentially BoG being DBZ'd - though damn those non-fight scenes are so annoying. And even then the fight scenes are just talking with random exchanges of punches. Though it seems the next ep would be better.
 
So I just watched the most recent subbed episode, so this is essentially BoG being DBZ'd - though damn those non-fight scenes are so annoying. And even then the fight scenes are just talking with random exchanges of punches. Though it seems the next ep would be better.

Beerus made a bunch of earth destroyer balls and Gokue destroyed them with a kamehameha. That's not just some punches.

I should read the manga version. Is it good/better/worse?

It's different. It's much much faster paced than the anime, and a lot of things play out differently. So you get a better idea of what Toriyama's outline was like when you see how different the manga is from the anime.

I'm used to watching dbz on super low quality Japanese VHS tapes to see what happened in the buu saga, so I don't mind getting spoilers from the DB Super manga now.
 
I'm curious, such as?

Plotholes? Maybe that was too strong a word. I meant inconsistencies. There are some on nearly page of this thread, and then posters try throwing logic at it. I don't think regular logic applies to DB very often.

Things that I read:

Why don't they just use the hyperbolic for everything?
Why didn't Vegeta train like Goku/Gohan?
Why can Gotenks go SSJ but Vegeta can't?
How does Gohan almost forget how to go SSJ?
Why can't girls go SSJ? Can they?
What would Raddits/Nappa look like going SSJ? SSJ3?

I just think it's pointless trying to answer some of these questions since lots of things in DB are inconsistent.
 
Sorry but we're running on TV canon here.

Gregory and all.

Well we know Toriyama is working on the Universe 6 stuff, but we have no idea if he's even doing anything for the BoG and F arcs or if Toei is just doing all that by themselves. Either way I doubt Toriyama cares if they put Gregory in.
Even if it is "anime canon" it's still contradicting GT real hard. GT is it's own thing.
 
Well we know Toriyama is working on the Universe 6 stuff, but we have no idea if he's even doing anything for the BoG and F arcs or if Toei is just doing all that by themselves. Either way I doubt Toriyama cares if they put Gregory in.
Even if it is "anime canon" it's still contradicting GT real hard. GT is it's own thing.

GT is not canon.
 
Plotholes? Maybe that was too strong a word. I meant inconsistencies. There are some on nearly page of this thread, and then posters try throwing logic at it. I don't think regular logic applies to DB very often.

Things that I read:

Why don't they just use the hyperbolic for everything?
Why didn't Vegeta train like Goku/Gohan?
Why can Gotenks go SSJ but Vegeta can't?
How does Gohan almost forget how to go SSJ?
Why can't girls go SSJ? Can they?
What would Raddits/Nappa look like going SSJ? SSJ3?

I just think it's pointless trying to answer some of these questions since lots of things in DB are inconsistent.
I could answer all your questions...

But it is way easier to say that Toriyama forgot.
 
First episode in a while, or maybe the show so far, where most of the art wasn't totally off model. Pretty much par for course for Toei these days, lots of ugly episodes with a couple decent looking ones interspersed.
 
First episode in a while, or maybe the show so far, where most of the art wasn't totally off model. Pretty much par for course for Toei these days, lots of ugly episodes with a couple decent looking ones interspersed.

I think episodes 1-4, 6-8 and 10 all did a pretty good job staying on model most of the time.
 
So I just decided to read the manga. No idea why I waited so long considering that's how I originally got into Dragon Ball.

It's pretty interesting to see how it differs from the anime. I think I actually prefer the manga since it already got into all the Champa stuff. It makes the transition between BoG and RF feel more seamless.
 
Plotholes? Maybe that was too strong a word. I meant inconsistencies. There are some on nearly page of this thread, and then posters try throwing logic at it. I don't think regular logic applies to DB very often.

