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[Big Chungus]

Is she like, filler.

I dont think so, she was in Jaco manga and mentioned by Jaco in the new movie.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

I like how both movies had lines that would go completely over people's heads had they not paid attention to everything dragon ball within the last few years.

 

[foxuzamaki]

I should really read that manga.

 

[Syntsui]

If anything, Super retconned Vegeta's brother and will retcon Bulma's sister too. Hell, even Jaco won't exist probably.

 

[foxuzamaki]

If anything, Super retconned Vegeta's brother and will retcon Bulma's sister too. Hell, even Jaco won't exist probably.

Thats a bit presumptuous, they havent retconned anything involving akira's own canon unless stated otherwise.

 

[Sandfox]

Jaco is canon and I don't see why that would change.

She's from Jaco the Patrolman. The DB spinoff from Toriyama.

I wouldn't call it a spinoff.

 

[Daingurse]

To everyone talking about Frieza being able to wreck Goku and Vegeta if he had more training in his Golden form....the way I look at it is, similar to a fat person who's never exercised in their life, suddenly doing that for the first time seriously. Their body has all this stored up energy as fat, ready to go, and they're pushing themselves in a way they didn't before. That's why you can see them, say, losing 10 pounds in a week or two, and seeing big losses for the first few months. That's their metabolism kicking into overdrive making up for the years where it didn't do so (I might have that slightly wrong; I'd argue that metabolism is influenced by exercise but also is generally faster the younger you are, but if you eat more than you sweat out it negates your body's normal metabolism).

After a while, though, that crazy weight loss stops, and you have to put in more challenging workouts in order to make decreasing gains in losing weight (if that's your goal). That's because your metabolism stabilizes. Imho it's the same w/ Frieza and his Golden form; he never trained/worked out his body so doing so for the first time lead to massive gains, but he'd eventually hit a peak where he'd need to do a lot more than just a few more extra months of training to see similar gains going forward.

At least, that's how I'd like for it to be. DB logic rarely ever works off of real world logic, so who the hell knows honestly x3.

Don't know about any of that man, honestly think Frieza was just overconfident and inpatient. He went to earth immediately after achieving the new form, and I think if he trained more in that form he would not have burnt out just like he did at 100% on Namek. I think he was stronger than Goku, but his ki probably started draining immediately. If he was more acclimated to the form, he would have won.

 

[Sciz]

If anything, Super retconned Vegeta's brother and will retcon Bulma's sister too. Hell, even Jaco won't exist probably.

Jaco's in the OP.

 

[AlimNassor]

Or maybe freeza went SSJ and unlocked all his hidden potential ala Gohan.

 

[Sandfox]

Jaco's in the OP.

I forgot all about that lol.

 

[Dominican Power]

What's a good alternative to dragon team?

 

[NeonZ]

If anything, Super retconned Vegeta's brother and will retcon Bulma's sister too. Hell, even Jaco won't exist probably.

Jaco's in the OP.

It's still possible that Super will introduce Jaco as basically a new character, differently from the movie which seems to assume some familiarity with him. They've already ignored Kid Vegeta's design from the Dragonball Minus extra chapter from Jaco and there's also the very weird handling of Pillaf's crew, who so far haven't acknowledged having met any characters before (like how they had no reaction to Goten), and they haven't even mentioned the issue with their previous wish. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Jaco basically is introduced as a new character in Super.

 

[Icyflamez96]

What's the point of Jaco anyway

 

[Sandfox]

What's the point of Jaco anyway

They used his story to elaborate more about the world of Dragon Ball.

It's still possible that Super will introduce Jaco as basically a new character, differently from the movie which seems to assume some familiarity with him. They've already ignored Kid Vegeta's design from the Dragonball Minus extra chapter from Jaco and there's also the very weird handling of Pillaf's crew, who so far haven't acknowledged having met any characters before (like how they had no reaction to Goten), and they haven't even mentioned the issue with their previous wish. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Jaco basically is introduced as a new character in Super.

I'm sure Toei expects the viewers to have read the manga, especially in Japan. I'm kinda surprised there hasn't been a special adapting Jaco's story yet though.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

What's a good alternative to dragon team?

They all blow just wait

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

I,miss the old animations. I was just watching the fight between vegeta and android 18. Soooo good. Vegeta was just so arrogant.

 

[Russ T]

What's the point of Jaco anyway

He was hilarious, and the story was good fun.

That's all the point anyone needs in Dragon Ball!

