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[donkey show]

In honor of all the Gohan tall, I put together an all Gohan team in Dokkan Battle.

Even with all your Ls, you're still a cool dude, Gohan.

 

[Vex_]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=031ahzM3JEY

When I first saw this scene, I didnt know what to make of it. This was so out of character for vegeta, yet... so in character at the same time.

Vegeta once again showing he is an outstanding troll. He is such a dynamic character unlike gohan/goku/goten who all pretty much have the same attitude all the friggin time (static).

 

[Russ T]

That scene was so good.

Vegeta is the best.

 

[Lord Virgin]

Vegeta once again showing he is an outstanding troll. He is such a dynamic character unlike gohan/goku/goten who all pretty much have the same attitude all the friggin time (static).

You drunk? No way, maybe the Vegeta during the Namek saga. After that: nope. Goten is worthless so I'll give you that one. But Gohan/Goku the same attitude all the time? And Vegeta is the dynamic one? Ha!

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

You drunk? No way, maybe the Vegeta during the Namek saga. After that: nope. Goten is worthless so I'll give you that one. But Gohan/Goku the same attitude all the time? And Vegeta is the dynamic one? Ha!

 

[Skii]

If you put your hand on your hip with your palm outward your thumb would point up, not down.

Ah, you're right. I had to actually do the action myself to realise that haha.

 

[shadowsdarknes]

You drunk? No way, maybe the Vegeta during the Namek saga. After that: nope. Goten is worthless so I'll give you that one. But Gohan/Goku the same attitude all the time? And Vegeta is the dynamic one? Ha!

Does Vegeta clapping Freeza in Super count as trolling?

 

[Russ T]

You drunk? No way, maybe the Vegeta during the Namek saga. After that: nope. Goten is worthless so I'll give you that one. But Gohan/Goku the same attitude all the time? And Vegeta is the dynamic one? Ha!

In Super? Absolutely, Vegeta is the least one-note character out of everyone in the entire show.

 

[Lord Virgin]

Does Vegeta clapping Freeza in Super count as trolling?

Kinda, went on for too long. 4/10

In Super? Absolutely, Vegeta is the least one-note character out of everyone in the entire show.

I thought we were talking about all the series? And even if it's Super only: no. Dude's attitude and facial expression is pretty much the same 90% of the time. I did find him more fun in the last episode. Other than that:

Spoiler

I fucking hate Vegeta.

 

[Russ T]

Yes even if it's in Super only, he's the deepest character in Dragon Ball.

Which, admittedly, isn't saying much. The series seems to take pride in how shallow its characters are. See: Goku, Gohan, etc. But Vegeta shows an ability to be funny, to be caring, to be cautious, to be subservient. All this in addition to his generally angry nature, and even that has been reduced SIGNIFICANTLY in Super. Now he's just impatient and easily frustrated, rather than grr kakarott KAKAROTT KAKAROTT.

Who else in DB has that range?

No one.

 

[BBQMan]

Its true.. he hasn't done much other than being fusion fodder. Same goes for young Trunks though.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Its true.. he hasn't done much other than being fusion fodder. Same goes for young Trunks though.

Neither has the nerd

 

[BBQMan]

Neither has the nerd

The nerd killed Cell and twice out classed Goku so I have no idea what you are on about. Goten and Trunks have done neither of that fusion or by themselves.

 

[Dahbomb]

Yes even if it's in Super only, he's the deepest character in Dragon Ball.

Which, admittedly, isn't saying much. The series seems to take pride in how shallow its characters are. See: Goku, Gohan, etc. But Vegeta shows an ability to be funny, to be caring, to be cautious, to be subservient. All this in addition to his generally angry nature, and even that has been reduced SIGNIFICANTLY in Super. Now he's just impatient and easily frustrated, rather than grr kakarott KAKAROTT KAKAROTT.

Who else in DB has that range?

No one.

Probably Piccolo. One of the few characters to actually have gone through legit character development in the series.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

The nerd killed Cell and twice out classed Goku so I have no idea what you are on about. Goten and Trunks have done neither of that fusion or by themselves.

O if we're talking whole series than fine sure enough. Recently no.

 

[BBQMan]

O if we're talking whole series than fine sure enough. Recently no.

