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Such a shame Tearaway didn't sell more. I loved it.
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Dreams opens lower than 1.5k in Japan (Retail only, does not factor early access, policestationx tries to start console war)
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Statue of Limitation
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I give Sony the benefit of the doubt that they know exactly what they were getting in the launch period of Dreams.
Twice they have affirmed there is a ten year plan in place for this game. It doesn’t need to sell millions in the first few months.
MM are a tiny studio in Guilford with like 50 staff. I don’t imagine it’s expensive to run...and they made LittleBigPlanet which is a franchise that has probably paid for the last 7 years of development a thousand times over and more.
The review scores speak for themselves. I suspect MM are aware this could flop, Sony are well aware it could flop...and on the other hand, without hyperbole, it could just as easily go the other way and in 10 years time it could be the new Minecraft and sell hand over fist every month.
In my own opinion Sony should and will be more interested in community engagement and growth rather than sales profits.
Twice they have affirmed there is a ten year plan in place for this game. It doesn’t need to sell millions in the first few months.
MM are a tiny studio in Guilford with like 50 staff. I don’t imagine it’s expensive to run...and they made LittleBigPlanet which is a franchise that has probably paid for the last 7 years of development a thousand times over and more.
The review scores speak for themselves. I suspect MM are aware this could flop, Sony are well aware it could flop...and on the other hand, without hyperbole, it could just as easily go the other way and in 10 years time it could be the new Minecraft and sell hand over fist every month.
In my own opinion Sony should and will be more interested in community engagement and growth rather than sales profits.
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Stiflers Mom
Banned
This.
This doesn't interest me in the slightest.
Also, they should have put the single player campaign into the foreground a good bit more.
There are not that many people who are interested in creating new games, and those people who want free shit just get em on the internet, anyway.
What a super ambitious but stupid idea, in the end.
SurprisedPikachu
Member
I mean, it's not exactly a game, but at the same time it is. It's more like a creation kit for you to .. create your dreams.. it's not exactly something that I think a lot of people in Japan care about.
Fun Fanboy
Banned
Used the dollar sign twice in one post. Well done. Well done!
Stiflers Mom
Banned
And that's why Microsoft bought Double Fine, Ninja Theory and Obsidian...
Also, could say the same about Sony and 3rd person walking simulators.
Afro Republican
Banned
One of the most artificially hyped up pieces of software this gen.
ThatStupidLion
Member
i think it needs a stronger SP offering.
people will make shit if they want, but you need to get them in the door first.
most people dont know they want to make something until they have the game. so if people are turned off initially because it lacks an enticing SP offering then youre not getting those "unknowns" in front of the creation tools.
people will make shit if they want, but you need to get them in the door first.
most people dont know they want to make something until they have the game. so if people are turned off initially because it lacks an enticing SP offering then youre not getting those "unknowns" in front of the creation tools.
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The Mad Draklor
Member
Of all things to rag Sony on, this isn't one of them. Dreams should not be looked at as a typical game as it's more of a creation engine.
Afro Republican
Banned
When they discover a way to make a version that can't be hacked for free using the same software that's worked since Rpg Maker 2003.
Most people who use Rpg Maker (on PC) don't even pay for it and haven't for nearly 20 years. The console versions of it sold to like 5 people. Enterbrain clearly doesn't give a shit because they seem to be supporting the pirates.
Psykodad
Banned
Kinda like Hellblade 2 and most likely the game from The Initiative?
Afro Republican
Banned
Game creation software can only be short-term mainstream successes if it's a restricted, highly accessible builder that allows some customization and social media sharing.
Something that takes time is never going to work, and even for the hardcore only some will care as they prefer creation using a mouse and keyboard on superior hardware.
You basically need a cross between Mega Man Powered Up, and Mario Maker, but make it more accessible, add modern trends to it and put a large focus on sharing via social media.
Something that takes time is never going to work, and even for the hardcore only some will care as they prefer creation using a mouse and keyboard on superior hardware.
You basically need a cross between Mega Man Powered Up, and Mario Maker, but make it more accessible, add modern trends to it and put a large focus on sharing via social media.
Oddvintagechap
Member
I disagree. Those two studios had zero potential. Wipeout? Driveclub was a disappointment critically n commercially. Once this game get online multiplayer and it’s VR mode, it’ll grow. Yoshida went on to say that Sony has high hopes for Dreams: "We have a 10 year vision for Dreams to keep growing with the community," he says. It's allowing creators to wrap their heads around the toolset, collaborate with each other to make cool things, and provide feedback to the development team. This game is essentially in beta for PS4.
Thats wack. I expect there being free "dlc" from other studios.
LostDonkey
Member
Oh wow. That's a disaster.
Kagoshima_Luke
Gold Member
Phil Spencer's official Twitter response:
Tried out Dreams, had a lot of fun with it. Innovation and creativity like this brings up the whole industry. Grats to Media Molecule.
Phil Spencer's actual response:
EverydayBeast
thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
I wouldn't be scared of a bad launch, get a little more time on the market, probably the best creative game we've ever seen.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Don't be so sure.
Evolution and Zipper made games that sold millions of copies and they got axed.
policestationx
Banned
Even in this thread
Some people think it's a game
Some people think it's a tech demo
Some people think it's a game engine
Some people think it's a gimmick
Some people think it's a game maker.
Some people think it's a game
Some people think it's a tech demo
Some people think it's a game engine
Some people think it's a gimmick
Some people think it's a game maker.
megreotsugua
Banned
It makes sense to release it to PC and PS5 and include it in PS Now. Then lower the price to maybe $20.
Media Molecule just needs to come up with paid DLC down the line.
