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DriveClub (Evolution Studios/PS4) announcement trailer. [PS3 WHEELS ARE SUPPORTED]
- Thread starter SolidSnakex
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I'm glad Gamescom is around the corner.
Metalmurphy
Member
I'm sorry but I just can't take anyone who says something like this, or that what we saw was vastly different from the reveal, seriously. I mean, you have to be REALLY clueless to say something like that.
Sure the setting/track/time of day might not be as appealing to you, that's fine, but tech wise? It's the exact same thing. The only thing that "might" be different is slightly better IQ. It was all quite clearly game assets running in-engine.
Reminder:
http://media.edge-online.com/wp-content/uploads/edgeonline/2013/02/photo-11.jpg
http://www.theaveragegamer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Driveclub_E32013InCar.jpg
SniperHunter
Banned
Because the oppositions flag ship racer Forza 5, looks a whole lot better than DC. If Sony wants people to buy a PS4 over Xboned, they need to trounce Forza 5 in the graphics department.
I don't know about lighting quality too much, I play a lot of PS3 and PC games and IMO most of the Sony exclusives look just as great even though they use "baked" lighting. I guess they wanted dynamic day and night cycles....
Metalmurphy
Member
Dunno about you, not everyone is a fan of flat lighting and eye damaging bloom. So yeah, I disagree, I think DC runs circles around Forza. At half the framerate, you kind of expect that anyway.
Wait until we see direct footage from both.
SolidSnakex
Member
Have you played GT5? Compare Nurburgring 24h to the courses that have baked lighting. There's a huge difference in lighting quality. That's why DRIVECLUB is making the right decision by going real time.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
To me, it's not even about "right decision", as far as I'm concerned, for racing games here on out, it's the "only" decision. As people have mentioned, the fact that Forza 5 only really upped the resolution and poly count is absurd.
SniperHunter
Banned
I hope the final game looks like this
nice dof on hands, probably using subtle dof in the foreground
I hope they are able to implement high quality motion blur and dof into the gameplay. Because without those, the game looks very plain. I though the motion blur and dof were the best this game had going for it.
Are weather effects in or out?
This type of enhancements are more notable while actually playing the game so I expect a lot of people changing their minds about DC after playing it unless the driving mechanics or AI are gimped. I'm glad Sony decided for this title to have a PS+ version way more people will try it and give it a chance.
Wow, apart from different lighting scenarios, they're identical. And that was 35%?
No way!
By the way, thanks for those pictures, it put my hype levels for this game back into the sky.
I just want to kill this graphics nonsense so we can start discussing the actual game. Then again, I'm sure the DC/Forza screenshot wars will extend well into the launch period.
Pretty much. Evo's track record of creating amazing looking racing games clearly isn't enough for some people.
The IQ was actually fine in the E3 demo, it just lacked finer details, especially on distant textures. Like the mountains in the background and the sea, just didn't look that detailed which is strange given that Motorstorm looks amaze on that front. Then again, 35% complete...
SniperHunter
Banned
No, but this sounds intriguing. I need to check it out!
An example of what dynamic night to day transitions can bring. Watch all the way through.
This is the gold standard as far as I'm concerned.
GT5 Nurbergring - Day to Night to Day | 24hr condensed edit
SniperHunter
Banned
The IQ was actually fine in the E3 demo, it just lacked finer details, especially on distant textures. Like the mountains in the background and the sea, just didn't look that detailed which is strange given that Motorstorm looks amaze on that front. Then again, 35% complete...
game looks good and is fun to play! I like it a lot!
yea I have seen it before, looks incredible! Hope driveclub's lighting is just as good!
I hope the final game looks like this
nice dof on hands, probably using subtle dof in the foreground
I hope they are able to implement high quality motion blur and dof into the gameplay. Because without those, the game looks very plain. I though the motion blur and dof were the best this game had going for it.
Are weather effects in or out?
I agree about the motion blur and DoF. I want that level of both in all next gen games. ALL OF THEM.
Metalmurphy
Member
And you praise Forza 5? rolleyes...
That DoF might just be a simple blur at fast speeds like we've seen in many games. I'm sure the game looks exactly like that first gif,
the bottom ones, it's why I want direct feed replay footage.
Out.
SniperHunter
Banned
yea, those two are the best fucking post processing effects of all time! DO WANT IN ALL GAMES!
lame
SniperHunter
Banned
Dammit what
I thought weather was in. Well, maybe for DriveClub2. Least there's dynamic lighting and night/day transitions. But that is a shame.
yea I guess it would be difficult to make such a jam packed racer. Weather effects are beautiful to look at, but I guess the physics simulation must take a lot of time and since this a launch title....
ChronotriggerJM
Member
Last I'd heard, weather effects were "out" for launch, to be added in later. Maybe DLC?
SolidSnakex
Member
Dammit what
I thought weather was in. Well, maybe for DriveClub2. Least there's dynamic lighting and night/day transitions. But that is a shame.