Well you quoted something talking about the whole series. And no one from the old cast will do anything worthwhile in the new series.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Well you quoted something talking about the whole series. And no one from the old cast will do anything worthwhile in the new series.

Which is really a bad thing and a waste of characters.

 

[BBQMan]

Which is really a bad thing and a waste of characters.

Yep I agree, however they have to make new characters relevant and with episodes being so small its hard to give everyone the spotlight. Same thing happened from DB to DBZ bunch of characters went straight to being irrelevant.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Yep I agree, however they have to make new characters relevant and with episodes being so small its hard to give everyone the spotlight. Same thing happened from DB to DBZ bunch of characters went straight to being irrelevant.

It be cool if every new enemy they meet from here on isn't automatically god level. Like have some lesser guys be enemies as well so piccolo,krillin,goten,trunks at least can get some fights

 

[NeonZ]

Well you quoted something talking about the whole series. And no one from the old cast will do anything worthwhile in the new series.

I really don't think that'll be the case. BoGs and RoF were movies, so they had to limit cast involvement. Even as they were, people complain about rushed power ups and such. Super although changing several aspects of those stories, didn't seem to actually touch important things.

At the very least, I think we'll see Piccolo and Gohan being more relevant in the future than they were in these first two arcs.

 

[BBQMan]

I really don't think that'll be the case. BoGs and RoF were movies, so they had to limit cast involvement. Even as they were, people complain about rushed power ups and such. Super although changing several aspects of those stories, didn't seem to actually touch important things.

At the very least, I think we'll see Piccolo and Gohan being more relevant in the future than they were in these first two arcs.

The issue in old cast relevence is that the only one that we know that actively trains is Piccolo(I guess Tien as well but he is never coming back). Now we are going into new Universe shit we are bound to get additions.

 

[NeonZ]

The issue in old cast relevence is that the only one that we know that actively trains is Piccolo(I guess Tien as well but he is never coming back). Now we are going into new Universe shit we are bound to get additions.

Well, Gohan apparently has finally realized that he needs to train before a new villain pops up, if he wants to protect anyone. Regarding Piccolo, this tournament is pretty much his final chance. If he somehow isn't relevant there then he probably never will.

 

[Urban Scholar]

Well, Gohan apparently has finally realized that he needs to train before a new villain pops up, if he wants to protect anyone. Regarding Piccolo, this tournament is pretty much his final chance. If he somehow isn't relevant there then he probably never will.

Really? Well now, I'm interested.

 

[Docpan]

Super is so weaksuace so far. Felt like a shitload of filler from day one with weak animation and ho-hum action.

Lacks the intensity of Dragonball/Z, from the choreography to the score itself. Has this become so far watered down that it needs to feel like the pacing/intensity of a Digimon or something?

 

[Zalman]

I think Piccolo is going to do well in the tournament.

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I'm liking the fact that Goku is the first one to fight because it likely means he will lose early on. It's the perfect chance to give the other three (four?) some spotlight.

Super is so weaksuace so far. Felt like a shitload of filler from day one with weak animation and ho-hum action.

Lacks the intensity of Dragonball/Z, from the choreography to the score itself. Has this become so far watered down that it needs to feel like the pacing/intensity of a Digimon or something?

The first two arcs were written as movies with not much room for deep stories. This is where the real series starts as far as I'm concerned.

 

[BBQMan]

Well, Gohan apparently has finally realized that he needs to train before a new villain pops up, if he wants to protect anyone. Regarding Piccolo, this tournament is pretty much his final chance. If he somehow isn't relevant there then he probably never will.

So far he has expressed interest, whether he actually does is another step but I'm not hyped til then.

 

[Zalman]

Manga spoilers:

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Man, I reaally hope they get to visit planet Salad. It would be cool to see Goku and Vegeta meet other Saiyans. This series has so much potential.

 

[Russ T]

Probably Piccolo. One of the few characters to actually have gone through legit character development in the series.

That's a fair point, actually. You are right; he's had a really solid character arc. There's a reason he and Vegeta are my two favorite characters! After Krillin, anyway. But Krillin is dead in the water, at this point. ):

 

[Docpan]

I think Piccolo is going to do well in the tournament.

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I'm liking the fact that Goku is the first one to fight because it likely means he will lose early on. It's the perfect chance to give the other three (four?) some spotlight.

The first two arcs were written as movies with not much room for deep stories. This is where the real series starts as far as I'm concerned.

