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[imthemaid]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who either cringed or lol'ed at that part.

why did you cringe or lol at that part?

 

[Annoying Old Party Man]

The contrary of what? That I think their marketing surrounding the DSi is ridiculous, and that I think they should've replaced the DSLite with the DSi for the same price instead of keeping them both but one at an even higher price? How are the people who had the DSi in their hands going to prove me wrong about something like that?

And actually, I am interested in the device. I just had some remarks because the videos are ridiculous imho and don't focus on the important stuff + the price is too high at this point. If a device or game doesn't interest me, I don't enter the thread in the first place. But actually, I am going to leave this thread, cause with posts like yours, I figure it won't take long before someone calls me a troll.

The marketing is ridiculous? Do you have a CLUE of what you are talking about? This trailer is ingenious and creates the sense of DSi being a really intelligent and full of unique features system. That it doesn't apply to you means nothing, it is made with the general customer in mind.

I have to say, though the ad is amazing, it is SO dissapointing that the camera is so weak. So, so dissapointing.

 

[imthemaid]

ya

 

[blu]

finally saw the noe commercial this morning. very well made, though i personally could hardly relate to anything they showed there, except for one thing:

stop trolling the camera, people. it's not for trolling.
/speaking from a hobby photographer pov

the augmented reality/eyetoy games in there were more than redeeming for such a piece of equipment. apparently the bumped specs will be used for good right out of the box. there's your dsi-specs-utilizing software right there.

 

[NintendoGal]

why did you cringe or lol at that part?

You seriously have to ask? Who would use their DSi as a digital picture frame? Cmon..

 

[DXB-KNIGHT]

Done:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LTgOqufvKc
NoE's video is much better[/QUOTEone

Wow great and very informative. I think this ad suits everybody, unlike the Amazon one. It looks like NOA will even start loosing the so called casuals too.

 

[imthemaid]

You seriously have to ask? Who would use their DSi as a digital picture frame? Cmon..

you would.

 

[Annoying Old Party Man]

finally saw the noe commercial this morning. very well made, though i personally could hardly relate to anything they showed there, except for one thing:

stop trolling the camera, people. it's not for trolling.
/speaking from a hobby photographer pov

the augmented reality/eyetoy games in there were more than redeeming for such a piece of equipment. apparently the bumped specs will be used for good right out of the box. there's your dsi-specs-utilizing software right there.

I understand where you are coming from and the features are great. But since they are making the photography/camera use such a big deal for the new model (and it is), it still remains dissapointing that noone will be able to use the dsi to take some street photography. I don't carry around a camera with me but i do carry portable machines i like to take pictures. A 3mp camera found in an average cell phone can do wonders when you want to do some street photography (not amateur street photography), from 2mp and below it's not enough, not to talk about the 0.8 of the DSi.

And i repeat, the camera is one of the big features of the new model, so it's dissapointing that beyond the software, it is of such a low quality.

 

[BikoBiko]

That NoE trailer was really good, I think it's day one for me now. Also, here's a list of the DSiWare they showed:

Art Style: AQUARIO
Art Style: DECODE
Dr. Mario
Paper Airplane
Pyoro/Birds and Beans (from WarioWare, Inc.)
Moving Notepad
Nintendo DSi Browser
Utsusu Made in Wario

Pretty good if that's the launch lineup.

 

[zigg]

A 3mp camera found in an average cell phone can do wonders when you want to do some street photography (not amateur street photography), from 2mp and below it's not enough, not to talk about the 0.8 of the DSi.

Then buy an average cell phone.

Really, this is like complaining the Eyetoy can't be used to take your family photographs.

 

[straydog1980]

I haven't owned a DS since my original phat was stolen in 2006

I'm jumping back in with the DSi, just made my pre order on Amazon for the black one!!!

 

[Gamecocks625]

Just read on CAG that starting next week, you can get an extra $25 in credit at Gamestop when you trade in your DS Lite (and other hardware of course). Currently the trade in value is $50 so that would make it.....wait for it.....$75.

DSi for $95. Not a bad deal.

 

[blu]

I understand where you are coming from and the features are great. But since they are making the photography/camera use such a big deal for the new model (and it is), it still remains dissapointing that noone will be able to use the dsi to take some street photography. I don't carry around a camera with me but i do carry portable machines i like to take pictures. A 3mp camera found in an average cell phone can do wonders when you want to do some street photography (not amateur street photography), from 2mp and below it's not enough, not to talk about the 0.8 of the DSi.

i beg to differ there. for street photography i carry around a portable camera - fits in the tiniest compartment of my backpak. and wipes the floor with my 3G phone (two cameras, better one is 3.2MP), which is good only for documentary shots. naturally, when i'm doing premeditated shots i lug along my SLR. occasionally a tripod.

and yes, i always have with me a ds (phat), a psp and an ipod touch ("backpacking" FTW) but none of those are photography tools.