They've indicated that it's something that could be patched in at a later time. That doesn't mean it will be, but they've said that the game we're playing at launch won't be the game that we're playing a year from then.
HueyFreeman
Banned
I agree we should wait for DF footage, but I don't blame people for being disappointed in what was shown at e3. You can call off screen, but even people who were there said it was underwhelming. Evo/Sony can call 35 % till they're blue in the face, it doesn't change the fact that they showed the game too early and it was underwhelming.
That said, I'm taking evos relative silence on the issue as a good sign. Head down, crunch time. We wanna see the gifs we were initially shown, esp if we're getting a 30 frame rate (which lets be honest, is the most likely scenario)
That said, I'm taking evos relative silence on the issue as a good sign. Head down, crunch time. We wanna see the gifs we were initially shown, esp if we're getting a 30 frame rate (which lets be honest, is the most likely scenario)
I agree. I'm also someone who is very sensitive to shifts in motion resolution so they're extra effective for me, especially motion blur. It's also why my 60Hz LCD drives me nuts.
Dammit what
I thought weather was in. Well, maybe for DriveClub2. Least there's dynamic lighting and night/day transitions. But that is a shame.
It sounds like weather may be patched in or be present in DLC.
That's cool. Possibly something they've already experimented with or tested then. Would love to race around the Indian Himalayan mountains during a Monsoon for example. Would be absolutely bonkers.
As of now they are out,I don't think they've confirmed that weather effects will be added in later.
Metalmurphy
Member
Dammit what
I thought weather was in. Well, maybe for DriveClub2. Least there's dynamic lighting and night/day transitions. But that is a shame.
Think they said they were working on it but it probably won't make it in time for launch.
Not confirmed, but it was hinted.
""This is actually a question that comes up quite a bit," said Evolution in an interview featuring Paul Rustchynsky, Alex Perkins and Col Rodgers. "Obviously, what we're currently focussed on is getting the game perfect and building a community around it first, but if there is a call for weather effects, nothing is currently off the cards at this point.""
I don't think this can be repeated enough: The E3 build was 35% complete, and every piece of footage for it was taken off-screen. Considering the visual improvements the Motorstorm games made from their initial gameplay reveals to the release of the game (this was particularly true for the first game), I really wouldn't write the game's visuals off yet, especially when we haven't actually seen any proper in-game direct feed yet.
velociraptor
Junior Member
The top one looks much better.
Ditto. The DOF and motion blur effects actually transform this average looking game to a very good looking one.
If they can add in weather even via DLC my GoTY purchase will be even more worth it.
SniperHunter
Banned
yea you are right, but why show such a poor build?
Anyway when they say no weather effects, does that mean no fog either? The vistas in this game look stunning, it would be amazing to drive through a foggy mountainous valley with dynamic tod....
that would be totally next gen.
Thirding the DOF effects. They just add that visual touch of class. Maybe only add them in during extreme acceleration or at high speeds or something, similar to NFS Shift.
Dayum.
SniperHunter
Banned
velociraptor
Junior Member
It's only weather - no big deal. I personally think the 24 hour TOD cycles are more important.they need to delay this game and add that stuff
they need to delay this game and add that stuff
Would not surprise me if they already had that in. See my thread here, including the titbits about seasons.
The Guardian | DriveClub and PS4: setting the look and feel of next-gen driving games
Driving through a foggy mountainous valley with rain,thunder effects and trees swaying,set during the early morning......man that would be cool.they need to delay this game and add that stuff
they need to delay this game and add that stuff
No.
I actually don't know - maybe it was easier and quicker for them to create a demo using an older build instead of wasting dev time making a polished one
(I really don't know if it works like that)
And yeah, that sound pretty cool! I actually quite like foggy weather in a lot of games, adds a certain sense of atmosphere to the world.
SniperHunter
Banned
sounds fantastic! Dynamic clouds and ground shadows! I absolutely love that effect. what a great article
But that's just one very specific case. There are still many other reasons why someone might pick a PS4 over an Xbox One despite the perceived difference in fidelity between two racing games. Price, for example, may be a very compelling reason for someone to pick one platform over another. Bottom line, Sony doesn't need to trounce Forza 5 in the graphics department to convince people to buy a PS4.
ChronotriggerJM
Member
I can't help but feel like Evolution is once again trolling everyone. How many times have they been through this rodeo? Every single one of their games is doubted before release lol.
Metalmurphy
Member
Haha... where does it look much better?
The top one looks smooth while the bottom one looks rough, the bottom is probably a bad quality off screen cap.
Metalmurphy
Member
Both are screencaps of videos, incredibly compressed, and upscaled. Yet one is from direct feed and other is offcam, also one is more vibrant, and sharper, and it ain't the top one, and the other one blurry and muted.
But is the texturing better? Nope. Is the polycount better? Nope? Is the lighting better? Nope. Is the AA better? Hard to tell, but doesn't seem like it.