Yeah but the problem is the directing of the show. DB has never been known for the best writing. I mean, just go back and look at the scenes such as when Goku saves Tenshinhan from Daimao killing him. Or, when Goku shows up to face Nappa. That's quality directing, when the score, animation, pacing all add up to classic cinematic tension

This show reminds me of cheaply made Happy Meal toys that are just cookie cutter pumpouts. Who storyboards this shit? Theres NO tension whatsoever. Even the sound effects are a step back from a show that premiered before I was born.

Ok, hd animation takes longer to produce in quality. I get that. But the quality of writing during the two acts of each episode? I gotta be honest, it fucking fell apart completely and never rebounded after episode 3 or 4. Some of the episodes with Beerus fight filler were atrocious, which really says something because Battle of Gods was one of the greatest DB films ever (in spite of the silly God transformation they pulled out og their ass).

Go back to fucking basics of how to produce and write a television show, man. When a 22 minute episode of little Gohan hanging out in a cave with a robot is better than the entirety of episodes of Super so far, then you know there's a serious problem. The anime industry has been going down the shitter since 2005 onwards....

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Bring future trunks back and have him and Gohan train together. Each eventual reaching SSJB and while being weaker than goku or vegeta they can fuse when things get rough. Would bring relevance to Gohan plus introduce a new character and a neat dynamic.

 

[BBQMan]

Bring future trunks back and have him and Gohan train together. Each eventual reaching SSJB and while being weaker than goku or vegeta they can fuse when things get rough. Would bring relevance to Gohan plus introduce a new character and a neat dynamic.

I'd say chuck current Trunks into the new room of space and time for a while.

 

[Skii]

Bring future trunks back and have him and Gohan train together. Each eventual reaching SSJB and while being weaker than goku or vegeta they can fuse when things get rough. Would bring relevance to Gohan plus introduce a new character and a neat dynamic.

Problem is that it wouldn't make sense. Gohan would have to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta if he was to achieve SSB. It's the nature of his character. So I'm pretty certain he'll never make that transformation. He might get his own unique one if Toei actually go full out with his character development (still holding my breath).

Would be interesting to know if Trunks ever met Buu, Beerus and revived Frieza. He could be dead for all we know. Would greatly enjoy an episode where he comes back to chill with the gang.

 

[guek]

I really appreciated Goku giving Vegeta props for hitting SSJB/God form without needing help from other saiyans. He did it by himself through willpower and rigorous training. That's pretty awesome.

 

[Icyflamez96]

Yes even if it's in Super only, he's the deepest character in Dragon Ball.

Which, admittedly, isn't saying much. The series seems to take pride in how shallow its characters are. See: Goku, Gohan, etc. But Vegeta shows an ability to be funny, to be caring, to be cautious, to be subservient. All this in addition to his generally angry nature, and even that has been reduced SIGNIFICANTLY in Super. Now he's just impatient and easily frustrated, rather than grr kakarott KAKAROTT KAKAROTT.

Who else in DB has that range?

No one.

Whenever I really think about it, it is weird how Vegeta has LOADSSS of development throughout Z, and everyone else has very little. (At least from what I remember)

At least Gohan is getting a little development now, and we've yet to see if Frieza blowing up Earth will actually have an impact on how Goku handles serious situations.

I also think Vegeta and Goku will work together at some point, but idk if that would be real development or they're just pushed back in a corner so hard that they just do it (like with Buu)

 

[BBQMan]

Has it been confirmed if SSG>SSB or vice versa. All I know is that SSB is the result of a Saiyan that has mastered God Ki. But SSG in Super seemed so much more powerful, like Universe wrecking stuff but SSB in Frieza saga was just beat downs with no issues.

 

[BigBadGiantHand]

Problem is that it wouldn't make sense. Gohan would have to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta if he was to achieve SSB. It's the nature of his character. So I'm pretty certain he'll never make that transformation. He might get his own unique one if Toei actually go full out with his character development (still holding my breath).

Would be interesting to know if Trunks ever met Buu, Beerus and revived Frieza. He could be dead for all we know. Would greatly enjoy an episode where he comes back to chill with the gang.

If Toei actually go through with Gohan training story, then he will definitely be the "strongest" again. Like you said, its the nature of the character. However, when it really counts, they're going to have him get over confident and screw up against the big bad so Goku can swoop in and save the day. Again. Cause god forbid someone besides Goku matter.