 

[DiipuSurotu]

and there's also the very weird handling of Pillaf's crew, who so far haven't acknowledged having met any characters before (like how they had no reaction to Goten), and they haven't even mentioned the issue with their previous wish. So, I wouldn't be surprised if Jaco basically is introduced as a new character in Super.

Are you suggesting they retconed the Pilaf Saga from the original Dragon Ball? :lol

What's the point of Jaco anyway

Toriyama said he's his favorite character ever.

 

[Real Hero]

What's the point of Jaco anyway

Funny character, funny story, it's worth reading even it had no connection to DB

 

[Mendrox]

They all blow just wait

As if anybody would need subtitles at all for Dragon Ball.

 

[Ingeniero]

SSGj god goku is 6
Beerus is a 10
Whis is 15
All of this could be wrong in a couple of weeks

This HAS to be wrong, SSGSS Goku/Vegeta would wreck Beerus if this is true, maybe Whis too.

 

[NeonZ]

Are you suggesting they retconed the Pilaf Saga from the original Dragon Ball? :lol

It just seems like, differently from the movies, they seem to be very conscious about the audience not knowing characters who didn't appear in the Kai anime, which is probably why Pillaf is being handled like that. Of course, they haven't outright retconned their earlier appearances either, just aren't assuming that the viewer knows about them. Jaco, though, considering how he doesn't even originate from the main Dragonball series, easily could receive a different introduction in Super.

 

[The Silver]

This HAS to be wrong, SSGSS Goku/Vegeta would wreck Beerus if this is true, maybe Whis too.

I don't know why you think that.

For all anyone knows blue hair could be a mere 6.5 in relation to Beerus' 10 or it could be 8. It ain't like there is any math or logic to this, it's all arbitrary.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

This HAS to be wrong, SSGSS Goku/Vegeta would wreck Beerus if this is true, maybe Whis too.

Why?

 

[Ingeniero]

I don't know why you think that.

For all anyone knows blue hair could be a mere 6.5 in relation to Beerus' 10 or it could be 8. It ain't like there is any math or logic to this, it's all arbitrary.

Why?

Following the SSJ logic, it's a huge boost over the base form.
I would think that SSGSS is at least x2 SSG....
Maybe I'm over thinking this, Toriyama forgot is a better answer.

 

[Sciz]

Following the SSJ logic, it's a huge boost over the base form.
I would think that SSGSS is at least x2 SSG....
Maybe I'm over thinking this, Toriyama forgot is a better answer.

Much like Gohan, transforming doesn't really do much for them any more. Super saiyan as a concept would probably be completely deprecated if not for Toei wanting to sell more toys.

 

[Blader]

Following the SSJ logic, it's a huge boost over the base form.
I would think that SSGSS is at least x2 SSG....
Maybe I'm over thinking this, Toriyama forgot is a better answer.

Toriyama already backed off the 50x multiplier for SSJ1, and said something semi-recently about whoever came up with that probably got a little too carried away.

Immediately upending 20 years of power level stats debates :lol

 

[guek]

I was never under the impression that Goku could go ssj god at will, just that he could now tap into god ki. I thought ssjgssj was actually weaker than ssj god.

 

[Syntsui]

Every once in a while we have to remind ourselves that power levels are bullshit, but here we go. Guys, power levels are bullshit.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

I was never under the impression that Goku could go ssj god at will, just that he could now tap into god ki. I thought ssjgssj was actually weaker than ssj god.

SSJG SSJ is actually described as going SSJG while in SSJ state.

 

[Ingeniero]

Every once in a while we have to remind ourselves that power levels are bullshit, but here we go. Guys, power levels are bullshit.

But it's so much fun to theorize about power levels !
Dammit Toriyama.

 

[J-Rod]

What's a good alternative to dragon team?

I think Inert is considered second best. A whole lot faster with releases too.

 

[kewlmyc]

If anything, Super retconned Vegeta's brother and will retcon Bulma's sister too. Hell, even Jaco won't exist probably.

He's in the freaking OP.

Edit: Beaten by a few hours.

 

[NeonZ]

SSJG SSJ is actually described as going SSJG while in SSJ state.

No, SSJGSS is described as "a SSJ with the power of SSJGod". It's not clear what that means exactly - it could either be a SSJ boost on top of SSJGod, or just a SSJ with the same power as a SSJGod. The later makes more sense, considering how Beerus and Whis still seem to be stronger than Goku in RoF.