 

[Deleted member 22576]

Just read on CAG that starting next week, you can get an extra $25 in credit at Gamestop when you trade in your DS Lite (and other hardware of course). Currently the trade in value is $50 so that would make it.....wait for it.....$75.

DSi for $95. Not a bad deal.

Damn....
A few weeks without a DS though.... :[

 

[Stink]

I was just thinking, it wouldn't be that difficult to implement a 'software' access point internally to bridge in-game WEP to the real WPA connection.

 

[Gamecocks625]

Damn....
A few weeks without a DS though.... :[

Yeah. I can live without a system for 6 weeks, I think. Considering I've had my Lite for over two years, to get $75 for it in trade-in credit is incredible.

 

[Gamecocks625]

Has this been posted yet?

Iwata Asks (and laughs) on the US Nintendo DSi site:

http://www.nintendodsi.com/iwataasks/vol1_page1.html

 

[JKBii]

Has this been posted yet?

Iwata Asks (and laughs) on the US Nintendo DSi site:

http://www.nintendodsi.com/iwataasks/vol1_page1.html

Is there a stockpile of these I can just read through for all products?

 

[Mardak]

I've had my Lite for over two years, to get $75 for it in trade-in credit is incredible.

You could buy 3-4 games with that amount of money. Do you have 3-4 games that have single cart multiplayer? Could you and someone else get $75 worth of fun from playing multiplayer? Do you have any friends or family to play games with?

 

[Neo C.]

Has this been posted yet?

Iwata Asks (and laughs) on the US Nintendo DSi site:

http://www.nintendodsi.com/iwataasks/vol1_page1.html

Interesting as always. Thank you.

 

[Ermac]

Holy crap at that NoE video. Do people really only wear white clothes in Europe?

 

[Regulus Tera]

Has this been posted yet?

Iwata Asks (and laughs) on the US Nintendo DSi site:

http://www.nintendodsi.com/iwataasks/vol1_page1.html

There go my plans to do anything productive this morning.

 

[Mardak]

http://www.nintendodsi.com/iwataasks/vol1_page1.html

They didn't start until December 2006? Slackers! The DS Lite probably finished design by end of 2005 and just spent time manufacturing for the launch early 2006.

They talked about having 2 game slots increasing the system size... but don't they now have a game slot and a SD card slot?

Interesting discussion about keeping it the same but adding more. Speaker design, screen size, thickness...

 

[brain_stew]

It's a sizable spec bump, so it's not just a DS with other stuff grafted on top of it.

Have the actual specs been confirmed? As they were quite ambiguous when it was announced.

 

[Neo C.]

They talked about having 2 game slots increasing the system size... but don't they now have a game slot and a SD card slot?

Thank god they threw the 2 game slots design in the garbage. Keep the DS thin!

Interesting discussion about keeping it the same but adding more. Speaker design, screen size, thickness...

It's fascinating how small details can change things so much. That's why I love most of these interviews.

 

[AstroLad]

why would they even want two slots?

 

[wsippel]

Have the actual specs been confirmed? As they were quite ambiguous when it was announced.

Nintendo will never confirm anything in that regard. They only talk about user visible features, not the actual hardware.

What we know is that the CPU clockspeed was doubled and that the DSi has four times the RAM compared to a DS/ DSL. According to Bushing, it's pretty much exactly what Nintendo did with the Wii, the system even handles DS compatibility the exact same way, by turning off all new features and underclocking the system when running DS software. That's also the reason the homebrew scene couldn't do a complete analysis yet, to find further changes or improvements - they simply aren't visible/ available in DS mode.

There are no DSi games so far to draw any conclusions from, either. There's only a single DSi game that uses 3d graphics right now as far as I know, and that's an Art Style game with the usual simplistic graphics, so it's hard to tell if the GPU or VRAM was improved for example. I guess not, but we don't know for sure yet.

 

[[Nintex]]

Wow, I didn't now they doubled the CPU clockspeed

 

[Regulus Tera]

why would they even want two slots?

Knowing these guys, probably something to do with Pokémon.

 

[AstroLad]

Knowing these guys, probably something to do with Pokémon.

I thought that was a possibility. Was also afraid they were thinking of a built-in version of the fantastic GBA Game Changer.

 

[swerve]

why would they even want two slots?

You've never wanted to have more than one game in your machine at once?