Media Molecule just needs to come up with paid DLC down the line.
Derktron
Banned
Personally I see this growing more on PC than Playstation. This game looks more for PC than PS4.
Derktron
Banned
Story?
policestationx
Banned
Breaking
993 units sold!
993 units sold!
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Are you trying out for a strong definition of troll, openly excited for any possibly sounding negative news about game you care nothing about? Shit, that is dedication.
Urprobablyright
Banned
I look at second hand store game shelves here (Japan), barely anyone ever buys anything but JRPGs, I'm not sure Japan is the place to measure something like this.
Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
Wow, almost as if you were surprised people do not all get marching order / talking points from a platform overlord or a personal fanboy think tank
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policestationx
Banned
Hoping for mods to update the title to give more accurate number.
The 993 number was from Dengeki
The 993 number was from Dengeki
policestationx
Banned
Top 5 best selling games in this gen in Japan.
1. MK8 - Arcade Racing
2. Pokemon SwSh - Jrpg
3. SSBU - Fighting
4. Splatoon 2 - TPS
5. Minecraft - Sanbox Platformer
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
brap
Banned
Microsoft too I guess. No sane person would buy gears fucko pop or halo in this day and age.Sounds familiar to what Sony is capable of
Urprobablyright
Banned
If you'll pardon me, those titles are kind of in line with what i figured, jrpg, fighting, arcade racing,i dunno splatoon but I'm not sure third person shooter is the most accurate communication of what i see in Google screens, Minecraft, i may have been a bit general in saying they only did JRPGs but they haven't exactly gorged themselves on the same kinds of titles as the Western market, if i survey the shop shelves here~
I think i can uphold my main contention that the Japanese market needs not be considered an accurate predictor of Western market trends. I think i remember some Japanese made game that was huge overseas but relatively unpopular in Japan.. may have been MGS though i could be wrong
policestationx
Banned
Japan is second only to US in hardware sales.
policestationx
Banned
MGS is huge in Japan too.
Perhaps Zelda BOTW?
1.7M in Japan
16.3M for overseas
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Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
JealousSounds familiar to what Sony is capable of
?Panajev2001a
GAF's Pleasant Genius
I think the title is fine as is personally
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Alx
Member
Project Spark tried that model at one time, but dropped it quickly so I don't think it really works. You probably need as many players as possible to keep the community alive, and charging to play won't help.
Getting the revenue from creators seem harsh but at least you know that's where some of the "whales" are, and it can be a way to weed out basic and worthless creations. But on the other hand creators will quickly complain that they're doing all the hard work and still have to pay on top of it.
I'm not sure there's a truly perfect solution to that, it just remembers people that creating software is a business and not a game.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
If it was true about Microsoft, then more would have bought Xbox One, Halo 5 and Gears of War 5. Yet here Microsoft is, with 1/4 less sold consoles than PlayStation 4. I don't see the connection.
Over what? That I don't shit gold?Jealous
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Vawn
Banned
It's almost like more people play Nintendo and Sony games because they're better games.
Nah, that can't be it. It must be a conspiracy.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Please read all the quotation before replying.
Ar¢tos
Member
Dumpster fires don't sell 9 million + copies...
policestationx
Banned
I wonder what kind of project MM will do next after 2 recent flops, Tearaway and Dreams.
Afro Republican
Banned
Lol?
| System | Title | FW | LTD | Publisher | Release Date |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| PS2 | Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty [All Versions] | 456.747 | 1.141.289 | Konami | 29/11/2001 |
| PS2 | Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater [All Versions] | 487.156 | 1.129.926 | Konami | 16/12/2004 |
| PS3 | Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots [All Versions] | 476.334 | 998.429 | Konami | 12/06/2008 |
| PSP | Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker [All Versions] | 446.133 | 958.461 | Konami | 29/04/2010 |
| PSP | Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops [All Versions] | 138.632 | 926.685 | Konami | 21/12/2006 |
| PS1 | Metal Gear Solid [All Versions] | 316.833 | 853.019 | Konami | 03/09/1998 |
| PS3 | Metal Gear Rising: Revengeance [All Versions] | 335.791 | 482.667 | Konami | 21/02/2013 |
| PS4 | Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain [All Versions] | 315.288 | 448.554 | Konami | 02/09/2015 |
| PSP | Metal Gear Solid: Portable Ops Plus [All Versions] | 88.940 | 394.345 | Konami | 20/09/2007 |
| PS3 | Metal Gear Solid: Peace Walker HD Edition [All Versions] | 38.378 | 283.886 | Konami | 10/11/2011 |
| PS2 | Metal Gear Solid 2: Substance [All Versions] | 64.867 | 195.554 | Konami | 19/12/2002 |
| PS4 | Metal Gear Solid V: Ground Zeroes [All Versions] | 100.278 | 151.860 | Konami | 20/03/2014 |
| PS3 | Metal Gear Solid HD Collection [All Versions] | 58.864 | 150.745 | Konami | 23/11/2011 |
| PS1 | Metal Gear Solid: Integral [All Versions] | 40.032 | 141.795 | Konami | 24/06/1999 |
| PSP | Metal Gear Ac!d | 24.149 | 118.553 | Konami |
Keep in minds this includes several of the games having multiple versions and GH releases included that actually makes this look worse than it actually is, while Zelda at the very least is able to sell with a single SKU.
Not huge, but I'd say MGS is decent in Japan if you exclude all he releases fluffing up the numbers.
policestationx
Banned
So what Japanese game sold poorly in home country and sold gang buster at overseas that he meant then?
Afro Republican
Banned
manfestival
Member
review scores =/ sales