Toriyama already backed off the 50x multiplier for SSJ1, and said something semi-recently about whoever came up with that probably got a little too carried away.

Immediately upending 20 years of power level stats debates :lol

He just said that it was meant to be 50x, but was usually drawn closer to 10x. That actually makes a lot of sense and it's noticed by most people who read the manga after the Freeza Saga, considering the usual comments about how the characters don't seem any stronger after that point. It's not until we get to fusion and SSJ3 that we get feats bigger than the ones from the Freeza Saga again.

 

[Zolo]

King Kai/Narrator's voice actor to be temporarily replaced while the voice actor undergoes medical treatment.

Toei Animation announced on Friday that voice actor Naoki Tatsuta will temporarily replace Jouji Yanami as both North Kaiō and the Narrator in the Dragon Ball Super television anime series. Tatsuta is replacing Yanami so that Yanami can undergo medical treatment. The announcement did not specify the reason for the treatment. Tatsuta will replace Yanami starting with the show's 12th episode, which will air on September 27.

Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...io-narrator-in-dragon-ball-super-anime/.93369

 

[kinggroin]

King Kai/Narrator's voice actor to be temporarily replaced while the voice actor undergoes medical treatment.



Source: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/new...io-narrator-in-dragon-ball-super-anime/.93369

:-(

 

[Sciz]

"Temporarily"

Glad to hear he's getting some help, but I'll be amazed if he actually comes back. They're just letting him go with dignity.

 

[Zolo]

"Temporarily"

Glad to hear he's getting some help, but I'll be amazed if he actually comes back. They're just letting him go with dignity.

Yeah. Probably not the best word since at best, it says Toei will talk with him about whether he should return to his role in his current condition.

 

[Real Hero]

Sort of weird people will be thrilled about that

 

[Parallax Scroll]

I was watching the Kid Buu fight in Kai, which aired only a few weeks before Super, and the narrator's voice actor sounded fine then. Not as youthful and energetic as in DBZ, but also nothing like how he sounds in Super. Whatever health issues he's having may have came up pretty suddenly. Hope he recovers soon.

 

[A Pretty Panda]

Kai was done a trillion years ago

 

[Parallax Scroll]

Kai was done a trillion years ago

That would also explain it.

 

[Rymuth]

Just heard about Joji Yanami.

Best wishes and a speedy recovery to him.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

That's a really good idea. Frieza's villain shtick is getting old; by now he should know he's definitely weaker than Goku and now Vegeta. We barely know anything about his species or their history, or Frieza's history either.

It would add a nice layer of complexity to the overall DBZ story to see this diabolical tyrannt try to become good, even if he were forced to (which could be played up for comical effect).

I don't want Frieza becoming a soft guy with feelings like Vegeta.
But rather, if Champs and some other powerful warriors were to show up and disrupt Goku and Friezas fight, what would happen?

Would Frieza see Goku as a tool to help get rid of these guys? Its the same logic Piccolo used when he encountered Raditz.

Ultimately, I just want some good battles between Villains. The Good Guy vs. Bad guy dynamic can get kind of boring.

That's why Vegeta vs. Kiwi, Dodoria, Zarbon, and Ginyu was so good. And then Android 17 vs. Cell was an interesting dynamic, too.

 

[Sephzilla]

Frieza turning good would be where I officially lose interest in Dragonball because that would be the shark jumping moment. Frieza was designed to be so ruthless and evil that by comparison Vegeta ended up looking like an okay guy.

 

[Syntsui]

Frieza turning good would be where I officially lose interest in Dragonball because that would be the shark jumping moment. Frieza was designed to be so ruthless and evil that by comparison Vegeta ended up looking like an okay guy.

We will have good guy Frieza from Dimension #3. Relax.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

Frieza turning good would be where I officially lose interest in Dragonball because that would be the shark jumping moment. Frieza was designed to be so ruthless and evil that by comparison Vegeta ended up looking like an okay guy.

Yeah I don't want him being good either. But rather, some good villain on villain action.

 

[Host Samurai]

Yeah I'm down for some villian vs villian fights. Dabura vs Buu was cut too short. Perhaps to display just how much more powerful Buu was compared to a guy that was stated to be stronger than SPC.

 

[Icyflamez96]

What makes people think the different universes are going to be alternate versions of the one they're currently in? They're probably going to be treated as just completely different places.

 

[Zolo]

What makes people think the different universes are going to be alternate versions of the one they're currently in? They're probably going to be treated as just completely different places.

I'd say because of Champa and his assistant.