Things that I read:

Why don't they just use the hyperbolic for everything? It's really fucking brutal, and most of the time they don't have an entire day to spare
Why didn't Vegeta train like Goku/Gohan? I don't know what you mean by this. Do you mean tranquil, all the time super saiyan? At first Vegeta never thought to use the transformation like that, and he wasn't calm enough anyway.
Why can Gotenks go SSJ but Vegeta can't? Do you mean SSJ3? Because Vegeta didn't know it existed and he was dead, without a body, for most of the Buu saga.
How does Gohan almost forget how to go SSJ? This one is recent, but it's clearly because he hasn't done it in a long time.
Why can't girls go SSJ? Can they? There aren't any female saiyans in the series, but there should be no reason why they shouldn't
What would Raddits/Nappa look like going SSJ? SSJ3? How is this even an inconsistency?

I just think it's pointless trying to answer some of these questions since lots of things in DB are inconsistent.
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It's supposed to be a year. That's why I originally thought they'd have something in between. Doesn't seem like they will.

I still think that at least 4 episodes will be mostly dedicated to Whis training Goku and Vegeta and that will take place over a longish period of time. The manga skips a lot of what happens in the show, so the fact that Freeza's men have already shown up doesn't mean that we are immediately going into F, even then they could show Freeza's men in episode 13 and not have Freeza revived for a few more episodes. And this isn't even taking into account a possible time skip between episodes 12 and 13.

Episode 13 is titled "Goku, Go Surpass Super Saiyan God!", so I imagine this episode will mostly focus on Goku training with his God Ki and ultimately coming to the conclusion that he needs help and then contacts Whis leading into a training arc that will have Freeza's men resurrecting him and Freeza training happening along side it with Freeza and his army showing up on Earth somewhere around episode 18.
 
So it's Dragonball Z?

Yeah, hence my post of "they really DBZ-fied BoG" :P

I'm one of the few who still feels the movie is superior to this arc.

Beerus made a bunch of earth destroyer balls and Gokue destroyed them with a kamehameha. That's not just some punches.

And it didn't really matter much other than producing the annoying commentary of the non-combatants.
 
Plotholes? Maybe that was too strong a word. I meant inconsistencies. There are some on nearly page of this thread, and then posters try throwing logic at it. I don't think regular logic applies to DB very often.

Things that I read:

Why don't they just use the hyperbolic for everything?
Why didn't Vegeta train like Goku/Gohan?
Why can Gotenks go SSJ but Vegeta can't?
How does Gohan almost forget how to go SSJ?
Why can't girls go SSJ? Can they?
What would Raddits/Nappa look like going SSJ? SSJ3?

I just think it's pointless trying to answer some of these questions since lots of things in DB are inconsistent.

You can only go into the hyperbolic time chamber for a total of 2 days( 2 years in the chamber)

Vegeta just trains differently than goku and gohan, goku actually legit knows how to train, probably because he had real teachers and such, its an actual point they made in the cell saga, vegeta thinks if he just pushes his body to the limits everytime without giving time for rest he will get stronger, but even in real life you cant reasonably do that and get stronger.

I dont know what your asking here, maybe he can if he tries hard enough, SSJ3 is really exhaustive though and its better to use SSJ1 or SSJ2 then to bother learning SSJ3.

I mean, they probably can, who said they couldnt?

I wonder that myself.
 
Explain because RoF takes place maybe a few months after pan is born

Seconds after Beerus ends the fight Champa blows up a Frieza space ship which prompts sorbet to revive frieza.

So what you said is still true, but they're not going to be a surprise reveal

What we have to assume:

1) Sorbet doesn't show up for 6 months. Goku JUST used the dragon balls
2) Frieza doesn't show up for a year, since he trains for 6 months.

So pan'll be born, so they have maybe 8 months to volunteer pan to make Gods, so
Vegeta
will get his at least. If anyone else is getting it it would need to be then, because once the kid's out i don't think she's going to be giving anyone anything for a few years.
 
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