It was an attempt to reduce the need for external game card holders, etc.

In Japan especially, where the DS serves as a really good kanji dictionary, english tutor, etc... it's often the case that a new game you want to take with you has come out, but you need your DS for something else.

Also, one of the massive draws of the piracy cards is the multiple-installed-games-at-once feature. Moreso than the free games for some people.

DSiWare sort of gets around this by offering key software in smaller versions (brain training, etc). Hopefully they put out a reduced-word dictionary too (just essentials).

But yeah, for me (with around 50 DS games) it's usual that if I go on a trip I take somewhere around 6 games with me - if I'm taking more than one, I might as well take lots. The ability to have two games in at once would likely aid me with my indecision and let me just be happy to have two.

 

[AstroLad]

You've never wanted to have more than one game in your machine at once?

No, I have a nice slim Waterfield case that holds three games in individual easy-to-access slots in the front and all my other DS games (~20) together in the back. I take your point as to the multi-functionality of the DS, but if that's the case two would hardly be enough anyway. And there's always Game Changer DS to look forward to if that's your thing. I think they made the right decision.

 

[swerve]

I think they made the right decision.

I do to, but that doesn't mean I don't understand the thinking behind it. I think it was a good idea to try it out because it'd have been a great addition if it didn't harm the design.

Personally I'd rather all games systems had internal storage and no cards/discs any more. I don't think I'm lazy, I just like the convenience of having all the games I want in one place.

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Thanks for posting the Iwata Asks interview, I'm suppposed to be doing my homework!

Before I begin reading, judging from some of your comments about the increased specs, maybe this is the next Nintendo handheld and not just a premium of the DS Lite. It would fit their business strategy like a glove, it would mean that they're trying to redefine what "next-generation" is. They'll still be able to retain old libraries (and, therefore, still be able to sell evergreen titles like NSMB and MKDS) but also be able to deliver new experiences, all the while keeping development costs to a minimum and the adjustment period for developers almost non-existent. What do you guys think?

*begins reading*

 

[Yes Boss!]

Thanks for posting the Iwata Asks interview, I'm suppposed to be doing my homework!

Before I begin reading, judging from some of your comments about the increased specs, maybe this is the next Nintendo handheld and not just a premium of the DS Lite. It would fit their business strategy like a glove, it would mean that they're trying to redefine what "next-generation" is. They'll still be able to retain old libraries (and, therefore, still be able to sell evergreen titles like NSMB and MKDS) but also be able to deliver new experiences, all the while keeping development costs to a minimum and the adjustment period for developers almost non-existent. What do you guys think?

It is going to take the DS install base to 200 million by adding at least three more years to the platform. Lots in store for the little machine!

 

[TheGrayGhost]

It is going to take the DS install base to 200 million by adding at least three more years to the platform. Lots in store for the little machine!

Yeah, this is a pretty good point that hasn't been talked about before. This new iteration would seem to suggest that Nintendo wants to extend the life of the DS platform, which is great! Although there are a shit-ton of great games already, I still crave more games to make use of the touch-screen as PH did. It was so, so buttery!

 

[wsippel]

Thanks for posting the Iwata Asks interview, I'm suppposed to be doing my homework!

Before I begin reading, judging from some of your comments about the increased specs, maybe this is the next Nintendo handheld and not just a premium of the DS Lite. It would fit their business strategy like a glove, it would mean that they're trying to redefine what "next-generation" is. They'll still be able to retain old libraries (and, therefore, still be able to sell evergreen titles like NSMB and MKDS) but also be able to deliver new experiences, all the while keeping development costs to a minimum and the adjustment period for developers almost non-existent. What do you guys think?

*begins reading*

EDIT: Iwata: Because it’s not an entirely new platform. It’s the third console in the Nintendo DS line.

lol, got shot down so early. Still, I think I'm onto something.

Not really. He's mentioning later that it's also a new console. It's basically a new system that's part of the same family, using the same name, building on the same image, library and mindshare. But it's a new system nevertheless. There will be DSi exclusive software, either via download or sold at retail, and if developers decide to use any DSi specific features in a retail game, be it the camera, WPA, or the additional horsepower, the game simply won't work on a regular DS anymore as far as I understand. It's in no way comparable to the DSL, or even the Gameboy Color - most GBC games still worked on a regular Gameboy, no?

 

[TheGrayGhost]

Iwata: What I remember most with regard to the SD cards is how forcefully Shigeru Miyamoto pushed for them.

I wonder why.