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Yes, I'm still bitter about the Buu saga and Revival of F (Vegeta)

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Problem is that it wouldn't make sense. Gohan would have to be stronger than Goku and Vegeta if he was to achieve SSB. It's the nature of his character. So I'm pretty certain he'll never make that transformation. He might get his own unique one if Toei actually go full out with his character development (still holding my breath).

Would be interesting to know if Trunks ever met Buu, Beerus and revived Frieza. He could be dead for all we know. Would greatly enjoy an episode where he comes back to chill with the gang.

I liked what they did with the Tapion movie. Gohan was more powerful than Goku and Vegeta, but Goku still beat Hildegarn because he fought more cleverly and came up with the right technique on the spot. Meanwhile the reason Vegeta lost was not because he was weak but because he got screwed spending his energy protecting the Earthlings, something Goku didn't have to do.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Still will forever be some of the greatest development for him till this day.
"I haven't held you once when you were a baby, come here son."

 

[Russ T]

Goten like "oh so that's what a dad's supposed to be like..."

 

[Icyflamez96]

Lmao

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

Goten like "oh so that's what a dad's supposed to be like..."

Lol poor guy im sure gohan hugged him at least lmao

 

[Kagari]

If Toei actually go through with Gohan training story, then he will definitely be the "strongest" again. Like you said, its the nature of the character. However, when it really counts, they're going to have him get over confident and screw up against the big bad so Goku can swoop in and save the day. Again. Cause god forbid someone besides Goku matter.

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Yes, I'm still bitter about the Buu saga and Revival of F (Vegeta)

The changes made to the Super version of RoF give me the impression that Toei is sort of aware of fan reaction these days. Or at least that's what I'd like to think.

As long as Super doesn't end up like GT where everyone BUT Goku is swept under the rug. So far it doesn't seem like that will happen though.

 

[BBQMan]

I liked what they did with the Tapion movie. Gohan was more powerful than Goku and Vegeta, but Goku still beat Hildegarn because he fought more cleverly and came up with the right technique on the spot. Meanwhile the reason Vegeta lost was not because he was weak but because he got screwed spending his energy protecting the Earthlings, something Goku didn't have to do.

I really like Wrath of the Dragon, seems like a movie that would have fit the canon well, like Bojack Unbound. They only made one continuity mistake in it as well with Shenron.

The changes made to the Super version of RoF give me the impression that Toei is sort of aware of fan reaction these days. Or at least that's what I'd like to think.

Yeah Toei is good at ignoring them so far.

 

[Kagari]

I don't know... I mean they added Gotenks in the TV version when he wasn't in the movie against Freeza. I remember a lot of people complaining about the lack of Trunks/Goten after the movie came out.

 

[DiipuSurotu]

Lol poor guy im sure gohan hugged him at least lmao

 

[Lord Virgin]

Goten like "oh so that's what a dad's supposed to be like..."

Be a dick to your kid pretty much his whole life, only showing some form of love when about to commit suicide (after fucking up)? Don't know where this 'Vegeta is a good husband/father' thing comes from. He's mediocre at best. Gohan and Krillin are probably the best.

 

[Blackleg-sanji1]

I don't know... I mean they added Gotenks in the TV version when he wasn't in the movie against Freeza. I remember a lot of people complaining about the lack of Trunks/Goten after the movie came out.

Idk about any one else but my complaints came from the reasoning "its too dangerous"

 

[73V3N]

I hope goten, trunks and videl get killed in the next 10 episodes

 

[NeonZ]

Has it been confirmed if SSG>SSB or vice versa. All I know is that SSB is the result of a Saiyan that has mastered God Ki. But SSG in Super seemed so much more powerful, like Universe wrecking stuff but SSB in Frieza saga was just beat downs with no issues.

In Super, SSB has been stated to be stronger than SSG. Standard SSJ, after Goku absorbed the SSJ God power, was already stated to be on par with SSJ God, and SSJGSS is somewhere above that.

 

[BigBadGiantHand]

I don't remember this scene....

Wish there was more Gohan + Goten interactions. The episodes with them and Videl training for the tournament are fantastic.

As stupid as this sounds, the whole period between the Cell Games and the World Tournament is probably my favorite part of DBZ.