Not really. He's mentioning later that it's also a new console. It's basically a new system that's part of the same family, using the same name, building on the same image, library and mindshare. But it's a new system nevertheless. There will be DSi exclusive software, either via download or sold at retail, and if developers decide to use any DSi specific features in a retail game, be it the camera, WPA, or the additional horsepower, the game simply won't work on a regular DS anymore as far as I understand. It's in no way comparable to the DSL, or even the Gameboy Color - most GBC games still worked on a regular Gameboy, no?

Haven't gotten to that part, maybe I shouldn't have jumped to a conclusion so quickly (*edits-out the edit*). Thanks for me letting, know. I love reading these things.

 

[Christine]

Not really. He's mentioning later that it's also a new console. It's basically a new system that's part of the same family, using the same name, building on the same image, library and mindshare. But it's a new system nevertheless. There will be DSi exclusive software, either via download or sold at retail, and if developers decide to use any DSi specific features in a retail game, be it the camera, WPA, or the additional horsepower, the game simply won't work on a regular DS anymore as far as I understand. It's in no way comparable to the DSL, or even the Gameboy Color - most GBC games still worked on a regular Gameboy, no?

I don't think so. Gameboy Color titles (clear plastic cartridge) outnumber GBC-enhanced Gameboy titles (black or primary colors), IIRC.

 

[wsippel]

I don't think so. Gameboy Color titles (clear plastic cartridge) outnumber GBC-enhanced Gameboy titles (black or primary colors), IIRC.

Thanks, didn't know that. Well, either way, the DSi seems to be the new Gameboy Color, right up to the improvements (2x CPU, 4x RAM, improved networking). Except that there won't be any hybrid games this time as far as we know.

 

[Mardak]

It was an attempt to reduce the need for external game card holders, etc.

I would be so happy if Nintendo allowed transfering DS games to a larger capacity SD card. They could do it through the "DS operating system" and change some values on the original DS card to mark it as "transferred", so you can't use the card until unlocked.

It's such a pain carrying around a bunch of DS games. Even if they're packed nicely, it's easy to open up a case and lose a game because it popped out and you didn't notice.

 

[A Twisty Fluken]

I don't think so. Gameboy Color titles (clear plastic cartridge) outnumber GBC-enhanced Gameboy titles (black or primary colors), IIRC.

That's right, GBC was released as a reaction to developers clamoring for something, ANYTHING more powerful than the GB, so there were plenty of developers that used the additional spec power quite eagerly.

 

[wsippel]

That's right, GBC was released as a reaction to developers clamoring for something, ANYTHING more powerful than the GB, so there were plenty of developers that used the additional spec power quite eagerly.

I'm sure quite a few developers would love a more powerful DS, too. So the DSi really seems to be pretty much the same. Maybe there actually were changes to the GPU and VRAM as well? Especially the current 120k polygons per second limitation hurts. Using all the VRAM for geometry and storing textures in main memory or something like that in DSi mode would be a massive improvement as far as I can tell.

 

[TheChillyAcademic]

I may not want to, but the fact that 358/2 is coming out on the DS necessitates my eventual purchase of this console. Decent price though ^.^

 

[AstroLad]

Personally I'd rather all games systems had internal storage and no cards/discs any more. I don't think I'm lazy, I just like the convenience of having all the games I want in one place.

Agreed in general. I don't really mind memory cards though if you can get huge ones. PSP Store and Wii Ware are steps in the right direction. We have seen hell--UMDs--and we are coming back from it.

 

[Hobbun]

I don't really like the idea that it has no GBA slot, I don't need a slimmer handheld than my Lite.

Although since it has larger screens and DSiWare, I will most likely be buying it. Also, if the rumors are true that it will be making DSi exclusive games.

 

[ThatObviousUser]

Just read on CAG that starting next week, you can get an extra $25 in credit at Gamestop when you trade in your DS Lite (and other hardware of course). Currently the trade in value is $50 so that would make it.....wait for it.....$75.

DSi for $95. Not a bad deal.

I have two DS Lites I'm gonna trade in, would that mean I would only pay $20?

 

[Yixian]

April is too far away so I'm thinking of getting my cousin in Japan to send me one. Will I have any issues using a JP DSi here in the UK?

What do I need to do about voltages?

 

[Allan Holdsworth]

April is too far away so I'm thinking of getting my cousin in Japan to send me one. Will I have any issues using a JP DSi here in the UK?

What do I need to do about voltages?

Buy a stepdown converter (220V->110V)

 

[Yixian]

Buy a stepdown converter (220V->110V)

Why thank you my good man.

EDIT: Hmm, no english menu language on the JP DSi... >_> ... I'd really rather wait for the UK release but, £150 for a the tiny upgrades is such a pathetic price.